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Trevor
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0 posted 12-05-1999 09:31 PM       View Profile for Trevor   Email Trevor   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Trevor


Is it better to know where you are but not how you got there or is it better to know how you got there but not where you are? Or are both just being lost? Just curious to what people think. Take care,

Trevor
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1 posted 12-06-1999 06:40 AM       View Profile for Nan   Email Nan   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Nan's Home Page   View IP for Nan

Trevor - I think it's much more important to know how I got there - What difference does it make where I am?? If I know how I got there, I can always find my way out - or my way back again.... If I just know my whereabouts with no direction, I've learned nothing... If I'm gonna be lost, I'd rather do it in style, ya know???
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2 posted 12-06-1999 11:59 AM       View Profile for danni   Email danni   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for danni

I have always felt that the journey holds more meaning and importance than the destination. The journey is where the lessons are learned and where we find out who we are, what we can overcome, and how much we can handle. So I would much rather how I got to where I am.
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3 posted 12-06-1999 01:52 PM       View Profile for jbouder   Email jbouder   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for jbouder

No question ... it is much more important to me to know how I got there (where ever "there" is).  I am in agreement with whoever said, "The unexamined life is not worth living."  Knowing how I got "there" is the only way this man can be certain that this "there" is the right "there" to be. Now are you lost?  

 Jim

"If I rest, I rust." -Martin Luther


Seaangel
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4 posted 12-06-1999 03:45 PM       View Profile for Seaangel   Email Seaangel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Seaangel

Everyone else seems to be saying it's how you got there, not where you are, that's important, which I agree with.  Up to a point that is.  I take it being lost in some horrible place where you could harm other people is okay then as long as you understand the path that led you there?
I think we all would acknowledge that the past has as much meaning as the present and helps to ground the present, but the present leads to the future and so can't be just passed over.  

If you don't know where you are (I'm talking psychologically, and it seems everyone else is too,) but you still know how you got there...well that seems a contradiction in terms.  And this seems confused too, but I know that's not always the case.

I do think that you all have a point, it's just that I hate to see one side of an argument go unargued!

And anyway, if we take ourselves as the only point of reference, we can never be lost, since we'll always be home, no matter where we are!!!

(Quick query, guys- how do you do the rolling smily face?  I've seen it on other posts but it's not in the available similies in the reply setup. Help?)
Trevor
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5 posted 12-07-1999 12:23 AM       View Profile for Trevor   Email Trevor   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Trevor

I don't know which would be better, sometimes I guess the journey would be more rewarding than the place and vice versa.
The thing that got me thinking along these lines was the pondering of us, the human. Would it be better to know where we are or would it be better to know how we got here? Is it better to know the whole story except for the ending or is it better to know the ending of a story and not the rest? Is two plus two more important than four? Ideally it would be better to know how one arrived and where one is but what if one can't.
In relation to the struggle of humanity and it's emotional wrestling with existence it seems we know more of where we are then how we got here. Sure science and religion speculates how we arrived but there are so many loop holes in there theories, both tend to use "filler" in fixing their theories. I wonder what would be more fullfilling, to know how we were created and never the purpose or to know why we were created and not who or what created us. Who would rather know their parents but not about conception or who would rather know about conception but not know who created them? (And when I speak of conception I don't mean the pleasure of sex but rather more just the science of "spawning")

I like what Seaangel said about using one's self as a point of reference and therefore always being at home, but that still doesn't answer how one got home. It's more of knowing the destination than knowing of the voyage.

Would it be better to be in love and not know why you're in love or would it be better to know how to fall in love but never realize when you are in love?

I think life is a funny thing, we are born into the answer of an equation written by nature or god/s (both are the ultimate riddler) and fueled with some internal desire to know if we are the product of 2 plus 2, 3 plus 1, 2 times 2 or 4 minus 0. It's just seems kinda cruel sometimes but I guess it keeps us busy. I wish the first thing a human discover was writing, then he/she could have kept notes on how they got here. I often wonder what the very first human thought was, "What the f*** is going on here?" or was it "Hey, I'm alive". That thought probably resembles, if not the same, every baby's first thought.

I wonder if I'd like to wake up in a new country every morning and not know how I got there or wander the earth and never know where I am? Sometimes the journey will kill us and sometimes it is the destination's fault.

Science seems to favour more of the path known but the destination unknown. In genetics they (the evils in white lab coats   ) they tend to "play god" and without knowing what the long term effects are(what they are really creating). Perhaps science is a teeter-totter, at first we have an apple, we know it is an apple but we don't know how an apple works. We then know how an apple works but then we wonder what will happen if we cross the genes of an apple with the genes of a fish. We first know where we are, then we know how we got there, then we don't know where we are going but but we know how we will get there, wherever there is.

Wouldn't it be ironic if we created our current form (what we call human) unintentionally only to eventually turn ourselves unintentionally into the form we used to be and not even know that is how we originally were? Sometimes I feel like the scientist and other times I feel like the subject....oh, well, for another I am there and for myself I am here. Many thanks to all for their comments, take care,
Trevor
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6 posted 01-29-2000 10:30 AM       View Profile for Tony Di Bart   Email Tony Di Bart   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Tony Di Bart

is it better to know where you are but not how you got there or is it better to know how
you got there but not where you are? Or are both just being lost? Just curious to what  people think. Take car

I think....sometimes....

I think that it is better to know how you
got there then know where you are.

To know where you are but not know how you got there means, to me, that you are wandering in life.  You are at the effect of life.  However, if you know how you got where
you are then you can look and learn about where, and what and why.  You can affect your life in this manner. Furthermore, to know how you got there also implies that you know where you are.  Does it not?  You can trace your steps.  To know the road you have travelled is to know the road. Unless your blind folded but then that scenario one.

see ya
Peace
 
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