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Crash&Burn
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0 posted 03-07-2001 07:32 PM       View Profile for Crash&Burn   Email Crash&Burn   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Crash&Burn

There are people in this world we dare call mad,
yet the truth of this confusing reality
is that these are the only ones who are sane.
They see the world with truthfull eyes
for they cannot lie to themselves
their reality is limited in their own view.
This is why they'll never lie,
never holding back on their urges.
They can hurt others in their reality
and we, who call ourselves healthy of the mind,
the "right" people that should inhabit this world,
decide to encarcelate those we call mad,
on the charge that THEY are hurting others.
Still I believe we must analize ourselves first,
because by our singular use of words
we are able to hurt and destroy
more than one called mad, ever would.




I see the darkness coming all is bleak…
:odor:
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1 posted 03-07-2001 07:49 PM       View Profile for Allan Riverwood   Email Allan Riverwood   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Allan Riverwood

A friend? Aww... *is touched*

Well I think that we should really look at how cruel we are being as a society as of late, as opposed to what the offenders are doing. We don't realize these people are, in some cases, simply ill and in need of help. We call them "mad," and "dangerous," and lock them away. It all goes to show the harshness of society towards people who are different.
It is difficult to accept something that is foreign or strange to us. This is one of the most profound flaws in human nature.
Hope to see more takes on this.
~Allan

Stupidity makes the world go around...and people like us laugh. ~~Elizabeth, to Allan

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2 posted 03-07-2001 07:49 PM       View Profile for Swamp¤Faeryie   Email Swamp¤Faeryie   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Swamp¤Faeryie

Amen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
*see quote*

there is a fine fine line between so called "mad" and genius. sometimes they even merge!!

sammio


much madness is divinest sense,and much sense the starkest madness~Emily Dickinson
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3 posted 03-07-2001 07:50 PM       View Profile for Brad   Email Brad   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Brad

Are you sure you want this in the philosophy forum? Do you want me to transfer this to the Dark forum?

If you want it here, you're going to have to start defining terms.

Truth?
Reality?
"Right"?
They?

And that's just a start.

Brad
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4 posted 03-07-2001 07:58 PM       View Profile for Ina   Email Ina   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Ina

Ahhhhhhh.........I loved it! O wow! this is my dream. Ok....im a quazi anarchist, right. and people call me mad, crazy everything. And your so right, that ppl who think they are "right" and all sorts of garbage like that, well they cause more damage then one "crazy" person, like me does.
This is a definit elibary piece.
Regina
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5 posted 03-07-2001 07:58 PM       View Profile for Crash&Burn   Email Crash&Burn   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Crash&Burn

It's a simple prose writing and defenitions are to be interpreted by each person individually I believe this is what make a world interesting Sammio, if that is your name, I thank you you've come to the realisation of the meaning I wished to portay thanx for posting.


I see the darkness coming all is bleak...



[This message has been edited by Crash&Burn (edited 03-07-2001).]
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6 posted 03-07-2001 08:04 PM       View Profile for Brad   Email Brad   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Brad

Okay, I guess this is what you want.

What is society as opposed to the individual?
Why is a society wrong and the individual misunderstood?
If mad and genius are the same thing, why do we make a distinction?

All three are making huge assumptions here but if you want to discuss this here, I'm willing. I don't think you'll like it though.



Brad
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7 posted 03-07-2001 08:06 PM       View Profile for Dopey Dope   Email Dopey Dope   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Dopey Dope

Nicely done here jorge........My thoughts on this are too elaborate to post....so i'm just gonna give you a pat on the back.



I was born myself, raised myself, and will continue to be myself. The world will just have to adjust.

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I admire it daily
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8 posted 03-07-2001 08:14 PM       View Profile for Brad   Email Brad   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Brad

If everybody can interpret it the way they want, then it doesn't mean anything.

Because it means everything.
Brad
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9 posted 03-07-2001 08:16 PM       View Profile for Brad   Email Brad   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Brad

and fix the spelling.

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10 posted 03-07-2001 08:31 PM       View Profile for Crash&Burn   Email Crash&Burn   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Crash&Burn

well ok Brad I'll take your discussion on I wont be online much longer though but I'll answer your questions.....I am no saying all society is wrong so take heed in your generalization, and if you ask me why is a madman misunderstood all I can tell you is that these we do call mad are unplugged and mostly unaffected by this world we live in yet they still exist and are able to affect parts of society in ways we'll not always understand, since we cannot look and experience directly what this so called individual, comprehesion of his reasons to be violent or quiet or even pshycotic are yet beyond our comprehension. After taking the individual through therapy or other such mindless activities we, society, might get to comprehend just a little of what his intetions or purposes really were. So because society does not understand they classify them as mad also beleived to be beyond comprehension. Now about the being mad or genious this is more or less what I've already explained, you could think of anything but you, having a world around you, will be affected be what surrounds you in your deciscions yet if unplugged from the world with only one stream of thinking you will be able to realize much more because you are unaffected by what surrounds you. We make distinctions because we cannot understand, and we cannot understand we fear, society is not ready for something different because of the attachment to a so called nice and pleasant world of theirs were everything is good and right, because this subject integrates deep into society I wished to post this here I hoped I answered your questions. Oh and as for the spelling English is not my first language and I think you are smart enough to interpret correctly whant I'm trying to say so deal with it.


