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merlynh Member
since 1999-09-26
Posts 411deer park, wa |
Listener may very well, not have the same ears as the talker. The listener may vary well know what the talker says before it is said because of his keen mind. But like the talker the listener usally dosn't know what words will be said in the next five minutes. So? Is it time to get out of Rome because no one can understand you? Or have you learned to carry your sag full of your own manure, believing everyone else unbearable forgeting the sag you carry? Prehaps it is time to listen to ones own self and hear only nothingness. Laying in tall grass, not hearing the stillness of the water, but just knowing it is there, and is more important than anything else. Life's only lesson. |
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Brad Member Ascendant
since 1999-08-20
Posts 5705Jejudo, South Korea |
I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. Don't suppose you might clarify it a bit? Thanks, Brad |
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JnR4eva Member
since 2000-08-07
Posts 377Bronx, NY |
yea i must admit myself that i am a bit confused..is this supposed to be a poem with a philosophical nature? or is this something for all to reply to? if so..what is the question being asked? i liked what you said though...i think i consider myself a listener...i usually argue what people say in my head  and how frequently do i argue might i add lol but please do clear this up a little thanx< !signature-->"my love is my motivation my love is my inspiration perception of this poem is your interpretation" -- rlt [This message has been edited by JnR4eva (edited 08-29-2000).] |
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merlynh Member
since 1999-09-26
Posts 411deer park, wa |
Those who wish to listen. We are all of the same mind, if we do not think and go to a quite place inside ourselves. Alive like we are, we are only in different places where our thought put us. Truly believing we are different from each other. "Indeed, the great paradox of the writer's life is how much time he spends alone trying to connect with other people." --Betsy Lerner "I am but a child, opened minded to learn, always astonished by each passing moment" -Merlyn Hearn |
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doreen peri Member Elite
since 1999-05-25
Posts 3812Virginia |
merlyn- you have such a distinct style of phrasing things that every time I read something you write.... stories, poetry, or even statements about life like this one... you create intrigue and pensive thought in me and I thank you for that... It's very good to see you here again and I take it that you must be feeling much better... my prayers for you have been answered, i am hoping... as far as what you've written here, i find it very clear.... listening is an art... many people don't know how to do it and many don't take time to learn... people miscommunicate because they have not truly listened to the other... because they are thinking they know what the other is going to say, they jump to conclusions and/or read things into the others words.... one of the ways, i believe you are saying, to learn the art of listening is to get alone with nature and God and practice the pure listening that comes from that meditative experience... please correct me if my interpretation is wrong... i was hoping i was truly listening to what you were saying and if i heard you wrong, i'd like to know so i can continue perfecting the art of listening well. Thank you for being you... and please take care of yourself!! I hope to read a story or two on these boards soon and hope you are feeling well enough to write for us again... we have missed you! ~ all you can really ever expect out of life is a good apology and some decent poetry ~ |
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Sudhir Iyer Member Ascendant
since 2000-04-26
Posts 6943Mumbai, India : now in Belgium |
Okay... here I am beckoned to talk by an interesting topic, intriguing in its vagueness... after being a listener for long... let's see if I can break up what you say... Listener may very well, not have the same ears as the talker.... Is it time to get out of Rome because no one can understand you? Or have you learned to carry your sag full of your own manure, believing everyone else unbearable forgeting the sag you carry? ---- so far you make a relevant point that the perception of conversation to a talker and a listener are different, and could be very well so. For a talker concentrates on the thought that he puts to words, and the listener puts words to thoughts... But this is quite ambiguous. Being a good talker is to also be a good listener and the twain shall therefore meet... That's my sole opinion on it... You further say that should one not speak in the fear that other's might not understand (either due to experience or by perceiving on the basis of assumption - not so clear) If one is a good listener, he will find that there are other listeners as well, but simply are talkers as well. Listening is an art as Doreen puts it, but not too difficult to master - and so is 'talking sense'. Now if you feel that the others might not be suitably impressed, the topic is to be blamed to an extent and the speaker to a certain extent and then finally the listener's inability to pick in that order (me thinks!) Fear of not being heard will make you dumb, and reduce the sharpness of your own ability to convert the swords to thoughts like a one way road to nowhere, aimless and listless. -------- Perhaps it is time to listen