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0 posted 03-15-2002 06:03 PM       View Profile for PoetryIsLife   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for PoetryIsLife

What is poetry? Poetry is life to me.

I find poetry in life.... in the small things, in the large things, in the odd or normal things. My poetry comes from all ends and reachs of life.  

Any thoughts?

~ Titus


I'm dealing with too much.... I'm loosing control.

[This message has been edited by PoetryIsLife (03-15-2002 06:03 PM).]

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For me poetry is oxygen ... it sustains me ... and even better...takes my breath away. Writing gave me a voice for the emotions that had no release, before I wrote, being "mute" for too long was smothering me slowly.
And yes, like Titus said poetry and inspiration are all around us. Poets dont just see the stars and the sunrise, we hear rhyme and verse. There are few moments when I am as content as when writing or reading poetry.
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Maybe Iím just an exception but when I see stars I generally SEE stars, the act of putting those stars in poetic form isnít natural, it only happens after some serious thought and several re-writes.

But then again Iíve always argued that Iím not a real poet so what do I know.

Thanks for the chance to read and reply
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3 posted 03-15-2002 06:37 PM       View Profile for PoetryIsLife   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for PoetryIsLife

How Sweet Janet

Phae... not neccessarily a star becoming a poem, more like anything becoming a poem. Life becomes poetry, for me. In situations, feelings, events, things I see, things I feel, things I do.

~ Titus

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Are you using the term poetry literally or as a descriptive term of a quantitative/qualitative interpretation of the things around you?

Seeing the ípoetryí of a star in sky is one thing, seeing a star and mentally processing or comprehending it in verse form another.

Or are you just saying you write poetry about what you see?
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Oh Phaedrus ... if you dont stop putting down your poetry...I will have to arrange it that you see a few less stars. LOL
I have raved on your poetry....I have a reputation to uphold...you arent gonna say I dont know poetry when I read it are you?  
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6 posted 03-15-2002 06:59 PM       View Profile for Phaedrus   Email Phaedrus   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Phaedrus

Sorry Janet, Iíll try to be a little less modest (but Iím not very good at that either)  

Poetryislife

I just re-read my above post which was written in haste, it sounds a little confrontational and condescending, it wasnít meant to, Iím just a little confused.  

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7 posted 03-15-2002 07:56 PM       View Profile for PoetryIsLife   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for PoetryIsLife

"Or are you just saying you write poetry about what you see?"

What I see, and feel.

~ Titus

I'm dealing with too much.... I'm loosing control.

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LOL...
Ok Phae, I give... modesty becomes you

just to clarify...when I said "poets dont just see stars and sunrises" ...
What I meant was, when a poet sees something that moves them or effects them...they often feel "compelled" to write about it, or find inspiration to do so in moments that a "non writer" wouldnt feel an urge to do so.
A good example would be, each month when there is a full moon...the forum is often full of poems trying to capture what we see and feel in the moon's momentary glory.
Before I wrote ... I just enjoyed looking at the full moon...now, maybe Im just full of it rofl
Now are you good and confused

peace and poetry
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9 posted 03-15-2002 10:20 PM       View Profile for Brad   Email Brad   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Brad

No, life isn't poetry.


Poetry is life.

"Language is the house of Being" -- Heidegger.

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I used to be a poet.
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Denise, you still are a poet...it is just that your hands are full with life...grandgreatkids, you know...

Titus...when I was quite young [your age] I knew I wanted to write...way deepdowntomytoes writing...but...

I felt as if I needed to know more, have experienced more, before I could even HOPE to share that depth from which I felt the stirrings....

I am still feeling those same stirrings, that passion that takes my breath away...

I am still hoping that someday I will have the fortitude enough to reach down, drag it out, let it shine...

I am still aging...and just beginning...

but when I see some of the poets around me, here in these blue pages...I thank God that they allow me stay...so that I might learn, more...that I might read...more...that I may continue to strive, to some day...be a poet...
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But what if it's the other way around?

