How to Join Member's Area Private Library Search Today's Topics p Login
Main Forums Discussion Tech Talk Mature Content Archives
   Nav Win
 Discussion
 Philosophy 101
 Something really interesting for all of   [ Page: 1  2  3  ]
 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24
Follow us on Facebook

 Moderated by: Ron   (Admins )

 
User Options
Format for Better Printing EMail to a Friend Not Available
Admin Print Send ECard
Passions in Poetry

Something really interesting for all of you. . .

 Post A Reply Post New Topic   Go to the Next Oldest/Previous Topic Return to Topic Page Go to the Next Newest Topic 
Sven
Deputy Moderator 1 TourDeputy Moderator 1 Tour
Member Laureate
since 11-23-1999
Posts 15611
Lansing, MI USA


0 posted 11-07-2000 02:34 PM       View Profile for Sven   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Sven

Why is an orange?

I await your replies. . .  

---------------------------------------------------------------


That which gives light must endure burning
--Victor Frankl

serenity blaze
Member Empyrean
since 02-02-2000
Posts 28839


1 posted 11-07-2000 02:54 PM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

I like to look at oranges and think, "why not?"
Alicat
Member Elite
since 05-23-99
Posts 4277
Coastal Texas


2 posted 11-07-2000 02:56 PM       View Profile for Alicat   Email Alicat   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Alicat

Simple...because it's not a plum.
warmhrt
Senior Member
since 12-18-1999
Posts 1566


3 posted 11-07-2000 03:00 PM       View Profile for warmhrt   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for warmhrt

Sorry, Ali...it's because it's not an apple. You know the old saying, "Apples and oranges..."
mia

...got to be somewhere better than in the middle...~Wallflowers

[This message has been edited by miapoetess (edited 11-07-2000).]
Elizabeth
Deputy Moderator 1 TourDeputy Moderator 1 Tour
Moderator
Member Rara Avis
since 06-07-99
Posts 7296
America the beautiful


4 posted 11-07-2000 06:09 PM       View Profile for Elizabeth   Email Elizabeth   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Elizabeth's Home Page   View IP for Elizabeth

And because it's not a banana!

Elizabeth


You cling to your ways and leave mine to me.
Suum cuique.
~Elizabeth




[This message has been edited by Elizabeth (edited 11-07-2000).]
Poet deVine
Administrator
Member Empyrean
since 05-26-99
Posts 25869
Hurricane Alley


5 posted 11-07-2000 06:37 PM       View Profile for Poet deVine   Email Poet deVine   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Poet deVine

or·ange    n.


Any of several southeast Asian evergreen trees of the genus Citrus, widely cultivated in warm regions and having fragrant white flowers and round fruit with a yellowish or reddish rind and a sectioned, pulpy interior, especially C. sinensis, the sweet orange, and C. aurantium, the Seville or sour orange.

The fruit of any of these trees, having a sweetish, acidic juice.

Any of several similar plants, such as the Osage orange and the mock orange.

****

Color. The hue of that portion of the visible spectrum lying between red and yellow, evoked in the human observer by radiant energy with wavelengths of approximately 590 to 630 nanometers; any of a group of colors between red and yellow in hue, of medium lightness and moderate saturation.


*****

[Middle English from Old French pume orenge, translation and alteration (influenced by Orenge, Orange, a town in France) of Old Italian melarancio: mela, fruit + arancio, orange tree (alteration of Arabic nranj) (from Persian nrang) (from Sanskrit nraga) (possibly of Dravidian origin).]

****
Word History: Oranges imported to China from the United States reflect a journey come full circle, for the orange had worked its way westward for centuries, originating in China, then being introduced to India, and traveling on to the Middle East, into Europe, and finally to the New World. The history of the word orange keeps step with this journey only part of the way. The word is possibly ultimately of Dravidian origin, that is, it comes from a language or languages in a large non-Indo-European family of languages, including Tamil and Telugu, that are spoken in southern India and northern Sri Lanka. The Dravidian word or words were adopted into the Indo-European language Sanskrit with the form nraga. As the fruit passed westward, so did the word, as evidenced by Persian nrang and Arabic nranj. Arabs brought the first oranges to Spain, and the fruit rapidly spread throughout Europe. The important word for the development of our term is Old Italian melarancio, derived from mela, “fruit,” and arancio, “orange tree,” from Arabic nranj. Old Italian melarancio was translated into Old French as pume orenge, the o replacing the a because of the influence of the name of the town of Orange, from which oranges reached the northern part of France. The final stage of the odyssey of the word was its borrowing into English from the Old French form orenge. Our word is first recorded in Middle English in a text probably composed around 1380, a time preceding the arrival of the orange in the New World.

Is that what you meant?
Severn
Member Rara Avis
since 07-17-99
Posts 8273


6 posted 11-07-2000 07:52 PM       View Profile for Severn   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Severn

I believe we've had this debate before haven't we?

Somewhere in the Alley...

Hmmm...

I am giving it serious philosophical thought...

~thinking
thinking~

hmmm

~head hurting~

Where is Plato!
Where is Seneca!