I see the darkness coming all is bleak...



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11 posted 03-07-2001 08:33 PM       View Profile for Brad   Email Brad   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Brad

Ina,
Please get the terms right (or explain your adjustment). You are, from the comments you've made, most definitely not an anarchist. I might concede nihilist if I thought you understood the historical context of the word.

Dopey,
If your thoughts are too elaborate to post, why say that (wasn't that a thought?)? My guess is that your thoughts are too confused to post. Have you seen the lengths of some of our discussions?

If you pat someone on the back before anything has been said, this is the wrong forum to do it in.

Brad
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12 posted 03-07-2001 08:38 PM       View Profile for Crash&Burn   Email Crash&Burn   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Crash&Burn

*waiting reply*........


I see the darkness coming all is bleak...



[This message has been edited by Crash&Burn (edited 03-07-2001).]
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13 posted 03-07-2001 08:39 PM       View Profile for Dopey Dope   Email Dopey Dope   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Dopey Dope

Thank you for your words of wisdom Brad....maybe crash&burn is a school friend of mine and I REALLY do not feel like typing this long message on what jorge will already know what I'll be saying. I just wanted to acknowledge that I read the post because he asked me to, and I think I have a right to do so.....thanks for reading.

-Mr. Dopey-



I was born myself, raised myself, and will continue to be myself. The world will just have to adjust.

I'm in love with my shadow
I admire it daily
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14 posted 03-07-2001 08:49 PM       View Profile for Brad   Email Brad   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Brad

I'm trying to work while I read this so I understand time problems. Please, don't play this silly emotional game unless you actually mean it. I'll take you seriously but it doesn't end today and it may never end. If you have issues, then let's do it. If you are trying to one-up me or anybody else, do not think for one moment that anything you've said is convincing. If this is an emotional fervor thing, please just post it somewhere else (such things bore me -- and probably many of the (very few) regular posters here. Your comments also show me nothing more than that you are a typical American and that you know nothing besides typical American ideology).

I'll stop the typos thing if you're serious.

Do you want to do this?

Brad
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15 posted 03-07-2001 09:01 PM       View Profile for Crash&Burn   Email Crash&Burn   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Crash&Burn

I know nothing of typical american ideollogy because I'm not american and I haven't begon to explore the world as a full adult so I'm sorry if you find my defense unconvicing but that's all I have and as close to phylosophy as I comprehend because I haven't majored or studied it....I just posted a thought...and wished to hear what people thought of it nothing more so stop trying to analyze a thought so much...becasue that's all it is, oh and by the way I reccomend you see a movie Quills you'd like the character I think he fits you. Well unlike you time is different here and I am getting tired so if this is no to end today becasue you wish to pursue the argument go ahead I'll see if I get around to answer it some day.
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16 posted 03-07-2001 09:04 PM       View Profile for Brad   Email Brad   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Brad

You mention that you're not a native speaker. Fair enough (I can't imagine making as few mistakes as you have, as quickly you have, if I were writing in Korean). Where are you from?

Brad
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17 posted 03-07-2001 09:05 PM       View Profile for Brad   Email Brad   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Brad

Did I say American ideology stops at the border of America? As a non-American, you should know better than that.

Brad
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18 posted 03-07-2001 09:10 PM       View Profile for Crash&Burn   Email Crash&Burn   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Crash&Burn

But you did not say your were talking of the world, you said american and I'm sorry but america is not the world last time I checked. About my English what can I say maybe I spend to much time in sites like these learing or watching to much TV, you tend to catch on quickly if you pay attetion
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19 posted 03-07-2001 09:26 PM       View Profile for Brad   Email Brad   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Brad

I said you sounded like an American (a typical American actually). I did not mention the world (last time I checked you're thoughts didn't involve such a generalization as well). Don't play these games with me. I've been outside my own culture (America --California) for too long. Have you ventured outside yours?

Are you from Puerto Rico? Um, has Puerto Rico seceded and nobody told me?

