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Daddy Goose38
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Deservies universal ridicule and contempt.
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There are so many presidents in the world.  Which one could you possibly be talking about?
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http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/obama-invokes-executive-privilege-holder-faces-contempt-vote-143710603.html

Another example of Obama's pledge of transparency.

I don't think there is any doubt which president he is referring to. This president is despicable.
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I can not understand why some people are schocked by this.  Mr. Obama absolutely is acting in character.  He is a morally corrupt, delusional narcissist with no ethical nor moral center, and he believes he should not be held accountable under the law for his actions.  Where is the surprise?
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No surprise of his character, icebox. That has always been a given. The surprise is only that he would try to pull it off. I'm reminded of an old Groucho remark, "I'd never join a club that would have me as a member." Perhaps he feels the American people are basically stupid enough to swallow this, since they were stupid enough to elect him in the first place.
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His campaign has now set up an Event Registry for folks to donate to him in lieu of giving wedding, birthday and anniversary gifts to their friends and family! LOL! Desperate much? It is getting so much ridicule it will probably be taken down shortly. This is a new low from the folks who have brought you the lunch and dinner with the Obamas raffles.

Sorry Barry, the piggy bank is empty.
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[Edit Address the topic, Essorant, not the posters. - Ron]

[This message has been edited by Ron (06-24-2012 11:41 PM).]

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Ron,

I don't understand your reasoning.  

I mentioned that I wondered how their minds [Edit - "They" are not the subject of the thread, Essorant. President Obama, who is a public figure, is the subject. - Ron]

Can you please show me how or why you consider that as wrong?   Questioning one's mentality and behaviour toward someone/something is not acceptable at Passions?    

[Edit - First, Essorant, you didn't question, you condemned. Big difference. Second, they are simply exercising their rights to Free Speech; they don't have to make you or anyone else happy about the way they do it. Third and finally, no, you may not attack other members of the community here because you don't like what they wrote or how they wrote it. You can, of course, refute what they wrote if you wish. But you need to stick to WHAT they wrote, not why you imagine they wrote it. ]


[This message has been edited by Ron (06-25-2012 11:22 AM).]

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I did NOT condemn or attack anyone Ron.  That is an outright mischaractarization of my post.  And my original point about criticizing Obama's politics instead of bashing his person was given as a question.  I specifically said "Won't you...? ".   If you wouldn't remove the evidence people would be able to see the truth.  

I spoke about their mentality and behaviour toward the topic.  I don't see how you can divorce that from a topic, when discussing a topic naturally includes sharing and arguing about our opinions and trying to understand them better, etc.  

They had their freedom of speech.  But I don't get mine?    They don't have to make me or anyone else happy about the way they do it, but I do?

Fine, have your "Nanny State" Ron.  Eventually you may be the only one here if this is the way you are going to run the show.  

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quote:
I did NOT condemn or attack anyone Ron. That is an outright mischaractarization of my post.

If you would like to email me, Essorant, I will be happy to discuss the specific words and phrases you posted that I found objectionable.

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I spoke about their mentality and behaviour toward the topic.

Which is EXACTLY what I'm telling you is unacceptable.

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They had their freedom of speech.  But I don't get mine?

Of course you do, Ess. So long as your diatribes target public personas who have agreed to put themselves in the line of fire. That seems to be a distinction you refuse to accept.


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Obama's retaliation against Arizona after the Supreme court ruling says everything anyone needs to know about Obama.

Obama admin says -- "you can arrest em.. and call ICE but, we won't be answering."

This is nothing new. He has ignored court rulings multiple times in his short career or found a way to do and end run around them.

[This message has been edited by Balladeer (06-26-2012 08:19 AM).]

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Obama admin says -- "you can arrest em.. and call ICE but, we won't be answering."


That’s frightening, are you saying that ICE isn’t going to respond to any call by Arizona law enforcement? I can understand ICE only responding where there’s clear justification, where the detainee is a criminal, a previous deportee or a recent border crosser for instance but not to respond to any request from Arizona Law Enforcement sounds like a dereliction of duty to me.

Have you got a link to the source so I can check it out Mike?

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"Federal officials said they’ll still perform the checks as required by law but will respond only when someone has a felony conviction on his or her record. Absent that, ICE will tell the local police to release the person."
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jun/25/homeland-security-suspends-immigration-agreements-/
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The Obama administration decided to suspend its 287(g) agreements with Arizona. (Those 287(g) agreements authorize local police officers to act as immigration agents in determining an alien’s status.)  What is that about?
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A commentary:
http://www.thenationalpatriot.com/2012/06/26/imperial-decree-puts-america-on-notice/

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Thanks Denise, Huan,

So ICE, facing an increased workload when the new law is implemented, are going to prioritise any requests rather than not respond to any calls as Mike suggested – that sounds sensible.

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Within the last two hours, I have been notified the Obama administration has revoked the 287(g) agreement," which allows Arizona police to partner with the federal government in enforcing immigration law.

