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http://news.yahoo.com/obama-administration-objects-texas-voter-id-law-161037385.html
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They can't win without dead people, fictional characters and illegals.
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My understanding, based on a quick check (see link), is that currently in Texas you have to apply for a voter registration card 30 days before an election at which point your eligibility is checked before the card is issued. When you turn up on voting day you have to present the registration card or a suitable form of identification, which is checked against the electoral register, before youíre allowed to vote.

Coincidentally thatís exactly how it works in the UK.

Are they suggesting that the requirement for pre-registration is dropped and replaced with a simple id check at the point of voting? Or are they insisting that a voter registration card AND a form of identity is required?

What exactly is the new proposal Mike?

http://www.texas.gov/en/discover/Pages/voting.aspx?AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1
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I don't know how they do it in other states but I never have to even show my voter registration card when I go to vote. I don't have to show anything, I just have to sign a book, I guess so they have a signature if fraud is ever alleged they have signatures to check.

Here is what was uncovered in Vermont:
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/03/13/OKeefe%20Video%20Exposes%20Voter%20Fraud-Friendly%20Policies%20in%20Vermont
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The states are insisting that a government-issued photo id be used to register and vote. Obama's admin does not want that requirement to be mandatory. It is obvious why they don't.
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Obama's admin does not want that requirement to be mandatory. It is obvious why they don't.


Is it because it increases costs for both voters and government, which isnít a good idea when money for both is a little tight, or that it would disenfranchise some Americans, namely those that donít have the required ID?

I can understand the first reason, the second is slightly harder to swallow, I find it hard to believe that there are people today who donít have some form of identification - that said though Iíve read some interesting and compelling arguments to the contrary. I guess the fairest thing to do would be to gather more accurate data. If it turns out that, say, 30% of any particular demographic didnít have ID Iíd be against the proposal. If the figures came back closer to 3% Iíd be leaning the other way.

In the UK each local authority maintains an electoral register based on census information thatís cross referenced using the register of births/deaths. The register is also used to allocate council tax which tends to spur folk into getting it corrected if it turns out to be wrong. A couple of months before the election a nice independent canvasser calls to verify the entries, then shortly after you get your personalised registration card. It seems to work ok, the local polling station is generally manned by local volunteers and cover a small enough area that almost everyone knows everyone else Ė at least by sight.

I guess voter fraud must be a bigger problem in the US though given that theyíre trying to decrease the possibility of it happening. Are there any verifiable figures available that point towards how widespread voter fraud might be?

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Is it because it increases costs for both voters and government, which isnít a good idea when money for both is a little tight, or that it would disenfranchise some Americans, namely those that donít have the required ID?

You give two choices...I'll add two more..

Dead people
Illegal aliens

No, we don't have the "small" voting areas where everybody knows your name, especially not in metropolitan areas and, yes, it is a big problem here.
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How big of a problem is it Mike? Have you any reliable data? Also are both parties involved in voter fraud or is it one-sided?

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How many things can you not
do without a valid picture ID
in this country?


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The claim that there is no voter fraud in the U.S. is patently ridiculous, given our rich and unfortunate history of it. As the U.S. Supreme Court said when it upheld Indiana's photo-ID law in 2008, "Flagrant examples of such fraud . . . have been documented throughout this Nation's history by respected historians and journalists." The liberal groups that fought Indiana's law didn't have much luck with liberal justice John Paul Stevens, who wrote the 6-3 decision. Before being named to the Supreme Court, Justice Stevens practiced law in Chicago, a hotbed of electoral malfeasance.

Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/12/voter_fraud_for_the_complete_idiot.html#ixzz1p3uVenez
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Voter registration in the United States largely reflects its 19th-century origins and has not kept pace with advancing technology and a mobile society. Statesí systems must be brought into the 21st century to be more accurate, cost-effective, and efficient, according to Pew Center statement. Research commissioned by the Pew Center on the States highlights the extent of the challenge:

    Approximately 24 millionóone of every eightóactive voter registrations in the United States are no longer valid or are significantly inaccurate.

    More than 1.8 million deceased individuals are listed as active voters.

    Approximately 2.75 million people have active registrations in more than one state.

Meanwhile, researchers estimate at least 51 million eligible U.S. citizens are unregistered, or more than 24 percent of the eligible population.

The study also identified:

    Approximately 12.7 million records nationwide that appear to be out of date and no longer reflect the voterís current information.