What if the way you see the sun and stars are already influenced by the poems that have come before you?

In this sense, life doesn't determine poetry, poetry determines life.

Poetry, in this sense, is not a genre of course (not determined by the line break), it is what determines, it is what triggers, the feelings you feel in 'real' life.

I like this approach because it avoids the idea that poetry is derivative of experience and, at the same time, shows that we don't do anything in a vacuum.

We become writers, not magic users.
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"I like this approach because it avoids the idea that poetry is derivative of experience"

Can you explain what you mean by that a bit more in depth Brad?

~ Titus

My motto... always changing, always improving, veiwing life in veiw of eternity.

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14 posted 03-17-2002 01:41 AM       View Profile for Brad   Email Brad   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Brad

When we use the representational model for poetry, we automatically privilege the real life experience over the poem. This puts poetry in a secondary position:

"He didn't just write about life, he lived it."

I think this takes away from poetry in that the reading (still something else that is consistently downplayed in this model) of a poem is an experience, not the mediation of another experience.

This approach means that poetry (widely defined) is the trigger of the experience, of life, for each individual, not merely a representation of life.

Does that help?  
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Brad, i see you've quoted Heidegger. I presume that came from Sein und Zeit....if you know anything about that book could you, for the love of my philosophy class, help me out? It's so dense!!!!
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Get a copy of Heidegger: A Critical Reader and a Cambridge Companion to Heidegger -- this one is quite accessible. These are the ones I use but there's a lot more material out there.

At the very least, you'll discover that Heidegger can be just as frustrating to professional philosophers as he is to the rest of us.

One quick suggestion, I suppose, is to keep the distinction between readiness-to-hand and present-to-hand clear.

And when he says dasein just think, thinking human being. That's not quite accurate but its useful on a first reading.

I'm just beginning to get the whole originary time thing myself. I used to think that originary time and authentic time were the same thing but they're not. Originary time is dasein's framework that sets up pragmatic time (clock time) and authentic time (which I'm still not sure about).

There are some writers that just can't really be digested quickly. Heidegger's one of them. I feel for you, ):
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To touch on something Brad said- when people automatically denote a poem to the mere expression of an experience, it becomes merely another means for catharsis, and it's not just that, it's an art form. Writing a good poem is not easy, and it doesn't have to relate to a real-life experience. A lot of people write in first-person narrative forms about things that have never happened to them, however, if in poem form, without the bookstore section called "fiction" to specify as it would in a novel, people seem to automatically assume it's true to life, that the author live the poem, which isn't always true.

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and you were in the wrong place
at the wrong time." -Ani DiFranco

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18 posted 03-19-2002 12:05 AM       View Profile for PoetryIsLife   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for PoetryIsLife

Hush, so true. I agree completely. Interesting point there...

~ Titus

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19 posted 03-19-2002 12:08 AM       View Profile for PoetryIsLife   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for PoetryIsLife

"I think this takes away from poetry in that the reading... of a poem is an experience, not the mediation of another experience."

Yes, Brad, it did. Thank you.

~ Titus

My motto... always changing, always improving, living life in veiw of eternity.

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Poetry is a fleeting blessing that one should cherise when visisted by the muse, and not morn when no longer blessed thusly.

Yesterday is ash, tomorrow is smoke; only today does the fire burn.
Nil Desperandum, Fata viem invenient

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And JP maintains a third view:

Poetry is magic.

I don't know, I can never figure out what this exactly gives you except that you didn't write the poem that you sign your name to, the muse did.

And it still privileges the writing over the reading.  
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To me, poetry is a vehicle in which I can release/share what I am feeling or what I have experienced on a personal level.
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If poetry is based on personal experience, why is most of my poetry fictional?
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"If poetry is based on personal experience, why is most of my poetry fictional?"


If the above question was directed to me, here is my answer ~

I did not say that poetry, in itself, is based on personal experiences. It is for me, but not necessarily for others, such as yourself, Ms. deVine.
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