Brad

PS Are you arguing no American influence in your country?
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20 posted 03-07-2001 10:13 PM       View Profile for Brad   Email Brad   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Brad

Well, this little bout seems to be over.

Crash and Burn,
Was secede the right word? I did some quick research on PR and I'm not sure (Hell, I'm not even sure you're Puerto Rican yet).

Guys (gender nuetral),
Ask questions here if you want. I encourage you to understand what we're doing here. I encourage you to post ideas here. Do not expect to be validated, we want thinkers, not propagandists.

C and B,
You said I should begin the debate. What debate? I don't understand what you mean. If you wish to continue, it's your turn.

If you wish to discuss these things, post them here. If you wish to assert unfounded axioms without repercussion, wrong place guys.

Brad
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21 posted 03-08-2001 12:39 AM       View Profile for Swamp¤Faeryie   Email Swamp¤Faeryie   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Swamp¤Faeryie

ooooh i am astounded at the abrasive atmosphere this post has taken on...geez louise,ever feel that someone is jumping down your throat with their beleifs? ouch this started off pretty harmless if you ask me.phew.
Anyhow c&b some people get it,somepeople don't,i guess you could call that having an opinion.The people labeled as mad or weird are always the ones who know what you mean,but the others...well it's like 2 entirely seperate worlds. I am one of the so-called crazies. I'm not crazy,i'm just open to differnt things,and the experience fascinates me i've read alot about the connections between madness and genius/art and misery. And yes i do feel there is one,a strong strong connection!!And just so i'm not attacked for generalization i should point out i don't beleive all madness is genius,all genius madness,all art from pain,or all pain from art. Is that very clear? i just think there's often times a connection between them. It's phenomenal like god and the devil all inside one person,the ability to comprehend and create great things and the price of being outcast by society or plagued by a mental disability.
Icould go on and on,as i have already in past posts,and i'm sure brad is sick of reading all this "crap",but like i say.....2 worlds.

sam


much madness is divinest sense,and much sense the starkest madness~Emily Dickinson
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22 posted 03-08-2001 01:08 AM       View Profile for Allan Riverwood   Email Allan Riverwood   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Allan Riverwood

Brad-

I don't think the powers of a Moderator allow you insight into one's belief system. Regina made one sentence, and from that you think you can tell her entire set of principles? Well I don't think that anyone has the right to tell someone else who they are. She is quite certain of her terms. All that she ~SAID~ was that she is often labeled incorrectly, or called "Mad," for what she believes. And how can this possibly allow you to assume anything about her?
As for C&B, I'm sure he simply wanted a friendly discussion, and perhaps didn't choose the right forum for it, but that is no reason to treat him so poorly.
Dopey likes people to know when he reads their things. And sometimes it is nice to know who is reading what you post, even if all they say is "I read it. Seems like a good point."
Now three good friends of mine have all been subject to your cruelty here, for no real reason whatsoever. I'd say you owe them an apology, but if I were them I wouldn't waste my time listening to one so instead I'll just say that I won't be returning to YOUR corner of Passions in Poetry for a very long time.
Thank you, I've said my piece. A good, long reply. Hope you enjoyed it, my friend.
~Allan

Stupidity makes the world go around...and people like us laugh. ~~Elizabeth, to Allan

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23 posted 03-08-2001 01:45 AM       View Profile for Brad   Email Brad   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Brad

The "powers" of a Moderator do not allow me to do much of anything. I question much of what you ask (cruelty? I disagree. Are you sure you want to connect the two?).

Again, I will tell you that none of you are truly ready for this forum. I don't believe I have been cruel (unless you believe that cruelty means disagreement). You are afraid of this because you haven't thought about it enough (Oh yeah, that's right, you're teens. I'm supposed to be nice to you. Sorry, the game stops here!!!!). I was a teen and I remember looking for a place like this. A place that isn't going to play with you, that isn't going to tell you nice job or you will understand someday. You begin now. I remember it and what you ask me to do is silly.

If you wish to argue, no problem. If you wish validation -- wrong forum. When I was a teen, this is what I wanted (It's why I know what I do). Perhaps you need to reconsider what you actually mean?

Stop playing games people, and start using your brains.

The buck ends here.

Brad
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24 posted 03-08-2001 01:51 AM       View Profile for Allan Riverwood   Email Allan Riverwood   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Allan Riverwood

I'd like to discuss this with you privately.
Do you have ICQ, AIM, (or does the word "america" scare you too much?) MSN or anything?
Or shall we simply swap emails?
I would really like a private conversation with you, outside of Passions, if you don't mind. Set hostility aside, and as you would have it, speak with our brains.
The buck stops here, but just in the walls of the forum.
~Allan

Stupidity makes the world go around...and people like us laugh. ~~Elizabeth, to Allan

 
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