    More than 1.8 million records for people who are no longer living, but have active registrations on voter rolls.

    About 12 million records with incorrect addresses, indicating that either the voters have moved, or that errors in the information on file make it unlikely the Postal Service can reach them.

Illegal alien voters

A study released by the conservative think-tank the Heritage Foundation provides proof that illegal aliens and immigrants with green cards are committing rampant voter fraud in the United States.

Reports of ineligible persons registering to vote have raised concerns about state processes for verifying voter registration lists. States usually base voter eligibility on the voterís age, US citizenship, mental competence, and felon status.

Although individual states run elections, Congress has authority to affect the administration of the elections. The Help America Vote Act of 2002 (HAVA) had set a deadline for states to have a statewide voter registration list and list verification procedures, according to Heritage analysts.

For example, the methods used in seven selected states to verify voter eligibility and ensure accuracy of voter registration lists were varied and include relying on registrant self attestation, return mailings, and checking against lists of felony convictions or deceased individuals. Some states, for instance, failed to do any more than ask on their application forms if the registrant was a US citizen. The applicant will merely check off the ďYesĒ box, but there is no action taken to verify the authenticity of that answer.

ďThe voter registration officials simply take the word of the registrant with no follow-up,Ē said conservative political strategist Michael Baker.

ďSome states that require some backup documentation merely ask for a utility bill or a driverís license ó neither of which prove citizenship. In other words, legal or illegal aliens can easily register to vote in local and national elections,Ē warns Baker.
http://www.eurasiareview.com/21022012-voter-fraud-research-study-suggests-major-us-election-problems-oped/
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Grinch, of course both parties point fingers at the others with regards to voter fraud. Democrats claimed the "hanging chads" kept Gore out of office, for example.

Democrats di everything they could to keep absentee ballots from overseas military personnel from counting because the majority were pro-republican.

With regards to illegal aliens, it's a proven fact that the majority of illegal aliens are latin and the majority of latins vote democratic. That is the reason for the current actions of the administration. They want those votes, whether or not the voters can legally vote.
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Denise, unless I am mistaken and dreamed it ( listening to too much news while resting yesterday), PA just passed a law that requires everyone to have a photo ID to vote in the state and that the Motor Vehicle Dept. will provide for free, an ID card for anyone  who legally needs one.

I, myself,  have  a driver's license and then get an additional ID at the same time when I renew so that I am not carrying the driver's license on trips where I won't be driving ( that way I can't lose it.)

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(Reuters) - A requirement that voters show photo identification at the polls became law in Pennsylvania on Wednesday, the latest in a spate of Republican-led efforts to impose stricter controls at the ballot box.
Pennsylvania Governor Tom Corbett signed the act into law, saying it set a "simple and clear standard to protect the integrity of our elections."
"I am signing this bill because it protects a sacred principle, one shared by every citizen of this nation," the Republican governor said. "That principle is one person, one vote."
Opponents, who say the measure seeks to suppress voter turnout, vowed to challenge it in court.

Pennsylvania joined several Republican-governed states, including Texas, Kansas and Wisconsin, that have adopted stricter voter identification laws, arguing they were needed to prevent ballot box fraud.
Supporters say the laws are no different from needing identification to board an airplane or obtain a library card.
But some civil rights groups say such laws discriminate against the poor who may not be able to pay fees for copies of legal documents such as birth certificates, and that they could suppress minority votes.
Democrats say voter identification measures are aimed at squeezing out university students and senior citizens who tend to vote for Democrats.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/15/us-usa-politics-pennsylvania-voting-idUSBRE82E01K20120315
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The claim that there is no voter fraud in the U.S. is patently ridiculous


Whoís claiming that thereís no voter fraud Mike? I honestly donít know either way, which is why I asked if you had any figures, my reasoning being that if voter fraud is widespread the proposed law might make some sense but if voter fraud is a rare event the new law is a potential waste of time and money.

Without knowing the facts itís impossible to make a reasonable argument either way.

The same goes for the number of people who donít have an acceptable form of ID, as I said earlier my gut feeling is that the number is probably low but thatís just a guess Ė again, not a good thing to base a reasonable argument on.

If you havenít got any of the figures handy Mike thatís ok, I just thought Iíd ask. Normally Iíd do the research myself but I thought Iíd ask in case youíd already been there and done that.

Does anyone else have any figures regarding the extent of voter fraud?
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"And now to the dull math, so dull that the Indy Star didn't seem disposed to undertake the effort. Paul K. Ogden, however, helpfully breaks out his calculator for the edification of the press.

