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the_loner_23
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0 posted 2003-02-10 11:42 PM


Sometimes I feel as if
I have no talent
Like nobody likes my work
But people say they do

Sometimes I work hard
So hard
I get a headache
But sometimes
Still go unrecognized

People think I whine
moan
and complain
But they no not how hard I work
And yet feel like I have no talent

Sometimes I just want to quit
But something tells me
Don't give up yet
You might just find your talent
Even if it is not what
Your doing at the moment

So at the moment
I have no talent
But I will keep on working
Until I find it

Cold hands means a warm heart

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ThunderMage
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1 posted 2003-02-10 11:43 PM


You're showing it to us now.

What is life without poetry and adventure?
"Little sister" is just another way of saying "Guardian Angel"!
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2 posted 2003-02-10 11:44 PM


Don't get discouraged. Keep working on your writing and it will get better. A lot of my work sinks like a stone too. I don't count replies...if I like what I've written, then that's ok. I'm the only one I have to please.
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3 posted 2003-02-10 11:54 PM


I'll tell you a secret that I have learned (and re-learned) the hard way: You know the feeling you're talking about here, that you just don't have what it takes to say what you're trying to say, but you're determined to bone-head your way through it?

That's when you do some of your best work, because you do what you have to do in order to make it right. It's also when you learn most from what you're doing.

When you think you're doing oh-so-wonderfully and wow is this ever going to impress your friends, be very careful then, because you're probably writing pap that will impress ONLY your friends.

That's my experience anyway, though I suspect it's fairly universal.

This work, by the way, is a nice read.

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4 posted 2003-02-10 11:59 PM


Oh yeah, I almost forgot that I have an assignment for you.

Just read this: http://www.pbs.org/wnet/foolingwithwords/Ppiercy_poem3.html

I think it applies to you.

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5 posted 2003-02-11 12:00 PM


To me, poetry is more about putting ideas and feelings across, than knowing the so-called do's and don'ts and various techniques. You communicate your feelings very well. You are open and state what's on your mind. There are many very gifted writers in this forum and most of them have been writing for years and years. You just keep on expressing yourself and the finesse will come and your talent (which you do have btw!) will continue to grow! I can see how much that you have grown as a writer in the time that I have been at Passions. Don't get discouraged, dear Julie. You are just experiencing the growing pains that most writers go through at one time or another during their creative journey.

Warm hugs,
EA

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6 posted 2003-02-11 12:01 PM


We all feel this way at times.  I'm published, yet often feel as if I can't write anything of worth.  Don't be discouraged.  Work on your writing, as we all do.  As writers, we all want to grow in our craft, you'll do the same.  Your poetry is honest and that's what poetry is all about.  You're doing well, so keep doing it.     

The stars will shine when I am gone,
the earth will turn on as before,
the gulls, still race along the shore,
the morning star, still kiss the dawn

Jason Lyle
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7 posted 2003-02-11 12:02 PM


If you want discouragement,post on http://www.ablemuse.com/erato/Ultimate.cgi they have crushed my work day after day,but yet the same work is understood here.I see your talent simply in this poem about lack of talent. nice poem!
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8 posted 2003-02-11 12:02 PM


Julie, I love to read your poems. All of them are from your heart. Keep writing and I'll keep reading...

"Love makes the world go around"
~~with love and hugs from Ethel~~  
                  

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9 posted 2003-02-11 03:49 AM


silly you
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10 posted 2003-02-11 09:41 AM


Well???? Didja read it? Huh? Huh? Huh?
Is Ratleader not correct that Marge Piercy's poem "For The Young Who Want To" is all about you? Tolja so!

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11 posted 2003-02-11 09:51 AM


loner - I am not a "poet", nor do I fantasize that I am. I started off writing little "poems" for my daughter capturing her life as she grew, and then switched to writing for my hubby. He loves anything I write!! lol. Bless him. I believe that it takes alot of courage for us common folk to post our writings anywhere for that matter. So, we should be proud that we did so and not worry about how many people sign.
  But you know what loner? I like you wonder why my hard work often goes unnoticed. It's just our need to be appreciated & accepted. You dear young lady are on both counts.
  Keep writing and I will keep reading...even if I am lax in signing. hugs, Chris

Bill Charles
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12 posted 2003-02-11 09:58 AM


the_loner_23 - if you were of no talent, you wouldn't be writing poetry like this...

BC

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13 posted 2003-02-11 10:08 AM


If you are looking for affirmation, you'll get it here!  I've no doubt you have MANY talents!  More importantly, you have an expressive, tender heart, which has nothing to do with talent - it's a much more valuable thing!  It saddens me to see you doubt in this way.  But I must say, this is something we all feel from time to time - you are not alone.  

Hugs,
Rf

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14 posted 2003-02-12 09:21 AM




(big hugggssssssss) I never started writing until my hero Mr. Ernewein told e "there is no wrong answer and nothing to be ashamed of" in what you write! He proved it to me when he read me his memoirs, and now I truly believe in it more and more each day. To me the best poetry is the most honest poetry, and you certainly are one of the most honest people I have ever known! You talk about being teased, verbally abused, the cats you love, and everyone can feel it, and that is what a poet does, makes you FEEL. And you certainly know how to make us FEEL. (sigh) Never get so hard on yourself, for you are one remarkable voice to us all, God Bless You, we all love you so much! You have such a beautiful heart, sweet Julie, thank you for sharing!



