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I have heard nothing but good about this so far. A company i used to formally work for (and have been contracting with for over a year now) updated their entire system with it.

Uhmm... any other comments? It makes me nervous to hear nothing but good about a product... especially a Microsoft one.
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From a technical standpoint, XP is what Win2000 probably should have been in the first place. Stable. Faster. More robust. I find most of the new features a bit silly, but that's a personal take and a fairly minor gripe.

Most of the complaints I've heard about XP center, not on its technical merits, but rather on its social implications. For example, here's an article about the XP Media Player, which tracks the CDs and DVDs you use and sends a report to one of Microsoft's web servers. Excuse me?

A friend of mine installed XP a few weeks ago and told me he found four individual programs that try to connect to the Internet every time he boots. I'm not a paranoid person by nature, but think Microsoft is definitely raising the specter of Big Brother here.

If you don't mind spending the time to educate yourself and then some more time undoing what MS set in motion, I think most of their privacy-violating hooks can be removed. The forum participants at TweakXP.com seem to have a fix for just about all the problems. They also have a lot of good info on making XP faster and easier to use.
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i remember now hearing something along these lines now that i've read this article...

it concerns me as well, not just that they're doing, but that i'm afraid that by buying the software, we're allowing it to happen...

hmm

thanks ron for the link, a lot to ponder
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Seems like the logical spot for HELP???  In using my Windows XP today, my Search Companion bugged out on me [somehow, someway.  I have added nothing new, nor gone anywhere but into Word, E-mail and here!]

Here's the scenario.  I'm in my HP pavilion mx 70 computer.  All things are working fine.  I have e-mail open.  I'm on IE.  I'm in Word.  I go to Start, My Computer, Owners Documents, my folder "Karilea" that contains my files on poetry, And in the left column I see "File and Folder Tasks", "other places" and "details" and in the right column I have my various folders.  I want to do a "search" and hit on the magnifying glass "search".  What comes up is...

"A file that is required to run Search Companion cannot be found.  You may need to run setup.  [Then there is the OK button]"

Ok.  Where do I go from here?  I cannot seem to find "setup" in my search through "Start" under "Owner" and under "accessories."

Chris?  Ron?  Please???  I've got 1500 poetry files and use my search on key words to find something I want to tweak.  I've worked on this all day.  I'm begging....before I pull the cords out of the wall....
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at a loss here Kari - i know they changed the way they worked the help files in XP... but i have no exp with it myself yet... have you tried the forums Ron listed above?
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Click:

Start
Search
For Files or Folders
Choose Documents
Click on Advanced Search
Type in a word or phrase
this is just another way to search the way you have been. If it doesn't work. Gently back out of all your open programs and reboot the computer.
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I have XP by the way.
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http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/en/default.asp


You should check at this link for updates...I find one a month that I need. And some of them are critical...
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My search neither works through "Start" nor through My Computer.

I just downloaded all the updates.

Rebooted.

Nada.
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quote:
Ok.  Where do I go from here?  I cannot seem to find "setup" in my search through "Start" under "Owner" and under "accessories."

Setup is on the XP Install CD. Your computer is trying to tell you that a component either wasn't originally installed (unlikely) or has turned up missing or corrupt. It wants you to reinstall, so it can add the necessary component.

With earlier versions of Windows, this has always been "fairly" safe. Follow the correct sequence of prompts, and it will only load what is needed, not actually do a full install (which has the real danger of forcing you to reconfigure everything). However, unlike Sharon, I don't have XP and can't tell you what that correct sequence will be. All you can do is try it and see if the prompts make sense to you (they typically do on older Win versions).

You can also run setup.exe from the Command Prompt, with command line parameters that make it safer. Depends on how comfortable you feel working in DOS mode?
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I'll try the setup.exe  [as opposed to the way they have it set up through Add/Delete hardware...

it's the only thing I HAVEN'T done yet...

but...soon....

I'm clicking off for the night....I've been all day at this...with the exception of the fun I had in SM....

thanks everyone!

[I'll be back!]

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Ron, the setup "CD" was internal in this newer program.  I typed in setup.exe from the Start/Run command, and it told me to go directly to "Control Panel to install and configure systems component".  

I've run the setup through that function.  I've restored to a month previous.  I've grown gray hairs.

I still have no "Search Companion" function.

I will now quit trying to fix it on my own and go directly to HP and see if they can fix this.  I have no idea what caused this to either be removed from the set up...as stated above, the "file" for this is simply not found.

Sharon, have you ever run across this problem?  What is strange is that I frequently use this system and for it to just stop w/out my having added or deleted something is just downright strange.

