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25 posted 03-31-2012 06:20 PM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

First, John's question, and pardon me if I don't do the quote thingie, I'm trying to get accustomed to yet another new keyboard.

So I'll repeat what I just erased, and use my fishhook analogy. In a situation such as a riot, trying to find justice in the aftermath is a bit like trying to pick up one fishhook out of a pile of fishhooks. Although the situations are related and apparently interlocked, each one must be extricated and examined. An arduous task, to say the least. When and if it is possible to untangle such a mess, line those fishhooks up, can one really
determine, which fishhook cut someone, which one was never even used, etc? Let's call this "due process". And due process is, I believed, defined by the state in which one resides. Mistakes might be made when due process is carried out, which is why we have The Supreme Court. But someone has to really want to find that bloodied fishhook, I think.

But you have to at least begin due process, and that is at the heart of the heartbreak in Florida.

And Mike? Please know I'm kind of smiling, because when you began this thread, you said this was a ploy by the Democratic party to distract the nation's attention away from the economy, so knowing how much you abhor the Democratic Party and our commander in chief, I'm a bit puzzled as to why you are helping them by adding to the sensationalism? And in one post in particular, after we agree about the disintegration of that code of honor in journalism, your post did exactly what you were protesting. (I'm not angry, I'm just voicing my opinion, and even smiling over here. Know that I love you, and I'm not doing this to poke at you, or have fun, it's just my opinion.)

You placed together a bunch of true statements, all taken out of context. I know you know that it is possible to take partial truth, and place them together in such a way that it presents a false impression. (False positives exist even in science, so I'm not accusing you of deliberately doing this, okay?) I just know that I've done it--we've all probably done it, but it doesn't clarify
matters; it merely adds more smoke to the smokescreen. And hey, that sort of thing actually WORKS. In fact, elections are won that way.

And lost.

*grin*

I've always said you and I are not so far apart in the ideological spectrum. Your fine state of Florida is fast gaining on my fine state of Louisiana in the questionable politics category. (Please don't be offended by my little joke, 'cause then I'll have to get offended that you got offended, and we'll be back to ignoring each other again.)

Let's not do that, okay? No discourse, no progress.

We were actually considering going to Disneyworld during next carnival season. But, um...naw. Exhale now. Florida is safe from The Traveling Muppet show for the time being.

[off topic--please forgive my typos--I learned to type on a Selectra--and laptop typing is a whole nuther process.]

Gotta run. I have to practice banging my drum. I'm not kidding. I want to be ready to join in a drum corp by Beltane. *smile*
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I'm a bit puzzled as to why you are helping them by adding to the sensationalism?

I'm a bit puzzled, too, by that comment. How am I helping them? How am I adding to the sensationalism?  I think you overestimate my powers a bit.


And in one post in particular, after we agree about the disintegration of that code of honor in journalism, your post did exactly what you were protesting.
You placed together a bunch of true statements, all taken out of context.


I'm afraid you would have to point that out to me where. I'm a little slow on weekends. Even if you can (which I don't see),  comparing my drivel here to 2 or 3 people hardly compares to supposedly professional broadcasters doing it on the air to hundreds of thousands of listeners in an effort to misrepresent facts.
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27 posted 03-31-2012 07:26 PM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

I'm back--fresh out of the tub. (It's also a myth that a person can't smell themselves, now can I hear a collective "EW" from everybody? *chuckling*)

It occurred to me while I was in there, that I'm probably among the most guilty of misrepresentation, because I'm impatient, I'm always in a hurry (which makes me wonder why I'm always late) but okay, I'll just point out a couple of misleading things that stood out for me---

"Critics" First word, kind of vague, but un-named sources are acceptable, but the "Spike Lee apologizes" thing was what made me smile the widest. Granted, Spike Lee apologizing IS news, but you didn't say what he was apologizing FOR...

and I'm not a journalist either. I am too happy with tales of fancy, too emotional, far too fiery to ever be that cut and dried.

And I'm not so good on weekends either. Or Mondays. Tuesdays are okay, depending.

But serious, good journalism is hard work. I'm far too lazy.

Now. I've got to put some bondo on my face, and walk to my friend's house before dark.

I can't be too careful. We, too, have a neighborhood watch! and

But better them than me, I think you'll agree. I finally put the gun down. (Guns actually do something to one's psyche, methinks, and it has to do with that power corrupts thing. But that's a philosophical discussion.)

*hugs*

Now. I think I'll put some lotion on too. I am so ashy I look white.

Maybe we'll talk later? I also have to do my hair. (I cut some bangs to go with my glasses, I look like a chubby, bloated Sarah Palin.)

*giggling*

Ciao for now and peace.

Oh. One quick thing--people overestimate ME as well. I want to tell everybody that I do not hang out with Spike Lee--I don't write for Bill Maher--and Kathy Griffin doesn't call me. *beaming atchoo* She TEXTS. <--I am just JOKING.
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28 posted 03-31-2012 07:39 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

Aha...Iapologize. I mistakenly assumed that whatever souls followed this thread would also be following the news about the topic.