to ones own self and hear only nothingness. Laying in tall grass, not hearing the stillness of the water, but just knowing it is there, and is more important than anything else. Life's only lesson. This is the single-sided perception of a good listener,i.e. "knowing it is there"... but could very well the pitfall of his life... ASSUMPTION is one of the biggest mistakes that we make... we assume that things will be there at the place they are supposed to be... and thereby build up expectations... and these very well are delusionary and lead us to wrong beliefs leading us "out of ROME" to use your phrase... In brief, you have an excellent and most intriguing chain of thoughts but are they well grounded in themselves.. are you a listener who hasn't been listened to? Or are you just reading a book and trying to figure something out... See, if I got you wrong, it might mean 1. I am probably another oaf, who is deaf but can speak loud... but I am learning  2. You have not been clear enough and used plenty of ambiguous unrelated phrases together... And Doreen, a few small thing...about meditation (from this horse's mind)  Reclusion and seclusion are not ways of achieving peace and meditation. It is a direction but not THE way... There is nothing wrong with getting along with nature, going to the top of a mountain and chanting or meditating God's name... The real peace is to be found right here in the surroundings that one lives in... Adjustment of one's lifestyle and hearing other minds think is the way of collaboration and towards peace, me feels... I had once read the story of a revered seer of modern Hinduism (I do not much believe in rituals, and religion based spiritualism... but that's another story) named Adi Sankaracharya (he is said to have revived the religion and prevented its death) and to the best of my knowledge he had a debate with a saintly lady, who askes him one question... 'how can you, O revered sir, debate about family life and the way to lead it, if you yourself have stayed away from marriage, meditating in the woods in a search of peace? Don't you think you have to be closer to real life and its issues to be gain real spirituality... he is said to have accepted defeat in that one and then learned the life and its struggles later and then came back to the debats some 10 years later... and the story goes on... well but you did not say whether you agreed with the line or not... just left it hanging a bit, did you not? I mean: "one of the ways, i believe you are saying, to learn the art of listening is to get alone with nature and God and practice the pure listening that comes from that meditative experience..." Sorry for the length of that one... and I said small thing Well, merlynh, I hope you read this and respond... and for doreen... you have not yet reached the "frog in a well" thread  hope to hear more... THANKS FOR LETTING ME RAMBLE... regards, sudhir |
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doreen peri Member Elite
since 1999-05-25
Posts 3812Virginia |
sudhir- not much time right now... but... "frog in the well" thread??? i'm lost... hehe... but apparently know it so at least that's one step in the right direction.... what frog? what well? what thread??? LOL thanks  |
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Moon Dust
since 1999-06-11
Posts 2177Skelmersdale, UK |
I'm not sure what your trying to say. But if you mean should you just listen to one persons opinions and keep your own to your self or just go ahead and give your own. Or if your just asking people what they do then well is that what you are trying to say?? "Those who will not learn to use this instrument well cannot be saved by an expanded alphabet; they will only afflict us with expanded gibberish" ~ |
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merlynh Member
since 1999-09-26
Posts 411deer park, wa |
Doreen peri thank you for you reply, you were the closest to understanding. Brad asked to clarify it a bit. Maria Byrne, Sudhir Iyer, JnR4eva. Drink only from your own well. "There is every thing in nothingness" -merlyn hearn What is everything, who is beyond our own world, and yet is next to us? Look for he who can teach us everything, to listen with our hearts, turn hate into love. I am not worthy to write these words for most of them will not be heard. "Forgive them for they do not know what they do, as you have forgiven this lesser one." --a prayer by merlyn hearn [This message has been edited by merlynh (edited 09-04-2000).] |
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Sudhir Iyer Member Ascendant
since 2000-04-26
Posts 6943Mumbai, India : now in Belgium |
Smile and forget what was written here... My regards, sudhir [This message has been edited by Sudhir Iyer (edited 09-05-2000).] |
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JnR4eva Member
since 2000-08-07
Posts 377Bronx, NY |
Why hello Merlynh. How are we today? As for me I was doing just fine until I read this post .I shall heed to your advice just as soon as I finish drinking out of someone else's well.  Talking about listeners, I was wondering if you were listening to some of the comments people had made on here? Or perhaps you were hearing them? You know the comments that politely asked you what your intentions were being that you did not post a question, but rather some thoughts. It wasn't the thoughts per se that were cryptic, but rather your replies. Being that Doreen Peri has seem to have heard you loud and clear, Doreen if you read this please let us know what exactly is the point of this thread. He claims your the only one coming closest. So please help us. "Forgive them for they do not know what they do, as you have forgiven this lesser one." --a prayer by merlyn hearn Was this directed towards us (brad, sudhir, Maria, Doreen and I)? Please let us know And of all people I thought Sudhir would have been the closest, if not the one on target, when it came to your statement being that he went into in-depth analysis. In return he got a "drink from your well comment". Please enlighten us Merlyn, for we not know what we do [This message has been edited by JnR4eva (edited 09-05-2000).] |
