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Ah, before I come to help...

I have successfully reloaded Word, all my documents are fine. [Thank you Chris!] I went to back up [using Windows XP backup system - Veritas] and on the first disk, after attempting to download the files [or save the files to disk] I got the message

"One or more of your files did not compare to their original.  It is recommended you try to create your disc again.  Please remember to shut down all applications while disc creation is in progress."

OK.  Nothing was working/on/running EXCEPT the discwriter.  So I put in a new disc.  Now, the same message appeared the second time.  EXCEPT...I cannot remove the disc.  HELP?  [In other words, the dang thing won't eject!!!]

This is an April Fool's joke, right?  NOT...
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Ok good.  Went back into the program and was able to get the disk out without a crowbar and hatchet.  

April Fool's is officially over...
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27 posted 04-01-2002 08:23 PM       View Profile for Christopher   Email Christopher   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Christopher

FYI - if, in the future, you ever have trouble ejecting a disc from your CD-Rom, there is a small hole on the face which, if you take a long paperclip or something equally strong and slender, you can insert in that hole which releases the tray, allowing you to open the drive. This works with or without the power on, though, of course, you should always try and see if you can open it the "right" way.

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28 posted 04-01-2002 09:09 PM       View Profile for Ron   Email Ron   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Ron's Home Page   View IP for Ron

It sounds as if you're backing up directly from the hard disk to a R/W CD-ROM?

I'm not familiar with your program, but I've used a lot of other backup programs, and most of them have to be configured for a full backup to work. For example, if it tries to back up a file that's "in use" it has to know whether you want it to skip the file (yes) or wait until the file is released (no). This is important because Windows keeps some files open and, in this day and age, even when you have "nothing" running, there is always something running.

I'm guessing since I don't have XP, but chances are good you can get to Task Manager with a Ctrl-Alt-Delete sequence. If not, you might find it in the Start menu? At any rate, Task Manager will tell you what is running even when it looks like nothing is running. If one of those programs changes a file AFTER it's been written to the CD, you'll get the error message you saw. What's on the CD no longer matches what is on the hard disk, so you get the verifcation error. If ANYTHING is running in the background except Windows (and sometimes even Windows), it's probably writing to the disk and causing your problem.

There are several possible solutions to the problem, most of which are nasty. Using TM to shut down non-essential programs is the best, but requires knowing which are essential and which aren't. Not recommended. Turning off verification in your backup program is probably the next-best option, but it means finding out WHERE to turn it off in the configuration screens. Turning it off basically tells the program to NOT check for differences, but to just assume what's on the CD is good. This should work and very little danger.

What I would do, assuming you know where your data resides and the program allows it, is just do a data backup rather than a full backup. Getting your OS/Programs off a backup CD later is problematic, at best, making a full backup in today's world of limited use. Even if you need those, it's usually easier to just reinstall unless you know exactly which files you want to restore. That being the case in most cases, a data backup is all you'll ever need. The fact a data backup will run MUCH faster means it'll get done more often. And, most importantly for you, none of those programs running in the background have any business changing those data files while you're trying to do a backup.
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Just letting you guys know I've checked in to quickly read your stuff, but will come back and take it in fully as soon as I get my PRINTER reinstalled.  Now it's giving me troubles...

I think someone planned this....just for 4/1/2002.

I'll be back.
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So Ron, if I read this correctly, if I am just copying my word document files, I will run into this problem?  I figured perhaps it was reading the "backups" of certain files, and therefore, "did not compare to their originals."

I'll try again tomorrow.  I've finally gotten all of my extra equipment hooked back up and one project done [outside of hooking everything back up and getting Word to work again] for tomorrow's night [heh heh] Poetry Reading gathering.  Something I think I'm going to really look forward to - and away from the computer!

Thanks again you two, for all of your help! K
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31 posted 04-01-2002 11:28 PM       View Profile for Christopher   Email Christopher   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Christopher

Actually... I don't think that's exactly what Ron's saying.

If i gather right, he's suggesting exactly what i do - don't do a "backup" - instead, copy the files you want (word, etc.) over the CD just as if you would have an old floppy. THAT is your backup.

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32 posted 04-02-2002 05:13 AM       View Profile for Ron   Email Ron   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Ron's Home Page   View IP for Ron

What Chris said.

