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Daddy Goose38 Member
since 2010-09-04
Posts 430obama's a rice paper tiger |
Deservies universal ridicule and contempt. |
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Essorant Member Elite
since 2002-08-10
Posts 4769Regina, Saskatchewan; Canada |
There are so many presidents in the world. Which one could you possibly be talking about?  |
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Balladeer
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Posts 25505Ft. Lauderdale, Fl USA |
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/obama-invokes-executive-privilege-holder-faces-contempt-vote-143710603.html Another example of Obama's pledge of transparency. I don't think there is any doubt which president he is referring to. This president is despicable. |
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icebox Member Elite
since 2003-05-03
Posts 4383in the shadows |
I can not understand why some people are schocked by this. Mr. Obama absolutely is acting in character. He is a morally corrupt, delusional narcissist with no ethical nor moral center, and he believes he should not be held accountable under the law for his actions. Where is the surprise? |
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Balladeer
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No surprise of his character, icebox. That has always been a given. The surprise is only that he would try to pull it off. I'm reminded of an old Groucho remark, "I'd never join a club that would have me as a member." Perhaps he feels the American people are basically stupid enough to swallow this, since they were stupid enough to elect him in the first place. |
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Denise
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since 1999-08-22
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His campaign has now set up an Event Registry for folks to donate to him in lieu of giving wedding, birthday and anniversary gifts to their friends and family! LOL! Desperate much? It is getting so much ridicule it will probably be taken down shortly. This is a new low from the folks who have brought you the lunch and dinner with the Obamas raffles. Sorry Barry, the piggy bank is empty. |
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Essorant Member Elite
since 2002-08-10
Posts 4769Regina, Saskatchewan; Canada |
[Edit Address the topic, Essorant, not the posters. - Ron] [This message has been edited by Ron (06-24-2012 11:41 PM).] |
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Essorant Member Elite
since 2002-08-10
Posts 4769Regina, Saskatchewan; Canada |
Ron, I don't understand your reasoning. I mentioned that I wondered how their minds [Edit - "They" are not the subject of the thread, Essorant. President Obama, who is a public figure, is the subject. - Ron] Can you please show me how or why you consider that as wrong? Questioning one's mentality and behaviour toward someone/something is not acceptable at Passions? [Edit - First, Essorant, you didn't question, you condemned. Big difference. Second, they are simply exercising their rights to Free Speech; they don't have to make you or anyone else happy about the way they do it. Third and finally, no, you may not attack other members of the community here because you don't like what they wrote or how they wrote it. You can, of course, refute what they wrote if you wish. But you need to stick to WHAT they wrote, not why you imagine they wrote it. ] [This message has been edited by Ron (06-25-2012 11:22 AM).] |
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Essorant Member Elite
since 2002-08-10
Posts 4769Regina, Saskatchewan; Canada |
I did NOT condemn or attack anyone Ron. That is an outright mischaractarization of my post. And my original point about criticizing Obama's politics instead of bashing his person was given as a question. I specifically said "Won't you...? ". If you wouldn't remove the evidence people would be able to see the truth. I spoke about their mentality and behaviour toward the topic. I don't see how you can divorce that from a topic, when discussing a topic naturally includes sharing and arguing about our opinions and trying to understand them better, etc. They had their freedom of speech. But I don't get mine? They don't have to make me or anyone else happy about the way they do it, but I do? Fine, have your "Nanny State" Ron. Eventually you may be the only one here if this is the way you are going to run the show. |
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Ron
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since 1999-05-19
Posts 8669Michigan, US |
quote: If you would like to email me, Essorant, I will be happy to discuss the specific words and phrases you posted that I found objectionable. quote: Which is EXACTLY what I'm telling you is unacceptable. quote: Of course you do, Ess. So long as your diatribes target public personas who have agreed to put themselves in the line of fire. That seems to be a distinction you refuse to accept. |
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Balladeer
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Posts 25505Ft. Lauderdale, Fl USA |
Obama's retaliation against Arizona after the Supreme court ruling says everything anyone needs to know about Obama. Obama admin says -- "you can arrest em.. and call ICE but, we won't be answering." This is nothing new. He has ignored court rulings multiple times in his short career or found a way to do and end run around them. [This message has been edited by Balladeer (06-26-2012 08:19 AM).] |
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Grinch Member Elite
since 2005-12-31
Posts 2929Whoville |
quote: That’s frightening, are you saying that ICE isn’t going to respond to any call by Arizona law enforcement? I can understand ICE only responding where there’s clear justification, where the detainee is a criminal, a previous deportee or a recent border crosser for instance but not to respond to any request from Arizona Law Enforcement sounds like a dereliction of duty to me. Have you got a link to the source so I can check it out Mike? . |
