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Vulcan Poetry

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mark woolard
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0 posted 01-27-2001 04:23 PM       View Profile for mark woolard   Email mark woolard   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for mark woolard

(my heart feels the need to be light as well!)

my brother and i were discussing what Vulcan poetry would be like.  since Vulcans pride themselves on their abilities to supress emotion, would this affect their poetry?  

i imagine Spock (or for that matter, Tuvok) would find much of today's human poetry unnecessarily riddled with "illogical metaphors pretaining to love--an emotion that is highly illogical."

so would their poetry be strictly a mathematical placement of words to paint pictures void of emotion, or would they simply be statements of logic? (Hardcore Trekkies--i ask you forgive me if there actually is a Vulcan poetry form somewhere in the cosmos)

this is all i could come up with:


Precipitation will vary
with the density of clouds;
and my heart remains silent
despite the thunder.

or, if that's not rigid enough:


In the spring
             trees have leaves.
In the winter
             they do not.

anybody else?
Poet deVine
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1 posted 01-27-2001 05:42 PM       View Profile for Poet deVine   Email Poet deVine   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Poet deVine

I think Vulcan poetry would be PERFECT. A poem that fit the form it was written in...but there would be NO feeling!!  (I read with my heart not with my head!)

What is love
but an emotion
having none
I cannot relate
Logic surrenders
to what is just
covering Vulcan
unemotional lust

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2 posted 01-27-2001 07:21 PM       View Profile for MrsRabbit   Email MrsRabbit   Edit/Delete Message     View IP for MrsRabbit

Being a Vulcan means Nothingness.
No emotion = no experience; surely?

If a Vulcan had no emotion, I doubt s/he would even be bothered to write poetry. They would probably just meditate in a cave for years on-end, stretching a mere piece of bread out to last their tummies months, and such-like things.

Even the mechanisms needed to process a mathematic equation requires emotion in humans, because they cannot be automated when it comes to the intellect. Although, I suppose they could practice and practice until this-something became completely fluent, but without emotion, why would they even bother trying to get to that stage?

Most human past-time are rather emotionally-bound and quite illogical. Without the emotion I doubt people would be worrying about the squash-club tournament; they would more likely be flying over the world to help feed third-world kiddies, or something like that, doing the most "Logical" thing they can do with their time.
fractal007
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3 posted 01-27-2001 09:27 PM       View Profile for fractal007   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for fractal007

Man!  I thought people would think I was wierd for putting something up on the Alien films.

Anyhow, I think Vulcan poetry would likely be something similar to the metaphysical poetry.  Perhaps some form of under the surface satire of emotion.  
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4 posted 01-27-2001 11:02 PM       View Profile for Stephanos   Email Stephanos   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Stephanos's Home Page   View IP for Stephanos

Attempting to imagine what kind of poetry Vulcans might wright, I will attempt to go where no man has gone before...


I launched a soaring mission
into farthest bands of distant space,
not looking for anomalies
or planets of eccentric race
that I could study from and learn,
or rogue some high grade fuel to burn.
I'm not the Kirk of "Enterprise",
and neither am I Janeway lost.
But what I seek, desired by me,
I must obtain at any cost.
I've heard galactic rumors
from the milky way to quadrants far,
whispered on the primal Earth
whose grapevines reach the utmost star.
"Those somber pointed eared ones,
Yeah those smartsome rigid weird ones
like that Spock dude on T.V.
are quite adept at poetry."
So ever since my blunt ears heard,
I've been suspended like a bird
that always seeks it's furry pray.
"Real Vulcan Poetry?? NO WAY!"
Yet in my quest I've come across
too many frauds and cheats.
Acrostics by the androids signed "Tuvak"
on scan-lined sheets,
Epics by Cardacians,
And Klingon light verse styles,
Haiku by the Borg, a dime a dozen
through the miles.
I do wonder if I'll ever find this mystic
straight-laced rhyme
for which I've journeyed countless parsecs    
splayed through space and time.
But when I do, I hope I'll not be disappointed sore,
sulkin', reading Vulcan poetry yet wanting more
than that which sage faced "DATA" might appreciate supreme.
And it would stand to logic seeing what was in my recent dream. . .
I saw a warthog slumped inside my head.
(Note how he slumbers.)
For Neelix just can't hang with Vulcan rhymes composed with NUMBERS!!!!
Oooooh Spock,
your poetry doth ROCK!!!!


