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Without being provided with you static IP address, is there any way of configuring Microsoft Proxy Server in order for it to go out and look for the dinamic IPs. Or is it too much of a hassle to use software and just jump into hardware by just getting a Cicso/Linksys router to do the job?

No, the IP address is not provided by the DSL provder cause it's suppose to be a residential account. Only the commercial account gets it, but it's a lot more expensive.

I know the router does the job, but it's more cost

Any suggestions?


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What are you trying to accomplish? What's the end result?
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I know that if you use the router, I can share the one line on the whole network. But I'm playing around with Microsoft porxy server, and I can't seem to get it going. I asked a friend of mine, but he was too arrogant and just told me proxy server is the old way of doing it. All I wanted to know is if there's a way to do it with proxy server without being provided the IP information.

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3 posted 03-13-2001 04:00 PM       View Profile for Christopher   Email Christopher   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Christopher

Acire... I'm with Ron - what's the end result? If you're looking at trying to share a web connection, and are using Windows 98 or above, then the you can configure the OS software to automatically find the IP (In the TCP/IP settings of your Network Properties).

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Right now, I'm playing with an NT server with Small business, and it come with Microsoft Proxy Server. This is what I'm trying to configure. Unfortunately, Proxy server doesn't allow you to configure it, as far as I know, to obtain an IP adress automatically, it only allows me to enter a static IP. I was wondering if it can still be done without the IP or domain information. In this case, the ISP which provides the DSL will not give the info cause it's a residential account. They would only do it for a commercial account. Just playing with proxy server, that's it

Well, basically, I'm trying to go around it. I am able to already by using a router. Just wondering if the software can do exactly what the router is doing.

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When you say NT, I'm assuming you mean 4.x rather than Win2000? I doubt you'll be able to do it with that (old technology, ya know).

Chris, does Win98 allow sharing a TCP connection, like ME and Win2000 does? Or are you just talking about finding the IP address?

The point being, Acire, that the newer versions of Windows (ME and 2000) have software built in for sharing a connection between multiple computers. I haven't used it (I hate sharing), but it sounded pretty simple to configure.

However, if all you need to do is find the current IP, then it's not a problem. Shell out to the Command Prompt (DOS) and type in ipconfig. That's your IP address (if there are two ethernet adapters showing, look for the one with a Default Gateway).
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Ron, so you do believe that Windows NT 4.x is eventually gonna be replaced by Windows 2000?

Yes, I was talking about sharing a TCP connection. It's just that a friend of mine mentioned that it can be done thru proxy server and wouldn't tell me how. I got curious and tried to figure it out and couldn't get it. I just thought you knew a trick to it.

I guess what others say is true when they say, "why go software when it's easier to go hardware"

Thanks Ron -- now my mind is at peace

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Yes Ron, it allows sharin. Elizabeth and I have our computers here networked, and share the DSL connect this way. (as a matter of fact, her comp has ME and mine has 98 [due to errors in running some of my CAD programs here now that I'm working at home... since I no longer have to drive to the Bay every day, I won't complain too much about having to go back to 98...])

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Chris --- Is this a pier to pier connection or do you go thru a hub or router?

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Ethernet acire. No hub, unit-to-unit... though I could use a hub no problem and achieve the same results.

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That's not an either/or question, Acire - you're talking about two different levels of the networking architecture.

Peer to Peer (i.e., Peer: one who is equal in social standing) simply means a network where there are no "boss" computers. Everyone on the network is a "client," typically with a human at the keyboard, and all the clients do all the work. That is differentiated from a "File Server" network, where one computer (or perhaps just a few, in the case of a large network) control all the resources, and the File Server is responsible for most of the work. File Server networks requires a Network Operating System (NOS), such as Novell or NT Server. There is also a Client/Server Network, a hybrid where the work is shared, but that's more "future tech" and not really supported by many software packages yet.

The type of network is essentially the Application Layer, the highest of the seven levels defined by the OSI Model. When you start talking about hubs, routers, switches, or direct connect, you're talking about the Physical Layer, which is the lowest of the seven.

While there is a lot of blurring in the past ten years, a hub is really nothing more than a power booster. Remember, you are sending electrical current along that twisted pair and very low levels of current at that. The hub accepts the signal from one computer, then boosts it so it can be sent a little farther than would otherwise be possible. In the old, old days, computers were daisy chained together to create a network, creating a lot of potential problems (not the least of which was what happened when someone in the middle had hardware problems, effectively bringing down the whole network). How they were daisy chained came to be known as the topology and was a subject of vigorous debate (star versus ring, etc). All of today's hubs also perform some time of collision detection, a phenomenon that happens when two computers try to "talk" over the same wire at the same time.

A router is essentially a hub with more intelligence. When a datagram comes into a hub, the device boosts the signal and sends it out over ALL the other wires. Every computer on the network gets the message, though usually all but one will ignore it. A router is smart enough to look at the datagram packet, especially the routing information (the IP number in a TCP/IP network) and send it only where it's needed (down to the subnet - which is where the subnet mask in your Control Panel comes into play). This cuts down on the "Broadcast" traffic on the network and is an essential component to building larger networks. Without routers, there would so much yelling across the wires that any network larger than a few hundred computers could never get any real work accomplished. For smaller networks, a router is more luxury than necessity.

Fifteen years ago, networking was a mish mash of different standards and it took a lot of experience (and antacids) to get them to work together. Today we are down to just three big standards. Token Ring is the IBM standard and probably will be around a while longer. IPX/SPX is the Novell standard and, with the release of Novell 5.x, on its way to becoming extinct. TCP/IP, of course, is for the rest of the world. Things are getting downright easy these days.  
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I know what you mean about those BNCs Ron One connection goes down, the whole thing goes down.

I didn't know that Win98(even 2nd edition) is actually that advanced
That's why I asked that question

Who's sharing the connection Chris
Is it the 98 or the ME?
Is this with a Static IP?
Sorry if I have so many questions, just trying to learn more.
There is always room to grow i guess

Ron --- you really think Novell is gonna be extinct?

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THe computer with 98 is the 'main' one, and shares the connection with the one running ME. It is a static IP, but my brother, who has a dynamic IP, runs a similar setup at his house - the exception being that both his units run 98.

And ask away, that's what this is for, right? All three of us have learned something in this thread!

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