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Denise
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"Federal officials said they’ll still perform the checks as required by law but will respond only when someone has a felony conviction on his or her record. Absent that, ICE will tell the local police to release the person." http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jun/25/homeland-security-suspends-immigration-agreements-/ |
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Huan Yi Member Ascendant
since 2004-10-12
Posts 6688Waukegan |
. The Obama administration decided to suspend its 287(g) agreements with Arizona. (Those 287(g) agreements authorize local police officers to act as immigration agents in determining an alien’s status.) What is that about? . |
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Denise
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A commentary: http://www.thenationalpatriot.com/2012/06/26/imperial-decree-puts-america-on-notice/ |
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Grinch Member Elite
since 2005-12-31
Posts 2929Whoville |
Thanks Denise, Huan, So ICE, facing an increased workload when the new law is implemented, are going to prioritise any requests rather than not respond to any calls as Mike suggested – that sounds sensible. . |
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Denise
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Within the last two hours, I have been notified the Obama administration has revoked the 287(g) agreement," which allows Arizona police to partner with the federal government in enforcing immigration law. It's no coincidence, Brewer said, noting that while 68 law enforcement bodies in 24 states have 287(g) agreements with the federal government, the only agreement eliminated on Monday was the one with Arizona -- "the state that happens to be on the front lines of America's fight against illegal immigration," she said. "We are on our own, apparently," Brewer said in the statement posted on her website. “I suppose I shouldn’t be surprised," she continued. "The Obama administration has fought the people of Arizona at every turn -- downplaying the threat that a porous border poses to our citizens, filing suit in order to block our State from protecting itself, unilaterally granting immunity to tens of thousands of illegal aliens living in our midst, and now this. Still, the disarmament of Arizona’s 287(g) agreements is a new low, even for this administration." According to the Associated Press, if federal agents decline to pick up illegal aliens, there is no way for Arizona to force federal authorities to detain them. Local police will have to let them go unless they're suspected of committing a crime (other than being in the country illegally) that would require them to be arrested and jailed, Peter Spiro, a Temple University law professor who specializes in immigration law, told the Associated Press. http://cnsnews.com/news/article/gov-brewer-obama-shows-utter-disregard-arizona-canceling-immigration-enforcement |
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Denise
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No, Grinch, it's more than that. See my post above. Obama has revoked the 287 (g) agreement with Arizona. The federal government will no longer partner with Arizona police in enforcing immigration laws. |
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Grinch Member Elite
since 2005-12-31
Posts 2929Whoville |
quote: Why should they Denise, Arizona passed a law that made 287 (g) unnecessary. “Under 287(g), with federal approval and training, ICE provides state and local law enforcement officers with the training and authorization to identify, process, and--when appropriate--detain immigration offenders they encounter during their regular, daily law-enforcement activity” Arizona fought for, and won, the right to supply their own training and give local Law Enforcement the right to identify, process and detain immigration offenders. It’d be stupid, not to mention expensive, to run two immigration enforcement systems side by side. It seems like a logical and sensible decision to cancel one of them. . |
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Huan Yi Member Ascendant
since 2004-10-12
Posts 6688Waukegan |
. Does the Federal Government announce how it will prioritize its enforcement of other laws? What is it intended to communicate? “The federal government will no longer partner with Arizona police in enforcing immigration laws.” So the federal government has no responsibility in enforcing federal law? My suspicion is that before it’s over the Obama crowd will run the most racist and sexist campaign we’ve seen in a long time the target being that evil unnamed unknown white male other who is at the wheel of all that is wrong with the world now including denying Obama the amending angel a second term. . |
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Grinch Member Elite
since 2005-12-31
Posts 2929Whoville |
quote: 287(g) allows ICE to enter into a Memorandum Of Agreement (MOA) with State Law Enforcement Agencies in which both parties agree that ICE will train and authorise qualifying State Officers to detain, investigate and process possible infringements of Federal Immigration laws undr the supervision of ICE. ICE still maintains the responsibility to enforce Federal immigration law whether a MOA is in place or not. Unfortunately Arizona has decided that the State will train and authorise its own Law Enforcement Officers which is contrary to agreed provisions within the MOA, basically making it superfluous and null and void. ICE will continue to enforce Federal Immigration Laws like they did before the Arizona MOA was in place and like they do in other places where MOA’s aren’t in place, they just won’t train and authorise Arizona officers to act on their behalf. I’m not sure what all the fuss is about, cancelling the 287(g) MOA isn’t a big surprise, surely the legislators in Arizona must have been aware that it would be rescinded when they wrote their legislation - all they had to do was read the MOA they signed. . |