But I thank you all for your support and assistance!
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Never had this problem. The system actually runs good for me after my initial problems. I still go to http://www.tweakxp.com from time to time to read about issues the others are having. Last night I went looking for a problem such as yours, didn't find it, but DID find out that I have the ability to fax from this computer but it wasn't set up...so I did!!
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Ok, I went to Annoyances.org and posted a query there...this is my first real problem with XP, Sharon, so yikes!

But thanks for the "tweak"...I'll check it out as well!

Happy Easter!
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A Google search for "lost xp search companion" turned up this interesting discussion:

http://pub36.ezboard.com/funofficialsonyfrm7.showMessage?topicID=149.topic

... seems to be a fairly common problem.
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I found this particularly interesting:
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"This advice was given to me when my search companion went south too (for whatever reason??). It worked great. Go into your system (system32) folder and find 'searchasst.inf'. Do a right click on it and select 'install'.  You may be asked to put your Windows XP install disk in to find some files.  Just do it and let it complete. Wahla, it has restored your search companion files and it should work like a champ now. Good luck!"

I went into this folder and I could not find this file. After waiting for search companion to pop up I did a file find, no such animal anywhere!


No kidding.  I had srchasst.Pnf [not .inf]

We're still working on it.

This is the link we are currently in:
http://www.hp.com/cgi-bin/cposupport/printerfriendly.cgi?in=personal_computing/support_doc/bph07514

It looks like we will have to unplug everything and start all over again as if new from the factory.  At least, that's the way I read it.

Before I do so, if you can give me two cents of your time [more like $100.00] and tell me, "Yes, Karilea, you WILL have to back up all of your files before unplugging everything because you WILL lose everything if you don't," I can wait for that info.  

Timing sucks.  This is NOT the time to have to be worrying about my new computer shutting down after three months of use.

Thanks for the link!
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HP apparently hasn't changed a bit. Their documentation is still being cut & pasted out of engineering manuals.

You should always back up your data (not necessarily programs) on a regular basis, and certainly before performing any major updates or upgrades on your system. When I was doing it for a living and other people's businesses depended on my company, I always insisted on TWO backups - because experience long ago taught me that even a backup can fail.

Having said that, however, a full system restore alone "shouldn't" affect data files. It probably WILL require reconfiguring your programs, so you want to make sure you have written records, especially for networking and dial-up connections, or anything else that isn't plug-n-play.

While it's probably not an immediate concern, I would strongly suggest ordering that Recovery CD. I honestly can't believe OEM's are trying to save the cost of a CD by putting the OS install on a HD partition. There are SOOOO many things that can go wrong, turning the computer into an electronic doorstop until you can have the OS mailed to you. Dumb!
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Someday when I have loads of time...I have a story for y'all.

Christopher, consider this thread to be the first LEGITIMATE COMPLAINT about Windows XP.

Hugs, K

where's the Tylenol, Advil and Aleve?
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Considered!

I want to address two things Ron has said here, because i 'disagree' with them.
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Having said that, however, a full system restore alone "shouldn't" affect data files.
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I honestly can't believe OEM's are trying to save the cost of a CD by putting the OS install on a HD partition.
These two tie together... I would imagine, Ron, that you probably build your computers? Still... pre-made computers (ones you buy ready to go from the store) often come out with "Recovery Discs." The BIG problem in my op is that these discs restore the entirety of your system (usually) and not JUST the OS. the OS IS on them, but so is everything your computer originally came with, up to and including those *&^*&%*^% AOL files i spend ten minutes deleting every time i format my computer. This being the case (and i don't know if ALL units have these discs, though i know for sure Compaq and HP come with them) you should DEFINITELY backup your files prior to loading up the disc to recover your computer... because with only one exception in my experience, the recovery discs FORMAT your computer before reinstalling the OS and other programs it originally came with. (this is not to disagree with Ron's suggestion about backing up regularly - i back up about once a week, and keep one disc at my house, one at my mom's... just in case )

Ok. Said my piece.

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You both know the old adage, "live and learn"?  I've been to grad school this weekend....

Ok, here's the scoop on Windows XP. [Sharon, listen up...]

In order to get past the "partition" [and you guys can correct my understanding, I'm just laying it out like I larned it...][spelling emphasis...] one needs to take the less than two seconds that the HP blue window first appears as the machine is turned on and rapidly hit F10 about a dozen times.  This knocks loudly on the door of Windows XP and says "let me the heck in!"  Then you go into a full Reinstall of OS ... or, SETUP.  As if you just bought the dang thing.  

NOW...once we decided this was where we needed to be [in order to reinstall my silly Search Companion] my husband got all excited because we had to do it IMMEDIATELY and he read, "this won't affect your saved files."

Wanna bet?