According to STATSIndiana, In 2007, Indianapolis/Marion County had an estimated population of 876,804. Of that number 232,607 were below 18 years of age, for a total of 644,197 people in Marion County/Indianapolis 18 or over and thus eligible to vote. (Indiana allows felons to vote as long as they are not incarcerated).

So we have 644,197 people eligible to be registered in Marion County/Indianapolis, and 677,401 people registered. Congratulations go to Indianapolis for having 105% of its residents registered!"

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/warner-todd-huston/2008/10/09/   indiana-more-registered-vote-eligible-media-misses-story


I remembered this . . .


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The same goes for the number of people who donít have an acceptable form of ID, as I said earlier my gut feeling is that the number is probably low but thatís just a guess Ė

From what I have seen of your guesses, grinch, they are normally based on figures, reason, and your brand of logic. In this case, your "gut feeling" isprobably from those same ingredients....and rightfully so.

If it turns out that, say, 30% of any particular demographic didnít have ID Iíd be against the proposal. If the figures came back closer to 3% Iíd be leaning the other way.

Then enjoy your lean. ID is required to get a drivers licence, cash a check, open a bank account, get a passport, library card, get a loan of any kind, board a plane and other things too numerous to mention. If you simply take the drivers license, bank account and check-cashing, you would be hard pressed to find a demographic that reached 30%, or 10 for that matter. True, there may be an eskimo tribe somewhere in Alaska that fits in there or a few Navajos that don't drive but it's not likely. What is the best that the left can come up with? Students may not have enough money to get a copy of their birth certificate. I'd be hard pressed to come up with a more flimsy excuse than that one.

Normally Iíd do the research myself   Yes, and  I am of the opinion you already have or, if you actually haven't, you would still do the research to check on the figures that someone else provided....so you may as well go ahead - if you haven't, of course.

Whoís claiming that thereís no voter fraud Mike? Many people, grinch, and mainly democrats.
Voter fraud cheapens the value of the universal franchise. There are those, like the current president of the United States and his attorney general, however, who act  like it's a fiction, some kind of right-wing fantasy that does not deserve our attention. And, as such, they are taking steps to oppose every reasonable effort to guard against it. http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/peter-roff/2012/03/15/obama-administrations-texas-decision-invites-voter-fraud

Whether supported by either party, this unprecedented push relies on two falsehoods: that voter fraud is rampant and that every honest voter has a driverís license. The first premise, that voter fraud is rampant, draws attention after rumors and accusations each Election Day. But how many accusations produce actual evidence? Incredibly few. This is because states already establish identity during the registration process through requiring identification or cross-referencing driving records. http://www.suntimes.com/news/7677379-418/gop-push-vs-voter-fraud-based-in-rumor-not-reality.html

As Republicans warn of catastrophe at the polls, an expert on election fraud explains the real partisan hoax -- the suppression of Democratic votes. http://www.salon.com/2008/10/15/voter_suppression/

Voter fraud is just a dark GOP fantasy: Connie Schultz http://www.cleveland.com/schultz/index.ssf/2011/08/voter_fraud_is_just_a_dark_gop.html

Grinch, everyone knows what's going on here. The following article sums it up pretty well..

Already, Team Obama is putting voter fraud policies in effect to tilt the election. Eric Holderís stance on the right of individual states within the U.S. to require voter identification is the most obvious example. Several court cases have already upheld the statesí right to require voter identification.

Furthermore, many studies have shown that requiring voter identification prevents voter fraud and is no more illegal than requiring identification to obtain Medicare or Medicaid or social security payments. Nevertheless, , Holderís moveóespecially claiming that voter identification requirements are racist---is indicative of the panic that Democrats in power are feeling as the 2012 election looms and they search for ways to replace ACORNís fraudulent voter numbers.

More recently, Team, Obama is speeding up the immigration process and rushing illegal aliens to citizenship, often ahead of those who have waited, patiently and legally, for years. A 2011 report exposed the problem wherein the immigration visa processors within DHS are, apparently, being pressured by senior officials within the agency to approve applications as quickly as possible, often ignoring issues relating to eligibility and security.