~ouch...headache~

nup
got no answer for ya


~pause~

I KNOW
I KNOW!

Because then it sounds really sexy when you say it with a French accent...

Cerenity
Member Elite
since 02-16-2000
Posts 2712
Escondido-California


7 posted 11-07-2000 08:49 PM       View Profile for Cerenity   Email Cerenity   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Cerenity

Sven,

All I can do is laugh today, blank as wall upstairs,


SEEEEE I told you nothing, no pro-found thought's coming from me, but I can't wait till you tell us        

Love, Cerenity


"God doesn't have to be reminded that we exist.
We have to be reminded that He exist!"

(Writer Unknown)

Sven
Deputy Moderator 1 TourDeputy Moderator 1 Tour
Member Laureate
since 11-23-1999
Posts 15611
Lansing, MI USA


8 posted 11-07-2000 10:28 PM       View Profile for Sven   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Sven

deVine... that is not what I meant!!!  LOL  

And Ali and mia. . . sorry. . .but you're not right. . . but you're not wrong either. . .

serenity, I used to look at oranges and think. . . "orange juice"!

Severn. . . hmmmmmmmmm. . . orronge. . . hmmmmmm. . . you're right. . . it does!  

Cerenity. . . LOL     You make me laugh my friend. . . I'm not really all that profound myself. . . let it sink in a little more. . .you'll get it!  

------------------------------------------------------------

That which gives light must endure burning
--Victor Frankl

Cerenity
Member Elite
since 02-16-2000
Posts 2712
Escondido-California


9 posted 11-07-2000 10:48 PM       View Profile for Cerenity   Email Cerenity   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Cerenity

Sven,

Why is an Orange?  Orange

Cerenity
Alicat
Member Elite
since 05-23-99
Posts 4277
Coastal Texas


10 posted 11-08-2000 12:43 AM       View Profile for Alicat   Email Alicat   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Alicat

But...but ah likes plums.....you can throw apple seeds at thingies, but they don't do much...now, a plum pit..you can git a lot of distance off one of them thingies.  
Sven
Deputy Moderator 1 TourDeputy Moderator 1 Tour
Member Laureate
since 11-23-1999
Posts 15611
Lansing, MI USA


11 posted 11-08-2000 11:14 AM       View Profile for Sven   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Sven

Cerenity. . . great answer!!!. . .

Alicat, I know that you can get good distance with a plum pit. . . but you can do more damage with the whole plum!!!  

--------------------------------------------------------

That which gives light must endure burning
--Victor Frankl

Cerenity
Member Elite
since 02-16-2000
Posts 2712
Escondido-California


12 posted 11-08-2000 12:14 PM       View Profile for Cerenity   Email Cerenity   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Cerenity

But Sven is that the answer?
and if so why is it Orange?

Love, Cerenity
Rosebud1229
Senior Member
since 04-05-2000
Posts 1829
North Carolina


13 posted 11-08-2000 12:35 PM       View Profile for Rosebud1229   Email Rosebud1229   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Rosebud1229

knock knock whose there orange
knock knock whose there orange
knock knock whose there orange
knock knock whose there apple
aren't you glad I didn't say orange
o.k I give!  oran-ge you suppose to tell now!
there could be a wide 0000 range on this subject.
Brad
Member Ascendant
since 08-20-99
Posts 5896
Jejudo, South Korea


14 posted 11-08-2000 06:41 PM       View Profile for Brad   Email Brad   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Brad

Honestly, I don't understand the question.

Are you asking an ontological question:

What is an orange?

An epistemological question:

How do we know what an orange is?

An etymological question:

Why do we call an orange an orange?

An essentialist question:

What are the unique properties of an orange?

A structuralist question:

What is the specific network of synchronic differences that allow us to use the term "orange" with relative clarity?

Or something else?

I thought Sharon's response was great and very interesting. If I understand that commentary correctly, we don't designate the fruit orange because it's an orange color, we designate the color orange orange because it's like the fruit.

Help!
Brad
Sven
Deputy Moderator 1 TourDeputy Moderator 1 Tour
Member Laureate
since 11-23-1999
Posts 15611
Lansing, MI USA


15 posted 11-09-2000 01:14 PM       View Profile for Sven   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Sven

Brad, nothing so difficult. . .

We ask things like "Why is the sky blue?" and "Why is the grass green?". . . that's the question. . . Why is an orange?  

Not, "why is an orange orange?" or "why are there oranges?". . .but simply "Why is an orange?"

Why is it?  I know, "Why is it what?"  Just Why

We can ask
what is an orange
who is an orange
where is an orange
we could even ask when is an orange
I'm asking why

Does that help?  Probably not!!  But give it another shot. . .

---------------------------------------------------------

That which gives light must endure burning
--Victor Frankl

Cerenity
Member Elite
since 02-16-2000
Posts 2712
Escondido-California


16 posted 11-09-2000 01:50 PM       View Profile for Cerenity   Email Cerenity   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Cerenity

Why is an orange?

and God said let there be oranges and there was,
to tantalize the taste buds and stir the juices, and may they ripen in the light of the sun, and become sweet and juicy, and God smiled. Next God created prunes, but that’s another story!        