It's no coincidence, Brewer said, noting that while 68 law enforcement bodies in 24 states have 287(g) agreements with the federal government, the only agreement eliminated on Monday was the one with Arizona -- "the state that happens to be on the front lines of America's fight against illegal immigration," she said.

"We are on our own, apparently," Brewer said in the statement posted on her website.

“I suppose I shouldn’t be surprised," she continued. "The Obama administration has fought the people of Arizona at every turn -- downplaying the threat that a porous border poses to our citizens, filing suit in order to block our State from protecting itself, unilaterally granting immunity to tens of thousands of illegal aliens living in our midst, and now this. Still, the disarmament of Arizona’s 287(g) agreements is a new low, even for this administration."

According to the Associated Press, if federal agents decline to pick up illegal aliens, there is no way for Arizona to force federal authorities to detain them. Local police will have to let them go unless they're suspected of committing a crime (other than being in the country illegally) that would require them to be arrested and jailed, Peter Spiro, a Temple University law professor who specializes in immigration law, told the Associated Press.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/gov-brewer-obama-shows-utter-disregard-arizona-canceling-immigration-enforcement
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No, Grinch, it's more than that. See my post above. Obama has revoked the 287 (g) agreement with Arizona. The federal government will no longer partner with Arizona police in enforcing immigration laws.
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Obama has revoked the 287 (g) agreement with Arizona. The federal government will no longer partner with Arizona police in enforcing immigration laws.

Why should they Denise, Arizona passed a law that made 287 (g) unnecessary.

“Under 287(g), with federal approval and training, ICE provides state and local law enforcement officers with the training and authorization to identify, process, and--when appropriate--detain immigration offenders they encounter during their regular, daily law-enforcement activity”

Arizona fought for, and won, the right to supply their own training and give local Law Enforcement the right to identify, process and detain immigration offenders. It’d be stupid, not to mention expensive, to run two immigration enforcement systems side by side.

It seems like a logical and sensible decision to cancel one of them.

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Does the Federal Government announce how it will prioritize
its enforcement of other laws?  What is it intended to communicate?


“The federal government will no longer partner with Arizona police in enforcing immigration laws.”

So the federal government has no responsibility in enforcing federal law?


My suspicion is that before it’s over the Obama crowd will run
the most racist and sexist campaign we’ve seen in a long time
the target being that evil unnamed unknown white male other who is at the
wheel of all that is wrong with the world now including denying Obama the amending angel
a second term.


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So the federal government has no responsibility in enforcing federal law?


287(g) allows ICE to enter into a Memorandum Of Agreement (MOA) with State Law Enforcement Agencies in which both parties agree that ICE will train and authorise qualifying State Officers to detain, investigate and process possible infringements of Federal Immigration laws undr the supervision of ICE.

ICE still maintains the responsibility to enforce Federal immigration law whether a MOA is in place or not. Unfortunately Arizona has decided that the State will train and authorise its own Law Enforcement Officers which is contrary to agreed provisions within the MOA, basically making it superfluous and null and void.

ICE will continue to enforce Federal Immigration Laws like they did before the Arizona MOA was in place and like they do in other places where MOA’s aren’t in place, they just won’t train and authorise Arizona officers to act on their behalf.

I’m not sure what all the fuss is about, cancelling the 287(g) MOA isn’t a big surprise, surely the legislators in Arizona must have been aware that it would be rescinded when they wrote their legislation  - all they had to do was read the MOA they signed.

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And when will Arizona find out it has
run afoul of federal law?


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And when will Arizona find out it has
run afoul of federal law?


When an officer from Arizona unduly detains an American citizen or illegal immigrant to check their status and that person sues or makes a complaint to Federal authorities.

American citizens are protected against undue detention or false arrest by Law Enforcement Officers under the ‘color of law’ rule which makes such an act a Federal offence.

Without a 287(g) MOA the undue detention of illegal immigrants is the sole responsibility, and at the discretion, of ICE and cannot be undertaken by a State Law Enforcement Officer – again it would be a Federal offence to do so.

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They need the cooperation and assistance of ICE, Grinch, once they have detained a suspected illegal alien. AZ can't process someone for deportation, only the Feds can do that.

They've basically been told not to expect that help from now on. So they can round up illegals but then what?

I think maybe once a month they should load up a few busloads of illegals and drive them up to the DOJ. Give them sleeping bags and pillows and tell them to enjoy D.C. Maybe Obama will let them camp out on the White House Lawn.

They should expect some hospitality in exchange for their vote, right? That seems only fair.
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ICE will continue to enforce Federal Immigration Laws like they did before the Arizona MOA was in place and like they do in other places where MOA’s aren’t in place, they just won’t train and authorise Arizona officers to act on their behalf.

Exactly....like they did before. Problem is they did almost nothing before, which is a reason why Arizona acted in the first place. Even supreme court justices pointed that out.

Now ICE will not train local law enforcement and they won't prosecute, or allow to be prosecuted, anyone except in extreme circumstances. It's like the police chief telling it's officers, "You can arrest people but we're not going to let you charge them."

Look, it's pretty clear that this is simply hissy fit material by Obama, responding the the court's rulings. Nothing more....
 
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