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doreen peri Member Elite
since 1999-05-25
Posts 3812Virginia |
When I said I thought what merlynh was saying was clear, it was probably because i heard my own interpretation of what he said... and i try to be clear to myself. Does that make sense? i really don't think merlyn was trying to disregard the thoughts of others.... but of course, i can't speak for him.... i can only say that i read what was written and attempted to interpret it. Still, merlyn says i was "closest"... but didn't say where i missed the mark of what he was trying to convey. i would also like to say that it didn't appear to me that other responses were being "ignored", though i think a polite acknowledgement would have been a good idea... it is possible that merlyn may not have had the time yet to spend on responding to each individual person and i'm all for giving people the benefit of the doubt, y'know? i think this thread is a perfect example reflecting the need for people to better communicate... and that includes all parties listening and responding to the other. merlyn, i'm glad i came close...but....if you have the time and feel up to it... what part did i get it right and what part did i miss? do you have any comments for the others who have spent time in this thread with lengthy responses? please understand, that i realize your health has not been good lately, and if you don't have time to respond, or don't feel up to it, that's fine.... i am very sure we all will understand....i know you to be a responsive and caring person and i'm sure you meant no slight to anyone here by not replying thus far to each individually.... and i hope you are feeling better soon. ~ all you can really ever expect out of life is a good apology and some decent poetry ~ |
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JnR4eva Member
since 2000-08-07
Posts 377Bronx, NY |
Thank you Doreen for your response. I will admit that at the time i was 'peeved' a bit, but your reply was very understandable. Thank you once again "my love is my motivation my love is my inspiration perception of this poem is your interpretation" -- rlt |
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merlynh Member
since 1999-09-26
Posts 411deer park, wa |
My intentions were to leave all well enough alone, but since there has been so many replies and request for me to explain. I will, out of consideration. The first few sentences are directed toward how different, we all believe we are, and by putting our own thoughts into how we interpret reassuring ourselves while communicating. It all comes down to ego. When you get to a stage where you can not understand why others around, can't stand you because of the big sack your carry as all of us do. The sack full of crap being the one we all have: our attitude and beliefs and the expressions we all feel we have to unload on to anyone that will listen. By letting ourselves go into a quiet place, as in meditate with the intentions of finding God within. Dying and becoming into more of the person that we were meant to be. Life's great lesson can not be shared with everyone, but only found by each individual. I did not mean any offend by writing any of this. I only felt the need to share. I claim to know nothing because no one knows everything; there is always more to learn. By admitting to be lesser makes one -open minded-to learn. Thanks for your replies one and all. Sorry I haven't replied as some have stated. I'm very ill and can only seat for a limited time. I truly hope I haven't offended anyone. Perhaps many should read Kant who was a German idealist philosopher who argued that reason is the means by which the phenomena of experience are translated into understanding. Which I thought was merely the need for reasoning in metaphysics. His works include, "Critique of Pure Reason (1781)" and "Critique of Practical Reason (1788) Which was the last books I read studying metapsychology, finding no real answer to understanding my search for the reasons for existing. Ask me and I will tell you where I found the answers. |
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doreen peri Member Elite
since 1999-05-25
Posts 3812Virginia |
merlyn... you're a gem!! (((( HUGS )))) |
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merlynh Member
since 1999-09-26
Posts 411deer park, wa |
Thank you Doreenperi, and yes I am thinking about posting more. It is entirely possible that no one sees the whole, because we only see through the perspective of our own psychological colouration. "Reality" is, therefore, subjective even to the most open -minded among us. We have recently learned that even sub-atomic particles may alter their behaviour according to the observer, and the once safe field of inanimate matter is no longer safe to us as the last bastion of "objective reality". And this recognition of our one-sidedness is perhaps the beginning of wisdom. - Liz Greene [This message has been edited by merlynh (edited 09-10-2000).] |
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