Spike Lee gave out the address publicly of Zimmerman's house. Protestors went over en masse to hassle, picket and protest. Only problem was....he gave out the wrong address. The people living there had nothing to do with Zimmerman and were terrorized by the protestors. Spike Lee initially refused to apologize but, after quite a bit of publicity of his gaffe (and possibly the fact that lawsuits would almost certainly be forthcoming), he finally did. His actions were out of line.
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29 posted 03-31-2012 10:25 PM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

Sorry. According to CNN and other sources (grin) Mr. Lee did not give out George Zimmerman's address, which was a matter of public record, btw. (If you're in the phone book? Nod.)

He tweeted the wrong address, and some other family endured the publicity--until Spike admitted his error, and apologized.

Some day, assuming we all have time and inclination, we should discuss the fine lines between reporting, investigative journalism, and the blogging factor.

It is indeed a new era, and with new technology charging forward, I think it's a worthy discussion, since the laws are mutating as I type.

Great investigative journalism provokes the thought that can lead to justice. The flip side of that coin is that some people's lives are ruined, sometimes actually ENDED because their reputations have tried them in the press.

As for Spike Lee? He's opinionated, but thought-provoking. He happens to have to endure the glare of publicity, so he utilizes it, but he will apologize when he is wrong.

And no, I do not hang out with him, but he's a gentleman. I vouch for that, just as I would vouch for you, lovie.

Now. Back to the drum...you think the drumming might help with my mental block with iambic pentameter?

I've tried everything else...sigh. at I came back to add that we apparently agree on what exactly Spike Lee's error was...I must have misread, or was hasty, since I didn't see that part acknowledge prior to my post.

I...apologize.

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30 posted 04-01-2012 12:35 AM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

No problem....and forget iambic pentameter. No one writes like you....don't ever change
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I had never given it much thought before but I thought everyone had the right, especially is right to carry States, to protect themselves if attacked and in fear for their life. It seems to me an unfair and unnecessary burden to place upon someone being attacked to try to think of someway to defend themselves without possibly inflicting mortal wounds upon the attacker. Who really has time to try to make those decisions when they are fighting for their life?
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32 posted 04-01-2012 02:25 PM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

The problem I'm seeing with that "stand your ground" law is that it extends liberties of self-protection beyond what is reasonable self-defense. This law requires that aforementioned speculation--it encourages and even enhances character assassinations on BOTH sides. It's been made evident that it is difficult to prove or disprove--the law is a bad law, and is, in my humble opinion, flawed and should be revoked because it denies due process--and due process is the spine of civil rights.

If the facts are that one man had a gun, and the dead boy had none, it's so blatantly a mismatch that this case is difficult to ignore. I am not saying that George Zimmerman is guilty either. But I will assert emphatically that due process was, for some reason, dropped.

I think the family deserves an explanation to why, and if all of this...whatever we wish to call this--is ignored--then Florida goes on record, establishing precedent for license to kill.

That said--

It's good to see you here, Denise. I was starting to get worried.

I confess I woke with qualms about my inappropriate joking about such a painful situation. And as I stated previously, sometimes, justice is severe. (The two-edge sword.)

I'll try to bow out gracefully, since it IS indeed in the hands of the State of Florida. But I feel compelled to remind all of what transpired on Danziger Bridge on ...one of the days (admittedly fooggy on the date, here) but I was proud that Louisiana prosecuted the police officers who shot first and asked no questions later. (A child was killed, as was a mentally handicapped adult man, and the woman trying to find refuge for those two in her care didn't even realize her hand was blown off until she followed the orders of the police to put her hands in the air.)

I think that situation was a tougher call to do the right thing, since our police were not only outnumbered, they were emotionally distraught. I also applauded when the police officers who simply left, dismissing themselves off duty were pardoned.

We're fighting a tough fight of corruption, not just in New Orleans, but throughout Louisiana.

Again, I say, if tired fervor is possible, I have it--it might be called Shingles, come to think of it....but if tired fervor is a preferable term, that's what I feel.

I tell this story only to underscore the fact that it's entirely possible to do the wrong thing, with right motivation, in a condition of duress. But DUE PROCESS must apply, even, maybe ESPECIALLY to our law enforcers.

And sadly, I also admit, that I could not look into a camera and assert that I have the answers regarding Sanford, Florida. But I do have a lot of questions.

I think Florida is beautiful, and I'd like it stay there, too. Florida makes my life a helluva lot easier. And please keep in mind that I'm typing from Jefferson Parish, not Orleans. (That's a few blocks away.) But it was a Jefferson Parish sheriff who beat Arizona on the racial profiling thing by years. Sheriff Harry Lee told the world he considered racial profiling "common sense" police work--and defended the accusations of him being racist by stating the he could not be racist--because he was Chinese.


Yeah, that's a bit, "WHAT?"

The answers to Florida's latest riddle may never be found. Florida, if past proves a tendency, can and will take their time about ANYTHING. But if I were a citizen of Florida, I'd probably become a watchdog of the watchdogs.