Actually I think that there is no real answer, it's what you believe, I say God made them and others will say something different.

What is an orange,  What Poet deVine said.
Who is an orange, its not who its what "fruit"
Where is an orange, under that tree over there.
When is an orange, I'll leave that to the science department, but I say when ready to EAT!

This is fun hehe,

Love, Cerenity


LoveBug
Deputy Moderator 5 Tours
Moderator
Member Ascendant
since 01-08-2000
Posts 5015


17 posted 11-09-2000 09:22 PM       View Profile for LoveBug   Email LoveBug   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for LoveBug

Orange-ya glad that I'm going to keep my mouth shut??
Temptress
Moderator
Member Rara Avis
since 06-15-99
Posts 7276
Mobile, AL


18 posted 11-09-2000 11:54 PM       View Profile for Temptress   Email Temptress   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Temptress

An orange is because it is orange.
Or is it?  
Thats all I have to say..Tune in next time for more brillance from Jennifer!
LOL!

serenity blaze
Member Empyrean
since 02-02-2000
Posts 28839


19 posted 11-10-2000 02:00 AM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

I do have trouble with this---here we are thinking, or some of us might be, "why, indeed, is an orange?" so, we are considering the orange as an absolute?

Of course, I believe, the real question you are asking, is, "why is an absolute, an absolute?"

and I must contend, that Absolute dances lovely with oranges...lol...and vice versa, especially on long hot summer days...
jbouder
Member Elite
since 09-18-99
Posts 2641
Whole Sort Of Genl Mish Mash


20 posted 11-10-2000 12:21 PM       View Profile for jbouder   Email jbouder   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for jbouder

Sven:

I think you need to be more specific.  It seems to me that you are not even sure how to articulate the question you are asking.  Are you simply asking an open ended "why"?  If so, I can think of no better answer than Sharon's.  

I, personally, think you are asking an etymological question ... but I'll reserve my further comments until I understand the question (and I want to understand the question).  

Jim
Sven
Deputy Moderator 1 TourDeputy Moderator 1 Tour
Member Laureate
since 11-23-1999
Posts 15611
Lansing, MI USA


21 posted 11-10-2000 02:15 PM       View Profile for Sven   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Sven

Jim, stop trying to understand the question. . . and really just ask it out loud. . . and don't think about it. . . just answer it. . .

It's just a simple why. . . now, I know that it's hard to do that. . .I know that the first time I heard this question that I didn't understand it. . . I tried to "fill in the blanks" so to speak. . . but this is the question. . . why is an orange?

serenity is on the right track, sort of. . . but it's not "why is an absolute absolute"?  (although you might need an Absolut when this is over. . .)

Try thinking about it this way. . . an orange is because. . .   and take that is as it's being, its existance. . . but the question is not something even that high, it's at its most basic level. . . why is an orange?

And btw, Cerenity is on the right track too. . . and so is Temptress, probably even more than most realize. . . (brilliant btw, Jenn!)  

----------------------------------------------------------

That which gives light must endure burning
--Victor Frankl

CocoBaci
Member Elite
since 05-06-2000
Posts 3084


22 posted 11-10-2000 02:22 PM       View Profile for CocoBaci   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for CocoBaci

Sven, you're probably going to shake your head at my response but I'm in a     mood so here ya go the giggle is on mOi...

Why
..is an orange
What
..is an apple
Who
..is a peach
Where
..is a melon
When
..is a berry now let's mix ourselves a drink

When this is solved get back 2 me will ya...

   Coco  




[This message has been edited by CocoBaci (edited 11-10-2000).]
Lone Wolf
Member Ascendant
since 03-16-2000
Posts 5900
Lansing, MI USA


23 posted 11-10-2000 07:44 PM       View Profile for Lone Wolf   Email Lone Wolf   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Lone Wolf


Sven,

Because it is!!  God made it that way so accept it!!  LOL.  

LW


Poetry should surprise by fine excess...it should strike the reader as a wording of his own highest thoughts and appear almost a remembrance. -J.Keats
Moon Dust
Deputy Moderator 1 TourDeputy Moderator 1 Tour
Member Elite
since 06-11-99
Posts 2250
Skelmersdale, UK


24 posted 11-11-2000 02:09 PM       View Profile for Moon Dust   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Moon Dust

because its an orange

Sometimes you have to let go and move on,
But never let go of the memories.

Sven will be notified of replies
 Post A Reply Post New Topic   Go to the Next Oldest/Previous Topic Return to Topic Page Go to the Next Newest Topic 
All times are ET (US) Top
  User Options
>> Discussion >> Philosophy 101 >> Something really interesting for all of   [ Page: 1  2  3  ] Format for Better Printing EMail to a Friend Not Available
Print Send ECard

 

pipTalk Home Page | Main Poetry Forums

How to Join | Member's Area / Help | Private Library | Search | Contact Us | Today's Topics | Login
Discussion | Tech Talk | Archives | Sanctuary



© Passions in Poetry and netpoets.com 1998-2013
All Poetry and Prose is copyrighted by the individual authors