67484965 83467498767 34957348975934857 598577557 609686
43908758975 509584304968349068 409683469084-2 5098690568
3047489745973450 059
3-458430598345908          <-------(ENJAMBMENT)  or (EARJAMbment?)
                                                                (Not Logical!)
435-0834-509345-09 609860976345790
34059834690834690
3-468936-0834560-34560-93460-9346-09
34580346-08664985689
6985
369834560-4560-456084580-6




[This message has been edited by Stephanos (edited 01-27-2001).]
Gene
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5 posted 01-28-2001 04:13 PM       View Profile for Gene   Email Gene   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Gene's Home Page   View IP for Gene

I wrote this a while back as part of an "Alien Love Trilogy" --three love poems from a Borg, Vulcan, and Klingon. If anyone is interested, you can find the complete trilogy here:   http://piptalk.com/pip/Forum27/HTML/000151.html   --Gene

------

A Vulcan Love Poem  
  

If I had it within me, to show emotion,
My circulatory organ would be full of human-like feelings for you.
For, I do appreciate you.
Your mind is an incredible object to meld with.
It is most illuminating and logical.
I find your appearance extremely satisfying in a most cerebral way:
Your ears; so perfectly acute,
Your eyebrows; so uplifting,
Your hair; each strand, so logically placed,
And you spread your fingers with such accuracy and grace;
Always an exact 46.1378mm between middle and ring-finger.
I do need you in a most physical and intellectual way,
And require your partnership.
Therefore, if you will be my biological, necessary companion,
Together, we shall live long and prosper.
____





[This message has been edited by u_gene (edited 01-28-2001).]
mark woolard
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6 posted 01-30-2001 12:59 PM       View Profile for mark woolard   Email mark woolard   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for mark woolard

hey everyone!  these are great!  

Ms. Devine:  so true.

Mrs. Rabbit:  excellent point!

Frac.:  weird is purely state of mind.

Steph:  followed you till the numerics took over. . .good god, man!

u_gene:  incredible!  have you ever visited vulcan?  this sounds like a field study of a courting ritual! (46.1738!  HA!)

thanks for responding!  and before i leave:

What did spock find in the executive bathroom of the Starship Enterprise?


. . ."captain's log". . .
Brad
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7 posted 01-30-2001 08:35 PM       View Profile for Brad   Email Brad   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Brad

I didn't go and check but I'm pretty sure they do have poetry. I always thought that Vulcans were there to show the folly of pure logic as a way to view the world (and don't forget their mysticism)-- Spock sure smiles a lot. On the other hand, the first five movies show a kind of thematic arc if you will.

One -- logic without feeling (Veeger)
Two, Three, Four -- death and rebirth of Spock (the re-completion and synthesis of logic and feeling)
Five -- feeling without logic (the quest for Eden and Kirk's "If you're God, why do you need a starship?"

In the fifth movie, one of the first scenes involves a Klingon bird of prey shooting a Voyager spacecraft-- everything else falls into place after that.

Okay, maybe I've watched these things one too many times.  

Brad
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8 posted 01-31-2001 10:07 AM       View Profile for Jamie   Email Jamie   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Jamie's Home Page   View IP for Jamie

I would think that Vulcan Poetry would be in the vein of something akin to haiku-- remember the soft melodies Spock used to play on that vulcan musical instrument. ( I am happy to say I don't recall what it's proper name was...lol)

[This message has been edited by Prometheus (edited 01-31-2001).]
Irish Rose
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9 posted 01-31-2001 05:39 PM       View Profile for Irish Rose   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Irish Rose

Oh, this is priceless.  Yes, Vulcan poetry.

It IS illogical....but then so is falling in love!!!!!

It could work!!!

Kathleen


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10 posted 02-01-2001 03:05 PM       View Profile for fractal007   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for fractal007

Here's a little attempt at some Vulcan poetry...





Small
And
Very
Difficult
To destroy, atoms
Float within a primeval void.

Slow
And
Simple
Reactions
Produce the stuff of
Stars and planets and nebulae.

Clouds
Of
Dust start
To come near
To eachother to
Form Vulcan, that logical place.

Life
Starts
To form
On the world,
First in the form of
Simple single-celled life forms.

Then
Life
Begins
To move on
Toward a higher
Nature of conscious mind and thought.

Our
Great
Biped
Vulcan race
Comes to be born, and
Flounders in wars from emotions.

But
Then
Our one
Messiah
Of the Kolinar
Saves us from our final dimise.




Hope you like the Fibbonacci series expressed in the number of syllibles found in each progressive line of each stanza, lol.
Gene
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11 posted 02-01-2001 03:22 PM       View Profile for Gene   Email Gene   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Gene's Home Page   View IP for Gene

Mark,
quote:
What did spock find in the executive bathroom of the Starship Enterprise?


LOL

Don't know what the Vulcan word is, but in Klingon, I think the word for Men's Room is, lod pu' I think that pretty much says it, don't you? LOL

Gene
(formerly, u_gene)
 
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