A bad reputation is so hard to live down...

And yes ma'am. You're talking to one who knows.



I'm delighted to see you, however sad the circumstances. Don't be so shy about popping in, okay? Love you much!
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http://www.courierpress.com/photos/2012/mar/30/110803/


I resent the manipulation.


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It's been made evident that it is difficult to prove or disprove--the law is a bad law, and is, in my humble opinion, flawed and should be revoked because it denies due process--and due process is the spine of civil rights.

Is it a bad law or a law bad when used badly? If I am attacked by someone younger, stronger than I and my life is in danger, I don't want to have to worry about going to jail if I shoot him to save my life.

The question in this case is....was it that way or not? If the kid were in fact on top of Zimmerman pounding his head into the ground, it was a valid act. If Zimmerman chased him and shot him, it wasn't. It's not the law that has the blame...it's the use or misuse of it. That is what an investigation needs to determine. You believe in an investigation and so do I, serenity gal. What I don't believe in, and I don't think you do, either, is vigilante justice based on "street justice", whatever that is. Nor do I believe is putting bounties on someone's head who has not been charged with a crime. Nor do I believe in inciting to riot for personal gain.

John, get used to it. You have the press showing thew worst possible pics of Zimmerman possible and pics of the kid from when he was 13....standard manipulation for them.
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The Trayvon Martin case has exposed some of the media's worst tendencies--selective editing, rushing to judgment, stoking anger for ratings and page views--and it's taken more than fake photos, the incendiary stumbles of Geraldo Rivera and Spike Lee and verbal clashes between Piers Morgan and Toure to shine a light on them.

NBC told the Washington Post that it has launched an internal investigation of the "Today" show's editorial process after its morning show aired an edited conversation between George Zimmerman and a 911 dispatcher recorded moments before the shooting. The investigation came after Fox News and others pointed out that the network spliced two parts of the call together, making it appear as if Zimmerman had said, "This guy looks like he's up to no good. He looks black."

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/cutline/trayvon-martin-case-exposes-worst-media-210020839.html
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36 posted 04-02-2012 06:16 PM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

Excellent.



I'm bad at journalism, but the people who think they are should be held up to a higher standard that doesn't apply to the average joe blogger.

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Anyone think the editing was inadvertent?
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NBC says it is investigating to see how that happened. In other words, they are doing damage control, trying to determine which excuse would be as lenient on them as possible. This is not a first for network news. There have been other such incidents.
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Hey Karen, love you too! I'm here almost every day...just don't talk as much as I used to.
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A 78 year-old man said a group of youths beat him in Toledo on his way home from a gas station on Sunday.

The Toledo Blade reported, via Free Republic:

    Mr. Watts said one of the boys delivered a single blow to the back of his head during the incident Saturday, knocking the victim to the ground.
    At one point, the victim recalled being lifted from the ground so one of the boys could “drop-kick” him in the chest.
    One boy, he said, put his foot on the back of the victim’s neck, with another shouting, “Kill him.”
    While Mr. Watts was down the boys kicked him, over and over, shouting, “[Get] that white [man]. This is for Trayvon … Trayvon lives, white [man]. Kill that white [man],” according to a police report.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/04/it-begins-youths-screaming-this-is-for-trayvon-beat-78-year-old-white-man-in-toledo/

** If Obama had a son, the boy could be like the youths that did the beating **
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And I was raped.

On numerous occasions.

Skin-color was not the common denominator--the fact that my assailants had a penis WAS...

Now what was your point? And how is any of this helping ANYONE, heal?
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42 posted 04-04-2012 10:14 PM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/04/justice/louisiana-danziger-bridge-case/?hpt=hp_t3

I'm not dancing.

It's just a huge fish-hook...
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My point?  This is one by-product of the Treyvon race-baiting agitation....there will be others. Obama said treyvon could have been his son....obviously referring to the same race. Obama could also have been related to the perpetrators of this example, if we follow his same criteria....so what was HIS point?
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I can't and won't be deflected now.

I really, really, REALY want former mayor Ray Nagin to see the same justice applied to him--this is a man who actually laughed about calling himself a "Disaster Consultant" as he laughed it up, pocketing even MORE money on the Jon Stewart Show.

Mike? I think we tend to lean into likewise curves...help me.
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45 posted 04-04-2012 10:47 PM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

Or? You just take Fla. ?

And what's the problem with a President saying that someone could be his son? The only problem I've seen is that I've never heard a Pres saying: "This could be my DAUGHTER."

We've got a long way to go.
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I'm certainly on your side about Nagin. His actions during Katrina were deplorable and I found it amazing that he got re-elected. THAT is scary. I hope he gets everything he deserves but I won't hold my breath.
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Obama made reference to the fact that he could be his son, referring to race. THAT"S what makes it wrong.
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I'm still shrugging.

Presidents generally make statements referring to their sons (and occasionally daughters)--racism is iferred, not implied.

? ? ?

We've really got to get it together.
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and I'm grinning here, beeeeeeeeeeeeee-cuz, I got more right to be pist than you.

 
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