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fractal007
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0 posted 02-16-2001 07:15 PM       View Profile for fractal007   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for fractal007

My question is simple:

Can listening to music[more specifically, instrumental music] while writing poetry, or for the gaining of ideas for a poem or story, be considered plajurism? Does the music convey some subconscious message which is interpreted the same way by all people?
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I really don't know, but I get a lot of inspiration from music. (Most music that inspires me has no words, so, hmmm...)
Sorry I'm not much help, will come back though to see what others think.

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lol...NO WAY!!!!! Music is just inspiration....inspiration comes from everything,a peice of music,a flower,the sky,a painting,a poem,a person!!But there's nothing fraudulent about that.


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I don't think so. Even when people read poetry (which is through the front door of the senses and not subliminal) they walk away with amazingly different perceptions and interpretations. Even if someone could put subliminal messages into instrumental music I don't think it would have too much affect. Expressions of instrumental music may convey inspiration and imagination, but it differs widely from person to person. How could anyone say that it is plagiarism?
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OK, cool. Thankyou for the replies. Just wanted to make sure because music is one of the major contributions to my writing of poetry. Has there ever been experiments performed in which many people have written something while listening to the same piece of music?
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Concerning your first question, I don't believe that listening to music could be considered plagerism. Music is different from written workds, since in music, the ideas are not definitely pronounced or spelled out, as they would be in a magazine article or something. Along with that, there is a type of poem called an ekphrastic poem that designates poetry that describes and contemplates a work of art. I suppose this could mean paintings, sculptures, and even music.

As for your second question, I don't know, but that would be an interesting experiment. Personally, I don't think that music would affect me very much if I didn't want it to. I mean, that it would not affect a poem I would write. It may impede me from writing, but overall, music is just a nice background for when I want to write. Good question.
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not that i know of,but they have done some tests of a differnt kind. One i heard about was playing mozart while school kids were taking tests in one room,and then in another room playing nothing,and the kids with mozart did WAY WAY better because it stimulated their brains. Interesting no? And also,back when i was like in 6th grade our gifted techer had us listen to classical music selections and draw our feelings during it,and then afterwards we compared our 'art' kind of the same thing you were talking about except a differnt medium of art. It was very interesting,i know do the same thing when my neices come over...lol..i just love picking their brains,and they don't seem to mind,it's really very enlightening!!

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7 posted 03-07-2001 07:58 PM       View Profile for Allan Riverwood   Email Allan Riverwood   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Allan Riverwood

Hell no! I listen to music all the time when writing poetry.
And yes, most of my music is instrumental or industrial/techno, and the most inspirational pieces are without words.
We write poetry in order to express something in ~words~ and this includes music.
By your logic (in this statement), looking out at a landscape and writing a poem would be plagarizing the landscape.
Music induces emotions. Call that a "subconscious message" if you will, my friend, but the truth is that a lot of, if not most poetry is written with the influence of outside forces. It's called inspiration, not plagarism.
Poetry is the talent of putting something to words. If this is music, landscape, emotions, or anything else, it is not plagarism.
Plagarism is, in my mind, the writing of something that was already written.
Sometimes I feel like I am plagarizing my imagination when I write about dreams.
Of course, this is just another topic that I won't bring up.
Well there you have it, my answer.
Oh and if you ever want to try writing a Rengay or something to the same piece of music, just let me know on ICQ. I'd like that.
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I always hear music while writing poetry. Usually I'm hearing the Smashing Pumpkins. Sometimes a lyric of his might spawn an idea that can go a thousand ways and would never in a million years be considered plagarism. I didn't steal his idea and blah, what i did was twist it and use it in accordance to my own ideals/beliefs/life.



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Hm..

It seems I have neglected this thread if people are still replying to it.

This is quite an exciting and fascinating thing. Allan, perhaps someday. However, I often get extremely involved in the music and that might fowl things up as far as us being able to conjure up things alternatingly. But I still think it might be an interesting experiment.

Here is yet another of my wacky ideas. Perhaps music's effect on the brain in general is similar to Persinger's microwave radiation's effect on the temporal lobe. I am not very familiar with neurology, so I might be off the mark here. But perhaps the stimulation causes differing reactions in many, as the microwave radiation does in the subjects of Persinger's experimentations.

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No way hearing to music is not plagerism. Music all it does is stimulate the production of ideas because you are in a relaxed enviornment but you are not copying anything so I see no harm done



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I'd like to ask all of you if I could use this question and bits and pieces of your answers in an upcoming issue of Digital Passions Newsletter? Just reply here, I'm going to bookmark it and will come back to see if you've given me permission. Thanks!
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PDV:

GO ahead.

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I've heard that music can help you learn, centainly helps me with assignments. But yeah I think music inspires you to write just as much as other peoples poetry can.

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As they've all said, listening to music wouldn't be considered plagerism. Sometimes it is necessary to listen to music, it can help get ideas flowing and can even provide a rhythm for your work. As long as you're not copying word for word what's being said and using it to inspire your own thoughts, listening to music is great Sometimes I find it distracting though, and I have to turn it off to think clearly.

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sure pdv
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Frac,

Just one more thing to consider...

One definition of plagiarism is --
"To appropriate passages or ideas from another and use them as one's own"

Instrumental music (to me anyway) has never conveyed concrete ideas, only pure emotion. It is impossible to come away from the hearing of an instrumental piece (unless you're gleaning ideas from the title, or a short exerpt written about the piece) and identify with definitude what it was "saying".

This in a way is the "glory" of music. It is able at times to bypass the intellect and speak directly to the emotions. It would be like trying to copyright cloud formations (saying that Linus, Charlie Brown, and Lucy all must see the same thing) to say that pure music conveys "statements" of any measurable kind.

But poetry is verbal and involves concrete ideas expressed through language. And though poetry may widely vary in interpretation, language is still "palpable" and concrete. Plagiarism by nature involves identifiable ideas and musical notes can never provide that... (except when they are accompanied by lyrics).

Stephen.


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