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Does anyone here believe in demons and demon possession?

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Temptress
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0 posted 10-31-1999 04:13 AM       View Profile for Temptress   Email Temptress   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Temptress

The question has been stated, and I am looking for some honest answers. I'll check this in a few days since Sunday will be a slow day here. Good day to you.

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1 posted 10-31-1999 07:54 PM       View Profile for Brad   Email Brad   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Brad

Not particularly. I suppose you could say it's possible but I'm not that worried about it. Unless, of course, you mean the demons that possess us all in a metaphorical way? What would those demons be?
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2 posted 10-31-1999 08:56 PM       View Profile for Marilyn   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Marilyn

I believe in demons but not the kind of which you speak. I believe in the kind that people wrestle with daily, fears, hurts etc.

Goodness...look at me. This is all I have to say on this issue...LOL.
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3 posted 10-31-1999 10:07 PM       View Profile for Temptress   Email Temptress   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Temptress

DEMONS, people!
Biblical demons as in the Christian belief. I don't want discussion of religion either. (just a warning there) Just an answer of whether or not you believe will suffice.
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4 posted 11-02-1999 03:33 AM       View Profile for Brad   Email Brad   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Brad

Well then I think the two of us have answered your question, more or less. Do you believe in demons? And if you don't want to talk about religion, why do you believe in them?

Brad
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5 posted 11-02-1999 10:08 PM       View Profile for Temptress   Email Temptress   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Temptress

Yes, I believe in them, but we don't have to get into a religious discussion to discuss whether or not we believe in them do we? In one of the answers it seemed to me that I didn't clarify the type of demons, so I did so with my response to it.
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6 posted 11-03-1999 10:59 AM       View Profile for Marilyn   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Marilyn

In your answer to the responses...IMHO...you seemed to want just a yes or no answer. When you put limits on where the discussion goes, you limited someones thought process. To adiquately discuss this question, how can you avoid the religous aspect?
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7 posted 11-03-1999 10:22 PM       View Profile for Temptress   Email Temptress   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Temptress

Okay, I think I've gotten on everyone's nerves so far. Answer the question any way you see fit. I realize after careful thought that my tone was forceful and rude at the time of both the first post and the answers to the two other people who responded. I apologize, and hope that everyone who reads this knows this is not my normal way.
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8 posted 11-04-1999 01:40 AM       View Profile for Brad   Email Brad   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Brad

Temptress,
I don't think you've been rude. I just wonder what you want to talk about. Were you thinking of a kind of survey question? Right now, it just seems sort of a tease (your name is Temptress, isn't it?). When you have time, can you try to get more specific?

You've made me very curious,
Brad
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Hmmmm... Demons and demon possession? That would be a hoot wouldn't it?

Can I say I believe? Well, it is not that I don't believethey exist in as much as it is that I don't know if they exist.

Belief in demons would necessarily entail some sort of Judeo-Christian belief, or some other established religious belief which places Good and Evil at odds with each other as sentient entities.

I don't know if I have it in me to put such faith in beings who are intentionally trying to cause us harm or good.

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10 posted 11-04-1999 03:16 PM       View Profile for Kelly   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Kelly

Yes, I believe in demons but I don't have any fear or interest in them.
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11 posted 11-04-1999 03:43 PM       View Profile for Temptress   Email Temptress   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Temptress

Brad,
Its not really a survey question. It is just something I am curious about. Specifically, do you believe in Demons or Demonic possessions as taught by the Christian belief? Discuss the point further as wish to. *smiles* At least my thoughts have gotten someone's curiousity around here. : )
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12 posted 11-04-1999 03:46 PM       View Profile for Toerag   Email Toerag   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Toerag

My parents didn't till after I was born...
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13 posted 11-08-1999 10:36 PM       View Profile for doreen peri   Email doreen peri   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for doreen peri

I do. I think. I think I do. I do I think. Stupid demons have possessed my writing, that's all I can say about it. And it's true. I think it's true, at least. I'm pretty darned sure I believe in demonic posession, although I don't know if I spelled it right. AND I don't believe it works like that movie in the '70's... the Exorcist... I don't think that was at all realistic. I don't think.

But I do think I believe it happens. Not sure, but my gut feeling is that it does. Frankly, I think there's some demon possessed nuts here posting poems about being institutionalized... claiming to be artists and cartoons and stuff...

I'm just messin' with ya, Temptress.... bottom line is, I do believe in demons...


i think


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14 posted 11-09-1999 03:51 PM       View Profile for Toerag   Email Toerag   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Toerag

Yea, right....easy for Doreen to say...she knows me?....
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You open all kinds of doors, you know, even if that wasn't/isn't your intent. Demons and possession. Could this be a little like when my mom would tell me to clean my plate because there were children starving in India, or some other place. The joke is, you ask her to name one, which, of course, she can't. So, does anyone know of this happening? We read about it, see movies about, but has/does it really happen. I wonder, sometimes, if it happens to those who believe in it, and it doesn't for those who don't. Demons and spooky things address believers in spooky-ism, just as religious faith, in all its forms, addresses believers in that area.
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16 posted 11-18-1999 06:19 AM       View Profile for Lolita   Email Lolita   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Lolita

