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What is Freedom of Speech?

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Angel Rand
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25 posted 11-01-1999 07:54 PM       View Profile for Angel Rand   Email Angel Rand   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Angel Rand

Roxane, I wholeheartedly and totally agree with your statements here. This is exactly what I tried to say. Thank you for putting it clearer than I could . Except that I don't agree with Sartre's philosophy as a whole but that is the only point.
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Brad
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26 posted 11-02-1999 04:06 AM       View Profile for Brad   Email Brad   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Brad

Maybe this should go on another thread and maybe I'll do it later. Ron mentioned that if Nazis and Jews should be separated, then should we separate blacks and whites or even men or women? However, would Nazis in a Jewish community actually be interested in a public debate concerning the value of Jewish culture and religion? Wouldn't they simply argue that the only 'facts' they believe in are those they have concocted for themselves. Everything else is a conspiracy created by none other than the Jews. They already 'know' the 'truth'. They are not interested in pluralism or a diversity of views, only in spouting their own racist views and inciting a riot for publicity. They are not interested in conversation, only in speech making. Perhaps the constitution should be ammended to read a right to conversation, not to speech making.

Is this situation applicable to the other dualities mentioned by Ron? Should nazis be able to speak? Yes. Should those that disagree with them also be able to debate? Yes.

Perhaps free speech is not a 'right' as such but a necessity because any one of us can be wrong.

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I see a lot of mixing of the ideas of "freedom of speech" which Starman addressed admirably, and society's view on whether or not certain speech is acceptable.

This web site has seen a lot of the latter, defensed by the former. Rude remarks, unseemly poetry, obnoxious behavior... all of which could be viewed unacceptable by the PIP society. When these breaches of social contract were admonished, the usual reply was "Freedom of Speech, this is America isn't it?"

The right to say something is completely different than whether or not that something should be said. Oft times, the laws of the nation do not run the nation, it is the culture of the nation that runs the show.
 
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