Backup JUST the data instead of the whole drive.
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Ok.  What I was trying to do was take the initial document file, i.e., "Karilea's folder" which contained all of the subfiles.

I will dig a little lower down into the folders and copy them instead of going from Karilea's folder on down.

Tonight.  After I have some fun.  Heaven knows, there's not been much fun lately.

You guys are awesome.  Thanks again!
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Backing up "Karilea's folder" should work, without going any deeper. There's only two reasons why it mightn't. One, if there's a file in there that is not data. Two, if there's a bug in your backup program. You obviously have no control over the latter, but unfortunately, you really don't have a lot of control over the former, either. Even if you find a system or program file hidden in with your data, moving it elsewhere will probably cause something to break. I just hate programs that write their data where ever they please!

See if you can find an "Options" or "Preferences" screen in the backup program, Karilea. Somewhere in there, you should be able to find a way to turn off Verification on the backup.
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I will look for those options Ron.  It's all this "other stuff" that I hardly ever get in to that is hard to keep in my own computer [read head] system....

I doubt that I will get to this tonight.  But get to it I will, and I will definitely check back in with you guys to let you know the success/failure that I experience.

Can't you guys just come over and sit in my chair and fix it?  I can feed you all you want....
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37 posted 05-16-2002 03:20 AM       View Profile for Christopher   Email Christopher   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Christopher

Well - now we're seeing the opposite of this problem. LOL - but i think it's more likely an error on my part than anything else, and thankfully one that i can easily rectify.

I've had XP up for several days now, and i LOVE it. I haven't crashed a single time. I love the interface, the options, the stacking, the ease of setting up the network (as well as any drivers, etc). it's beautiful!

had two problems so far - the first was that XP didn't have the correct driver for my video card. The was rectified by using the "Start in VGA mode" option, then d/l the new driver. Yay!

Second - trying to copy files from my backup cd to the computer... uhmm.. and some of them aren't working! yikes. still though, i've a feeling that's due more to a bad copy than a prob with XP. Thankfully, all my recent work is either accessible on the cd (some parts i can get, some i can't, go figure) or here at Pip. Thanks for the temporary backup space Ron.
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LOL. I promise, Chris, that I won't point you back to my other post in this thread where I recommend TWO backups.

Oops. I guess I just did.

Are you addressing any of the security issues yet, Chris?
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39 posted 05-16-2002 11:16 AM       View Profile for Christopher   Email Christopher   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Christopher

lol - actually, i almost always do.

this time - i loaded up XP because i crashed. hard. i had just backed up the day before however, and hadn't made an extra copy (or tested the one i had made)

doh.

and yes, you just did! LOL
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there's another problem with HP's (specifically HP's) binary image files - their "Recovery Disk" set that comes with their boxes runs a check on your hardware before it will attempt to restore anything - and if it doesn't find the original, HP-installed, factory spec hardware, it won't work at all.
down to the MAC address on the NIC card.

yuck.

XP - personally i tried XP, and after fighting with it for months i went back to 2000 - simply because i was able to get patches for the things that were broken in 2000, and XP still has a ton of issues floating around that haven't been resolved.

frankly, i have procured myself a second computer and am busily teaching myself Linux, because i am tired of M$' attempts to take over my computer entirely. if i want to play a CD, i shouldn't have Media Player trying to log on to the internet to tell M$ what disk i'm playing, and whether it's an original or a backup; "error reports" to M$, checks with M$ "to see if my system is legal" before it will allow me to get any files from M$....
um, no.
M$ has a legitimate complaint that people steal their software, but to be fair, they charge entirely too much for the software in the first place, especially considering how bug-ridden and crashable it is. the result is that they are charging entirely too much money for an "operating system" that consists of windows 2000 with a lot more wizards, a bit better memory management algorithm, and way more security holes - not to mention more security features than operating files.

i can live without it, thanks.
i can live without CPRM, i can live without "error reports," i can live without gaping security holes, and i can live without XP. out of the 30 people in my computer networking class, only one still uses XP - the rest are all on either linux or 2000.

not for me. maybe someone else might think the wizards are great, but don't be under illusions, folks. windows XP IS windows 2000, only with more problems. it IS pretty - but that's all.

