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desperado
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0 posted 10-06-1999 09:48 PM       View Profile for desperado   Email desperado   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for desperado

what is "up"? is it a place? a thing? a direction? if it's a direction, then what is it in relationship to north? if you are upside-down, then does "up" change direction? is "up" something that makes sense to one person alone? could I point a gun "up" and hit the surface of the earth, while standing on it? are "up" and "down" opposites? or can they both be the same? for that matter, what is "down"? does this circular thought bother "you"? does it enlighten "you"? for that matter, what are "you"? are "you" real? are "you" a figment of my imagination? are "you" "up"? are "you" "down"? what is "up"? .....
Tal
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1 posted 10-06-1999 10:25 PM       View Profile for Tal   Email Tal   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Tal

You got me there... but I think "up" is any place that is above you.. at least that's what I think..
Poet deVine
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2 posted 10-06-1999 11:02 PM       View Profile for Poet deVine   Email Poet deVine   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Poet deVine

Up is a matter of perspective....
Skyfyre
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3 posted 10-07-1999 12:54 AM       View Profile for Skyfyre   Email Skyfyre   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Skyfyre

In my dictionary (which weighs a good 30 pounds), the word "up" has 18 definitions and takes up more than half a page in very small print.

This does not count the more than 30 definitions for unique sayings using "up", such as "up and up," "up to," etc.

Essentially, as PDV said, "up" is a matter of perspective ... assuking you are talking about "up" in the physical sense,it is a direction relatively vertical to one's position or vantage point.

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(Now as I hear this bell tolling softly for another, it says to me, "Thou must die.")

Systematic Decay
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4 posted 10-07-1999 01:02 AM       View Profile for Systematic Decay   Email Systematic Decay   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Systematic Decay

I think that "up" is the opposite of the way gravity is pulling. It makes sense. Gravity holds us down, so since up is the opposite of down, it makes sense that up is opposite of the way gravity is pulling.

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Brad
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5 posted 10-07-1999 05:47 AM       View Profile for Brad   Email Brad   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Brad

Systematic Decay has a definition that I've heard before and that there's no 'up' in space. I prefer Poet DeVine's (and Nochtdraco's) about perspective.

Do you have any problem with left and right being perspectival based?

What's wrong with opposites being the same?

And here we hit on something really interesting (well, I think so). Many times absolute opposites become the same thing from a human point of view. If we live in a closed universe for example, absolute up and down are the same thing. Or rather, without a specific, arbitrary reference point you can't tell the difference. It's the perspective that allows so much of what we say actually to make sense. Relativity and Quantum Mechanics say the same thing (but in different ways).

Without an established, arbitrary perspective, you can't say anything.

Think about it (or have a drink; some of this stuff can certainly drive someone to drink),
Brad
Justin Kace
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6 posted 10-07-1999 08:04 AM       View Profile for Justin Kace   Edit/Delete Message     View IP for Justin Kace

Huh? I thought UP was the Unknown Poet...
Justin Thyme
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7 posted 10-07-1999 11:40 AM       View Profile for Justin Thyme   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Justin Thyme

UP and DOWN and LEFT and RIGHT are all descriptions of 3-dimensions, of which YOU are in the midst of.

THYME, on the other hand, is the 4th-dimension.

Now, I have a question of you. Is "desperado" a pen-name for: (a) a desperately curious individual, (b) a character from a song popular in the '70s, (c) a joker, or (d) all of the above ?

Just curious. Thanks for posing these deep, philosophical questions about the time-space mystery.

signed--
Thyme: The Fourth Dimension
 
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