May love and light always shine upon you!

Love,
Noah Eaton

"Underneath your clothes there's an endless story..."

Shakira

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15 posted 2003-02-12 12:25 PM


Noah makes some excellent points.  Honesty is an important aspect of poetry, as is the communication of feeling.  But if you truly feel that your work requires improvement, and that you in fact "have no talent," there are many things you can do to try and build on whatever talent you do have, and use it in your writing, building and discovering new talents along the way, and using those.  Remember:  talent is NOT something you are given, it is something you create.

I think that the diversity in poets lies in the diversity of our poetic talents.  Any of the poets whom I respect on this site have developed a strong, recognizable style based on the applications of their talents.  You should try to find what poetic skills you truly do have, such as honesty, and learn to build that into your poetry.  There's nothing wrong with leaning on the best aspects of your writing and neglecting the very worst.  Try to focus on what you know, and you just might find that's all you need in order to write well.

Your critique message says to be truthful, and I'm going to take this seriously and offer you a critique, not only because of your message but also because of the subject matter of this poem... you seem to me someone who is interested in growth, so I'm going to try and give you a little guidance from my point of view.  Please, if you don't wish to take my advice, I understand... but do not think that I am being insulting, alright?  Reading this reminds me of a lot of my early work, and I'd like to give you some pointers from my point of view.

I have to ask you, how do you write poetry?  This reads through like a monologue, but I think what it lacks is further poetic technique.  Notice how if you eliminate the line breaks in this poem, it forms a phrase, as though you are simply talking.  This is a common fault in developing writers, it's nothing to be ashamed of.  Some might not even call it a fault, but I found that overcoming it was useful.

What you might like to try doing is seeing each line individually, trying to make every individual line speak something in particular.  Remember that in poetry, each line can stand completely apart from its surroundings.  When you read your poetry out loud, try taking breaks between the line breaks and see if it still sounds like it makes sense.

This is a good place to start, but it's also important to learn and speak in a poetic language that is different from your usual speaking language, otherwise it's not so much a poem as it is a simple rant or monologue.  When you talk about your feelings, do not use common terms to describe them.  Use your imagination... close your eyes and describe your feelings with your own words.  Use the individual words, not the common phrases that come to mind, and write with those.  Try metaphor, similie, et cetera.

You have the most important ingredient to being a successful poet... and that is the will to learn.  Poetry is completely within your grasp, talent is not something you should say you "do not have," because it isn't something you have or don't have... it's something you develop or neglect.  As a poet, it's your responsibility to develop.

Best of luck in future writings.  I'll check in from time to time to see how you're doing.  

Parasite

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~ Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche

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16 posted 2003-02-12 01:43 PM




I wholeheartedly agree with LP!

And I'd also like to add the following advice to you if you are trying to find ways to enhance your imagination. Again, follow your heart and you don't have to take everything I say here seriously, but these are just some possibilities:



First of all, let me be frank. One thing that really inspires much of my poetry is my love to reading literature. I truly believe the more you read, the more inspirations you get, the more of the world you learn about, the more familiar you are with things you used to never be accustomed to. For instance, I read a lot of Walt Whitman and Henry David Thoreau, but I also love to read childrens books, Harry Poter, fantasy, the newspaper, Gabriel Garcia Marquez, psalms and praises, etc.



Listening to music is also how I get the "metronome" to my poetry! Of course don't imitate any artists lyrics, but look in the background of them, and envision where you see yourself. And it may seem quite strange, but as Adam Duritz of Counting Crows sings, "Every word is nonsense but I understand it!". So as LP said, don't be ashamed to sound so colorful.

Next, get involved more with the social community. Listen to people and their stories, see what they have to say, and you don't have to join in on the conversation, but everyone has a story to tell so diffuse in the culture, then relate to it by trying to step into those others shoes. Bob Dylan and Jack Kerouac are known for that and that is what makes them great troubadours of literature, and you have a story deep down that is just itching to get out one chapter by one chapter which is precious.



You can even use your body or spatial skills to write great poetry! One thing I do sometimes is get a whole bunch of old magazines, cut out images that jump out to me, make collages, then write my initial response to my creation. Also, go on walks to parks and beautiful landmarks, and feel the world around you and just say what you really feel.

The possibilites are endless, but you have the soul, you have the music, you have the poetry in you. Poetry came from the Latin word poesia, meaning 'to create", so let your heart paint with all its glory, for you are a creator of true beauty!



Love,
Noah Eaton


"Underneath your clothes there's an endless story..."

Shakira

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17 posted 2003-02-12 02:10 PM


Zowy! Your poem sure got the attention of LP and Noah! Their responses showed that your poem affected them in their individual ways!---and I paid close attention to what they both had to say! That was the icing on the cake for me! Thank you!---and LP and Noah!!!

Valentine hugs and cinnamon hearts to you all!

Linda

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18 posted 2003-02-12 02:21 PM


That's cuz deep down, all of us wonder if we have talent. We know, but knowing and feeling different things. This poem struck a resonance because of that -- which says something about the person who wrote it, eh?

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