Member Rara Avis
Mumbai, India : now in Belgium
Okay... here I am beckoned to talk by an interesting topic, intriguing in its vagueness... after being a listener for long...
let's see if I can break up what you say...
Listener may very well, not have the same ears as the talker....
Is it time to get out of Rome because no one can understand you?
Or have you learned to carry your sag full of your own manure, believing everyone else unbearable forgeting the sag you carry?
so far you make a relevant point that the perception of conversation to a talker and a listener are different, and could be very well so. For a talker concentrates on the thought that he puts to words, and the listener puts words to thoughts...
But this is quite ambiguous. Being a good talker is to also be a good listener and the twain shall therefore meet... That's my sole opinion on it...
You further say that should one not speak in the fear that other's might not understand (either due to experience or by perceiving on the basis of assumption - not so clear)
If one is a good listener, he will find that there are other listeners as well, but simply are talkers as well. Listening is an art as Doreen puts it, but not too difficult to master - and so is 'talking sense'.
Now if you feel that the others might not be suitably impressed, the topic is to be blamed to an extent and the speaker to a certain extent and then finally the listener's inability to pick in that order (me thinks!)
Fear of not being heard will make you dumb, and reduce the sharpness of your own ability to convert the swords to thoughts like a one way road to nowhere, aimless and listless.
Perhaps it is time to listen to ones own self and hear only nothingness. Laying in tall grass, not hearing the stillness of the water, but just knowing it is there, and is more important than anything else. Life's only lesson.
This is the single-sided perception of a good listener,i.e. "knowing it is there"... but could very well the pitfall of his life... ASSUMPTION is one of the biggest mistakes that we make... we assume that things will be there at the place they are supposed to be... and thereby build up expectations... and these very well are delusionary and lead us to wrong beliefs leading us "out of ROME" to use your phrase...
In brief, you have an excellent and most intriguing chain of thoughts but are they well grounded in themselves..
are you a listener who hasn't been listened to?
Or are you just reading a book and trying to figure something out...
See, if I got you wrong, it might mean
1. I am probably another oaf, who is deaf but can speak loud... but I am learning
2. You have not been clear enough and used plenty of ambiguous unrelated phrases together...
And Doreen, a few small thing...about meditation (from this horse's mind)
Reclusion and seclusion are not ways of achieving peace and meditation. It is a direction but not THE way... There is nothing wrong with getting along with nature, going to the top of a mountain and chanting or meditating God's name... The real peace is to be found right here in the surroundings that one lives in... Adjustment of one's lifestyle and hearing other minds think is the way of collaboration and towards peace, me feels... I had once read the story of a revered seer of modern Hinduism (I do not much believe in rituals, and religion based spiritualism... but that's another story) named Adi Sankaracharya (he is said to have revived the religion and prevented its death) and to the best of my knowledge he had a debate with a saintly lady, who askes him one question... 'how can you, O revered sir, debate about family life and the way to lead it, if you yourself have stayed away from marriage, meditating in the woods in a search of peace? Don't you think you have to be closer to real life and its issues to be gain real spirituality... he is said to have accepted defeat in that one and then learned the life and its struggles later and then came back to the debats some 10 years later... and the story goes on...
well but you did not say whether you agreed with the line or not... just left it hanging a bit, did you not? I mean:
"one of the ways, i believe you are saying, to learn the art of listening is to get alone with nature and God and practice the pure listening that comes from that meditative experience..."
Sorry for the length of that one... and I said small thing
Well, merlynh, I hope you read this and respond... and for doreen... you have not yet reached the "frog in a well" thread
hope to hear more...
THANKS FOR LETTING ME RAMBLE...