"What I meant about the lack of challenge in life was that people who don't want to work, don't want to do anything, they don't have to. That's what welfare is for. People don't need to try, all they have to do is get in line for gov. assistance."
I don't see the corelation between this and genetic manipulation? Please elaborate if you have the time.
"I'll just reiterrate my original point. If you can't accept that your child might be less than ideal, in your eyes, in physical looks, then you don't deserve to have a child."
Maybe so but with or without genetic tampering this still occurs and banning genetic manipulation would not prevent this problem. Parents continually push their children and try to mold them how they see fit both mentally and physically. Plus we all try to change ourselves....how many here can honestly say that they are completely happy with themselves....most of us would like to change something whether it be intelligence or appearence. Why should we be happy with ourselves? Does not change occur through discontentment?
"I must disagree with you. Most people I know who are "beautiful" think that they can do what they want to who they want, and nothing bad will come of it, because they are the center of the universe."
I do admit that there are some "beautiful" people that are consceded enough to think that their sh** doesn't stink, however that is a mental problem and not actually due to their appearence. The perception I was refering to was a more simplistic one....their green is green and their hot is hot, just like everyone else but we all have a different perception of the world as a whole...not only the MENSA brainstormers and Barbie dolls.
"Not to be insensitive, but without the less intelligent class, who is going to run our factories? as of right now, we still need laborers for them."
The less intelligent class would still exist just at a different level. Also just because someone is intelligent doesn't mean they think themselves above manual labor (just above the little money they pay ).
"possibly, but maybe also because they look around them, and see that others that are either as smart or beautiful as them are treated as better than the rest of the human race, and think that they deserve that. Also, it is just human nature to look down upon those who you see as inferior to you in some way, and the beautiful/incredibly smart, will naturally be superior to a great many people in those aspects."
But who is to blame, the "beautiful" person or those that treat them like they're gold? Plus I don't see how the banning of genetic manipulation would stop this.
"I really must disagree with this. It's obivously starting a verbal war here, just the prospect of it. Think if it were to be put into practice. It is a terribly controversial subject, rivalling abortion, and assisted suicide. It has been compared to what Hitler tried to do, in creating a "super race". You know what happened there? A war- a damn big one."
Verbal war??? I thought this was a debate. Perhaps we all should stop thinking so no one feels bad or inferior, also maybe those who are beautiful should scare their faces and put on weight (just teasing ya). Just because something is controversial doesn't make it bad. Hitler tried to kill everyone he didn't like in order to achieve the super-race....how is that the same as prechoosing your child's genetic makeup? What is so wrong with creating more intelligent humans? Isn't creating more intelligent people the reason we teach our young anyways? As a society shouldn't we be trying to further the standard level of intelligence within our world? What is so wrong with creating more physically fit humans? Why wait to buy glasses when you can give your child superb eyesight? Why buy braces if you could ensure straight and healthy teeth? Why pay for casts and cures when you could make them strong and healthy? Why not be preventative?
It seems like you'd rather the gifted lower their levels to make those lagging behind feel more comfortable. It sounds like you'd rather take the Einstiens and turn them into dolts then take the dolts and turn them into Einstiens.
"Humans are just another animal."
I agree with you completely.
"made up for by the technology that we have developed with our superior intelligence."
But even if a dolphin knew how to build a flying city it could not for a lack of hands. What other animals know, we will never understand and vice versa. We don't understand their world and they don't understand ours. Kinda funny that a one year old dog can understand an adult human better than a one year old baby trying to understand an adult dog. If we can not think like other animals then how can we accurately gauge their levels of intelligence? Sorry I know it's kinda off topic but the arrogance of humanity when dealing with other species really bothers me....they (the little woodland creatures) can't be all that stupid....they're not the ones raping the earth.
"So basically, we are a parasite, with no apparent niche in the natural world. "
I'm going to have to side with Brad on this one.....everything is a parasite feeding off of other things....otherwise we'd be canibals.
"The only place we belong is in our little automated society, destroying more and more, every second, of what was originally a very beautiful planet."
Yep, we've definetly done a number on this planet. However perhaps with a new level of intelligence, a new level of social conscience would arise...a new level of higher thinking and solutions. Sure the "smart" ones have gotten the world into a mess but haven't these same people been known to fix things as well. It is the intelligent ones who have made notably good advancements in society/technology/medicine. There have been some good inventions throughout the existence of mankind, it hasn't been all bad.
"I think intelligence, beauty, skills, and whatnot are a gift that fate gives us, And I might start a debate about fate with thaty comment, but I do believe fate exists."
Then perhaps genetic alterations is the "fate" of the human race. The super human is a natural occurance anyways. With natural selection and mate selection it's always only a matter of time before genetics "ups" the standards in relation to the environment. But the scarey part I think could be the long term effects of eliminating the natural process of adaptation. Personally I think that genetics could re-open Pandora's Box, not because of what can be done (I believe that genetic altering could effectively help humans reach a "height" they will never know) but because I don't think the governing powers of the world would be responsible enough with the knowledge. First thing they'd build would probably be some sort of "SUPERSOLDIER".
"What would cause you more harm? If I shot your dog or one of your parents?"
What would cause a dog more harm? If a person shot the dog's parents or themselves? I would say all creatures have a natural empathy towards their own kind, it's because every animal understands their own species more than they understand another animal. I personally believe that we are just animals and just like everything being parasitic in nature, it's not really a bad thing.
ANyways, that's my little babble for tonight, thanks everyone and take care,
[This message has been edited by Trevor (edited 01-11-2000).]