-Dave
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41 posted 05-22-2002 06:14 AM       View Profile for Christopher   Email Christopher   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Christopher

still not having any problems with XP here. Loving every minute of it... hey, that could be a song

As to the difference between it and 2000, you're almost right Dave. it is the same technology. Personally, i think it's a lot less buggy than 2000 (which i've run off of before). However, the biggest difference, i think, it that the general public finds XP more affordable than 2000/NT.
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42 posted 05-22-2002 09:39 AM       View Profile for NapalmsConstantlyConfused   Email NapalmsConstantlyConfused   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for NapalmsConstantlyConfused

i guess the bugs (or lack thereof) in any operating system are largely dependent on the user.

allow me to explain before jumping on me:

different applications use different portions of the operating system. while it's virtually impossible for any section of code written for anything to be "perfect," there are certainly varying degrees of bugginess present between the different sections of the operating platform.
Windows 2000's terrible, nightmarish page memory handling, for example.
some things work fine, and some don't.

thus: i guess it depends what you're using it for. a friend of mine who uses his computer almost exclusively for internet surfing tells me that he loves it up and down.
another friend of mine, who uses his XP machine for programming, says it's barely tolerable, and the only reason he keeps it is the driver library.

personally, i use mine split about evenly three ways, as a word processor / internet tool / game design platform, and in my experience it has been miserable. the memory handling, i will say, is great - it came virtually straight out of linux, lmao.
however, the graphics rendering, for all that the system is "pretty," falls short when it comes to gaming-type applications.
3d Game Studio, even the version written specifically for windows XP, had about a 1 in 8 chance of causing a total system failure every time i started it.
it works well with static media files, but for some reason anything requiring on-the-fly 3d rendering just plain gave it fits.
i WOULD say it was my video card - except i tried, during that time, about 4 video cards, and about the same number of sound cards, trying to find the hardware that Xp liked the best. among them: an ATI radeon 8500, a voodoo 5, a daytona "generic" card, and (my baby) a geforce 4.
the combination that ended up working the best, surprisingly, was the geforce 4, with a turtle beach montego sound card. XP just plain didn't like the sound blaster cards prior to the audigy.

out of curiosity, i decided to test my system out and try the various versions of windows on it, so i dug around and found all my original windows discs that i've bought since 95, and tried it.
my system is on a epoX 8k7a motherboard with 512 crucial DDR 2100, and an athlon XP 1700+ processor.
my results were annoying.
Xp came in last FOR WHAT I DO WITH IT. it looked great on paper, but when it came to actual performance of the kinds of things for which i use the system, it scored way lower, both on PCmark and on 3dmark, and my load times for 3dgamestudio were significantly, noticeably longer than in any other version of windows.
so i decided to go with my current configuration: using windows 2000 / ME multi-booted, so i can use 2000 for my word processing  / internet whatevers, and ME for gaming.
while i tend to agree with Ron that 98 worked better than ME did, again, for the specific things that i use it for, ME ran better.

maybe M$ will make huge, vast leaps forward and bring the whole operating system up to the standard set by the parts that work. i hope so. but until and unless they do - Chris, you're welcome to it.
Need an extra copy of professional? i guarantee i won't be using THAT disk again, lol.
-Dave
a postscript here - unless you really, really love downloading drivers from cryptic websites that are ridiculously difficult to navigate, do NOT buy an ATI video card. their on-disc drivers are terrible, and getting around the ATI website is a nightmare.
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i think you have a good point Dave - it does depend on what the person is using it for. I use mine for word processing, internet, scripting (html, perl, etc.), as well as 2d and 3d design (autocad et al) and photo/graphics (photo paint, adobe). So far, nothing seems to be a problem, and the 3d design gobbles up a LOT of memory!!!

Ironic - i had problems with my ATI video card... lol. had to go to their website to find the right drivers... however, i must have got lucky, because i found them right away.
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I realise this is an old post but I don't suppose the problem has been fixed and even if it has, there will be others at some point. I have been using 'puters for close to twenty years and found the most efficient way to side-step all of these difficulties was to install a second HDD. I install the OS ona  small very fast HDD and all programmes and files ona  large HDD. That way, a re-format and re-install of the OS takes two to three hours on a slow 'puter and a quick registery edit to adjust setting for whatever programmes require it. Truth is, the latter is not so quick coz I always have to re-learn how to do it. haha

I guess one becomes content with one’s poetry when one opens the book ten years hence and does NOT exclaim, “Did I really write this?”

 
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