A side note:
All of Saturday I did my best to work through this by myself ["my computer, my headache" sort of thinking] and by the end of the day, spouse was telling me I was "obsessed" with the computer.  Well, yeah....

By Sunday he decided to tell me how to fix it.  When all of his suggestions were answered, "been there, done that" he joined the Obsession Train.  We even drug my poor brother into the fray and he spent an hour walking me through the Computer Prompt [as you had suggested Ron, working with DOS to find/fix the problem].

That was when my brother was pulling his hair out and saying we had to bite the bullet and order the OS disc.  Well...as Christopher points out, they don't give you an OS disk [if I read Christopher right]...because it's already in the machine.

Of course since the book says we won't lose any files, hubby is eager to "fix it" so against better judgment [and since he's pointing to the book where it says "you won't lose any saved files"] I do the knock-knock, it lets me in, and we spend 20 minutes reinstalling the OS.

Did I lose my files?  No.  Did I lose my Word program that I had installed in addition to their pre-programmed stuff [insert any word you think appropriate, stuff is about as clean as I can make it]...yes.

What happened is that all of my Word files are now WordPad files.  Not Word notebook.  So one of the computer gurus told me today that I will be able to reinstall the Word 2000 program that I like, and then copy over all my files to it.

Sounds almost too logical to think it will work safely.  What I did learn is that any word document I had that was saved by password is now unreadable in WordPad, but I'm hoping that the conversion back will allow me access to them again.

Anyone have anything to add, or advise?  I'm so open to help I'm like a sponge....

and yes, Ron...the moment I get everything converted, I'm saving ALL to disk.

CD that is.

MegaRom.

Ya'll come back in and help me now, y'hear?

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What happened is that all of my Word files are now WordPad files.  Not Word notebook.  So one of the computer gurus told me today that I will be able to reinstall the Word 2000 program that I like, and then copy over all my files to it.

Sounds almost too logical to think it will work safely.  What I did learn is that any word document I had that was saved by password is now unreadable in WordPad, but I'm hoping that the conversion back will allow me access to them again.



Stop worrying Kari! You got that from me.

Your Word files were NOT converted. They weren't even touched. What DID happen, is that your computer now recognizes them differently. When you had Word installed, it told your computer that all files with the ".doc" extension are part of its family, and should be opened by it. When you lost word, the only thing your computer could find that accepts the same ".doc" association, is the default Windows program, Wordpad... a VERY dumbed down version of Word, which is why it won't accept passwords.

The very good news is that once you load up your MS Word program again, everything will be just like you left it, passwords and all, because they were never changed.  

C

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[seeing a little glimmer of hope that will allow my heart to start beating...] does that mean, Christopher, that I won't have to copy over, and they will all automatically be reconverted?

[down on knees and thanking the Computer Gurus....]
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Nope, they won't be "reconverted" Kari... because they were never modified to begin with. The files have stayed the same, only your computer's perception of them has differed.

Uhmm... and I'm not waxing philosophical.

You shouldn't have to do anything at all besides load up Word and act like nothing's changed. (aside from your new compulsion to backup all the time)
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I'm sure you heard that heavy sigh of relief?  Thank you....

thank you veddy veddy much....
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Chris is right on both counts. Your Word documents are just fine and you'll have no trouble at all once you install Word again. In fact, if your data files are okay, there's a good chance Word is still on your hard disk. If you can find the directory where it's setting, it should have its own setup.exe that will re-associate the file extensions and add the program to your menu. If you can do it that way, you won't lose any custom settings you may have already added to Word.

And yea, knowing HP, their idea of a "Recovery Disk" is probably what I would call a binary image file. It's a mirror of what your disk looked like after everything was installed and is probably next to useless. However, if you were able to do an OS restore, then what I was referring to - the actual OS install files - are on that hidden partition "somewhere," too. Finding them on the hidden partition, however, would take some potentially dangerous magic.

FWIW, Chris, I've bought two off-the-shelf computers in my life, but treated both exactly the same way as those built from individual components. The first was an HP, circa 1995 (actually bought for a customer who turned out to not pay his bills), and the second was a Dell, about two years ago (because there aren't a lot of computer stores in Colon). In both instances, the first step was to format the hard disk and then lay down MY operating system of choice. It was when I thought back to the HP that I realized what you meant because, yea, it came with a binary image CD, not a "real" OS. The Dell, however, did come with a true OS CD, just not the one I wanted (Win ME was a step backward from Win98, IMO).

Not incidentally, Karilea, the Dell is a P4 1200 MHz and was meant to replace my slower P3 400 MHz machine. In two years, however, I've never quite found the time to configure the new machine and still use it for little more than a file server. My P3 just keeps chugging along, eliminating any real sense of urgency.

Now that you're an Install Expert, you can drop over some time and finish the job for me?


 
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