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Huan Yi Member Ascendant
since 2004-10-12
Posts 6688Waukegan |
. And when will Arizona find out it has run afoul of federal law? . |
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Grinch Member Elite
since 2005-12-31
Posts 2929Whoville |
quote: When an officer from Arizona unduly detains an American citizen or illegal immigrant to check their status and that person sues or makes a complaint to Federal authorities. American citizens are protected against undue detention or false arrest by Law Enforcement Officers under the ‘color of law’ rule which makes such an act a Federal offence. Without a 287(g) MOA the undue detention of illegal immigrants is the sole responsibility, and at the discretion, of ICE and cannot be undertaken by a State Law Enforcement Officer – again it would be a Federal offence to do so. . |
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Denise
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They need the cooperation and assistance of ICE, Grinch, once they have detained a suspected illegal alien. AZ can't process someone for deportation, only the Feds can do that. They've basically been told not to expect that help from now on. So they can round up illegals but then what? I think maybe once a month they should load up a few busloads of illegals and drive them up to the DOJ. Give them sleeping bags and pillows and tell them to enjoy D.C. Maybe Obama will let them camp out on the White House Lawn. They should expect some hospitality in exchange for their vote, right? That seems only fair. |
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Balladeer
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Posts 25505Ft. Lauderdale, Fl USA |
ICE will continue to enforce Federal Immigration Laws like they did before the Arizona MOA was in place and like they do in other places where MOA’s aren’t in place, they just won’t train and authorise Arizona officers to act on their behalf. Exactly....like they did before. Problem is they did almost nothing before, which is a reason why Arizona acted in the first place. Even supreme court justices pointed that out. Now ICE will not train local law enforcement and they won't prosecute, or allow to be prosecuted, anyone except in extreme circumstances. It's like the police chief telling it's officers, "You can arrest people but we're not going to let you charge them." Look, it's pretty clear that this is simply hissy fit material by Obama, responding the the court's rulings. Nothing more.... |
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Balladeer
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Posts 25505Ft. Lauderdale, Fl USA |
Yesterday after the most important provision, or what Arizona Governor Jan Brewer called the "heart" of SB 1070 was unanimously upheld, which allows local law enforcement to inquire about legal status, the feds set up a hotline in the state for people to report "potential" civil rights violations. 1-855-353-1010 and online SB1070(at)usdoj.gov Hello, race baiting. Obama is now encouraging it. |
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Huan Yi Member Ascendant
since 2004-10-12
Posts 6688Waukegan |
. "With respect to the notion that I can just suspend deportations [of immigrants brought here illegally as children] through executive order, that’s just not the case, because there are laws on the books that Congress has passed.” — President Obama, March 28, 2011 http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/303637/immigration-bombshell-n aked-lawlessness-charles-krauthammer . |
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Grinch Member Elite
since 2005-12-31
Posts 2929Whoville |
quote: I wouldn’t recommend that as an option Denise – transporting illegal aliens is, technically, a Federal Offence. quote: Obama is probably laughing his backside off but the Memorandum of Agreement that ICE and the Law Enforcement agencies signed is worded in such a way that it couldn’t stay in place even if Obama wanted it to Mike. Arizona legislators had to know that the MOA would be rescinded if their legislation was enacted, yet they went ahead regardless then feigned shock and horror when the inevitable happened. I blame them quote: Since the Arizona law could increase the incidence of civil rights offences and the Government has a duty to protect civil rights it sounds like a good idea. I am confused as to why you believe that helping American racial minorities could be considered “race baiting” though Mike – how can offering help to a racial minority be construed as “baiting”? . |
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Balladeer
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I am confused as to why you believe that helping American racial minorities could be considered “race baiting” though Mike – how can offering help to a racial minority be construed as “baiting”? I doubt sincerely that you are that naiive, Grinch. You are too intelligent an individual. You know as well as anyone that offering such a service will promote action simply by it's existence. Add to that that it's created by the President and that makes it more so. Many latins, and especially the illegal ones, will be more than happy to scream prejudice, whether any is shown or not. People, especially guilty ones, will always look for excuses. Obama is saying, "Here! Call! Complain!" He knows what such a service will do. So do you. |
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moonbeam
since 2005-12-24
Posts 2356 |
Oh heck - in a country torn apart partly at least by a lunatic right wing and a worrying level of capitalist greed and complacency (look at the obesity stats) I think President Obama has done an amazing job in even keeping the US as a credible superpower. THAT won't last long if the Mitt and the religious nut wagon get a grip on power. |
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