I was born into a very catholic community, into a very tight parish, of the church of Saint Annes. The road in which I lived all my life was so heavily religious it was called by all who didn't live there "Little Jerusalem". Because of this severs dedication to the faith I went to many retreats. One annual one was at a place called Thirsk, it didn't actually have a name and everyone I don't think because we only ever said " I'm going to Thirsk" or "Thirsk was such a laugh this year". It was good fun because out of sessions we gt into loads of mischeif and broadened our sexual liberations. However, the sessions were extreme and much of the stuff was crazy as hell. Now children under fifteen do not go to the mass sessions because they look so scary. These sessions involved stuff like praying over people where people often started talking in the voices of others. Also there were these praying things when it was kind o meditation but everyone who did it shook really violently and wailed and tears streamed down their cheeks, then after all was finished they didn't knowthey had been shaking, they just felt "really warm inside, and happy and full of love" That was said to me by my friends moter, Mary Brett who also went to Mejagorie and saw the sun dipping randomly in the sky with about two hundred other people. So yes I do beleive in demons, I would go as far as to say I know demons exist, but there are some GOOD demons who posses people, and those are the ones I have seen with my own eyes.

[This message has been edited by Ron (01-14-2010 09:51 AM).]

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17 posted 12-10-1999 08:47 AM       View Profile for Athas   Email Athas   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Athas

Em demons and a simple answer not involving religion.  Well yes I think that it is probable that demons exist but as for actually believing in them as in actually believing in any specific one.  That seems to tempt fate a little. I believe that people can become posessed which is something that society seems to have stoped beliving in.  Does that answer your question?
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I would have to say that I am very skeptical of the notion of their existence as they are popularly portrayed (a la "Xena: Warrior Princess" or Frank Perretti novels).  I have never "seen" one nor have I been exposed to credible evidence of demonic possession. I have seen a great deal of "crap" and abuse out there, however.  I cannot say that they do not exist (universal negative fallacy, you understand) but I have to say that I am skeptical of, at the very least, how many people popularly describe demons and demonic possession.

 Jim

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19 posted 01-09-2010 10:39 PM       View Profile for Essorant   Email Essorant   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Essorant's Home Page   View IP for Essorant

I believe it when the word is used like this:

I am possessed by a demon (a virus)
I am possessed by a demon (a vice)
I am possessed by a demon (a negative emotion) etc.


But not when it is used like this:

I am possessed by a demon (a demon).  

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20 posted 01-12-2010 12:14 PM       View Profile for Stephanos   Email Stephanos   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Stephanos's Home Page   View IP for Stephanos

yes, literally.
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     Interesting thought.  I can't answer the question theologically; it's speculative.  In terms of psychological reality, yeah, I think so.  People's awareness only covers a limited part of their actual personhood at any one time.  Jung used to talk about consciousness (of any single person, in this case) being like islands poking above the ocean.  The consciousness shows up here and there, and is different in each place.  Some places you'd recognize easily, others not so easily, though they're all still part of the same person.

     And that's without talking about the ocean or the parts underwater.

     Some folks, according to Harry Stack Sullivan, undergo a "malevolent transformation" and identify with actual evil.  One doesn't meet these folks too often outside of psychiatric hospitals or prisons, but they're out there.  They will sometimes identify with the demonic, which is an Archetype in the Platonic sense.  One can certainly be possessed by Archetypes, such as The Old Wise Man or The Crone or The Great Mother or Venus.  The Demonic is one of those, and it can very easily possess people and do not very nice things with them.  Alastair Crowley, if I have his name spelled correctly, was one of them.  Charles Manson would likely have been another.

     When you get a lot of Archetypal stuff going on, reports of what happens in those places seem to become unreliable.  Whether that reflects an actual weirdness in reality or in people's reports about reality in those situations, I don't know.  

     I think that it's much simpler to dismiss reports of the demonic, of course, if you've never actually seen or experienced something directed personally at you with what amounts to a soul destroying intention.  If you don't believe in soul, and many fine people do not, please feel free to substitute a word that you feel has a parallel and equivalent if non-theological meaning.  I would suggest  happy thoughts and joyful pastimes are a much more fruitful way of dealing with life.  

     And for goodness' sake, why are you so curious about demons and possession when you could be just as interested in passionate fascinations and thrilling accomplishments?  They're actually probably more fun to achieve and considerably more meaningful in the long run.  In my opinion.
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22 posted 01-14-2010 03:50 PM       View Profile for Stephanos   Email Stephanos   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Stephanos's Home Page   View IP for Stephanos

"The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist"

Roger "Verbal" Kint - "The Usual Suspects"

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23 posted 02-19-2010 10:21 AM       View Profile for Chalmette Guy   Email Chalmette Guy   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Chalmette Guy

Yes.


How's that Temptress?
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24 posted 02-21-2010 11:07 AM       View Profile for Falling rain   Email Falling rain   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Falling rain's Home Page   View IP for Falling rain

Demons? Like bat wings and fire? Well no.
Just plain ridiculous.

Although I agree with Essorant's thoughts.

-Zach
 
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