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Opeth
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250 posted 12-03-2002 11:21 AM       View Profile for Opeth   Email Opeth   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Opeth

The Bible teaches that God calls many to Him. How will one know if they are being called? The Spirit of God will allow these called indivdiduals to understand the truth of His ways. Those not called will never be able to understand. This is why Christ spoke in parables and even told his apostles, it is not for them to know. God does not call everyone. However, for those He does call, the Bible states that the gate is narrow and the path is wide leading to destruction. Of course, this does not mean that those who are called and have failed are necessarily doomed. No. God is merciful. However, if one responds to the calling, they will have a high place in the Kingdom of God.

As I said before, I am either truly being called by God, or Christianity is bogus. Why? Because after all of my studying, the ways and traditions taught by christianiy, in my mind, are nonsensical and full of contradictions and stupidities. So, if I am not being called, there would have to be, in my mind, no true religion, therefore, I would lean to my agnostic views.

But at times, such as these, it seems through fate that I get "pulled" into these types of discussions where then this knowledge that I have flows through me so easily - clear as a crystal lake on a cold sunny day. So maybe, I am being called and am failing...I am not sure. I will say this...since I am spreading the knowledge that I received (and again, I didn't choose to belief this way, you all may find that hard to believe, but I never chose to believe what I believe), maybe this is what I am called to do. As time goes by, I am sure to find out.

So, as for now, since I know of no church that believes what I believe, and if what I believe is the truth, I will remain scattered from the little flock. I take it one day at a time, and for sure, never will I partake in mainstream christianity, because if I have been called and then partake in traditional christianity, that would surely be my demise.

[This message has been edited by Opeth (12-03-2002 11:26 AM).]

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There is a third alternative, made all the more likely I think from your very failure to recognize it.
Opeth
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252 posted 12-03-2002 12:01 PM       View Profile for Opeth   Email Opeth   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Opeth

Please, enlighten me. What is the third alternative?
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253 posted 12-06-2002 10:08 PM       View Profile for Essorant   Email Essorant   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Essorant's Home Page   View IP for Essorant

Opeth

Are you going to judge Christianity then solely by its literature and church?  
Don't you have a good opinion at all  for it for what its done for the world, ignoring the literature and church?  Hasn't it guided people, given people higher hope and reason?  I'm not of opoinion religion should be more judged by how it seems to show accuracy or not in its literature or even common sense in its mentality, but in the way it shows overall nature and respect to the world.  

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254 posted 12-07-2002 11:23 AM       View Profile for Opeth   Email Opeth   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Opeth

Essorant,

I am debating from a Christian standpoint.

"Are you going to judge Christianity then solely by its literature and church?"

~ I am judging Christianity from its own source, the Bible, which on most occasions, must be taken literally, for if we don't how can we know what was in the minds of the writers?

For example, a verse in the Bible states this: "No man has ascended into heaven..."

A literal interpretation of this verse would be to say that the entire man has not ascended into heaven. Now, we can see how the literal interpretation matches other passages, such as Paul calling those dead, asleep. Logically then, we can conclude that until a ressurection occurs, man is lies dead in a grave in an unconscious state. Of course, this is only two verses. There are plenty more to support this truth. For someone to interpret the mind of the writer and say that the writer meant only the man's body has not ascended would be erroneous and dangerous to do. Because then one is injecting their own opinion into the translation. Mainstream christianity has done just this throughout the ages.
    
"Don't you have a good opinion at all  for it for what its done for the world, ignoring the literature and church?  Hasn't it guided people, given people higher hope and reason?"

~ So has many other religions. Most humans need something to lean on. Most humans cannot find the strength within themselves and need to believe in something or someone. Humans are also social creatures, needing to socialize with others. Organized religion is good for this need too.

"I'm not of opoinion religion should be more judged by how it seems to show accuracy or not in its literature or even common sense in its mentality, but in the way it shows overall nature and respect to the world."

~ I believe many of the old American Indian religions showed much more respect towards nature and the world than Christianity.  

[This message has been edited by Opeth (12-07-2002 11:25 AM).]

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First, let me say, wow! I forgot all about this thread ... over 4 years ago! Ron found that one. Okay, so here we go...

~ Jesus spoke (taught) in parables for a specific reason, and was even questioned so by his own apostles:

Matt. 13:10

"And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?"

~ And Jesus answered the question, clearly:

Matt. 13:11

"He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given."

~ So, why would Jesus NOT give the mysteries of the Kingdom of heaven to the masses? He answers that one too:

Matt. 13:15

"... lest at any time they should see with [their] eyes, and hear with [their] ears, and should understand with [their] heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them."

~ It wasn't there time to know! Lest, he they would see and hear, become converted and would be healed. This is a great passage from the Bible, a passage that shows that God wasn't trying to save the world then, just as He isn't trying to save it now. Now if somone disagrees with that interpretation, then I will continue on with Matt. 13:

[Verse 17]

"For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous [men] have desired to see [those things] which ye see, and have not seen [them]; and to hear [those things] which ye hear, and have not heard [them]."

~ Prophets and righteous people who desired to hear and see what the apostles have seen and heard, but did not, they never did - just as those who, if Jesus at that precise time did not teach in parables, would be able to see and hear.

"Melvin, the best thing you got going for you is your willingness to humiliate yourself."

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