Many Americans have broad-based concerns about immigration, illegal and otherwise, and there is broad-based consensus that the current immigration system and our nationís policies need reform urgently. But what the Obama Administration is doing is not the kind of reform Americans had in mind. This current urgency to relax immigration standards in advance of the upcoming election looks exactly like it is-- a craven attempt to mine for new voters to tilt the election.

http://townhall.com/columnists/luritadoan/2012/01/09/democrats_embrace_voter_fraud/page/2
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Yes, and I am of the opinion you already have or, if you actually haven't, you would still do the research to check on the figures that someone else provided....so you may as well go ahead - if you haven't, of course


I havenít researched the figures Mike, largely because I donít think I need to at this point, you see I donít have a preferred position on this issue Ė Iím simply waiting to be convinced one way or the other.

When someone suggests that voter fraud is so rife that the only option is to introduce sweeping ID laws the best way to convince me is to show me how rife voter fraud actually is. So far I see lots of jumping up and down, wringing of hands and gnashing of teeth but no actual figures to verify the claim.

Iím still waiting to be convinced.

Will I double and triple check the figures if any turn up?

Absobleedinglutely

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I won't be the one spending time trying to convince you, grinch. When you have a political party, democrats,  doing their best to squelch laws that would deny illegal aliens to right to vote, and those same illegals vote unanimously democratic, that says it all for me. If there were no problem there, Dems would not be fighting so hard against it. I will let people's individual logic make their own choices. If yours doesn't, that's fine with me.
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I won't be the one spending time trying to convince you, Grinch


The trouble is Mike that without providing some sort of evidence to back up your claims youíre unlikely to convince anyone else either.

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I don't presume to think or speak for others. They can draw their own conclusions. I'm satisfied with my presentation, most of which you have ignored. Be well.
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I'm satisfied with my presentation


You must be easily satisfied Mike.



Youíve presented a bunch of figures suggesting the electoral register isnít as accurate as it could be and absolutely no evidence whatsoever that any of those dead folk etc. have ever cast a vote.

Iím not really surprised that you havenít presented any real evidence though Mike, common sense suggests that if the evidence existed those in favour of photo id would have been pointing it out at every opportunity. If they havenít managed to find clear evidence of voter fraud with the resources they have available itís a little unfair to expect you to.

Letís pretend for a moment though that evidence of rampant voter fraud does exist and that those unscrupulous Dems are experts at utilising it. Can you explain why they donít win every election?

When Republicans win is it that theyíve been better at voter fraud than the Dems?


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I'm not going to keep trading jibes with you, grinch, as our conversations always seem to turn out to be. Republicans want controls in place to insure that voters are legal residents. Democrats do not. People can draw their own conclusions from that fact. Think what you like. I've officially lost interest in continuing the conversation.
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[Edited - please address the post and not the posters - Ron]

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I've officially lost interest in continuing the conversation.


So have I Mike.

As I said at the start, without accurate data regarding the extent of voter fraud and the possible negative impacts, itís impossible to have a serious discussion about photo ID. If you ever find any though give me a shout and Iíll be happy to talk about it.

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What a quandary of conspiracies, eh?  

Iíve had an I.D. since I was 12. Military dependent. Not sure why anyone would feel disenfranchised over an I.D. BUT? I think poll integrity is a sorry sidestep for atrocious roll failures.

Grinch has a point and you touched on an incident that is on topic.

Dems claimed Bush stole the vote against Gore in Fla. and that the small winning percent could have been the dilution of immigrants or illegals. I donít support any of this, because If Hispanics "unanimously vote Dem," Mike? Gore would have won. So, either the Reps did a really great job of diluting the polls while the Dems did a really crappy job, while the Independents remain dully inept? This makes the Vote a scam deal from day one, and no one person is really ďwinningĒ anything, because we have a crapton of losers competing for the majority of saboteur dilution.

Why the Dems arenít the ones who are trumpeting stricter poll integrity and I.D. laws, Iím not sure, but hereís one theory: Theyíre letting the fear factor do its job. Becoming ugly or paranoid over any issue distances a win. Candidates, like Bush, have proven that itís best to sincerely address, but not attack, immigration issues during an election year. Perhaps they are following his lead?

Some thoughts on that and the rolly pollys:

1:  The Bush/Gore vote. Bush might really have won because he actively sought & won enough of the Hispanic vote or Gore might have really lost because he didnít win Tennessee. Nothing really disturbing there, but it is a lesson on the perceived notions about Latinos/Tennesseans.

2: Dilution of the vote does happen. People are caught for voter fraud. They are prosecuted. So, the integrity of the polls isnít THAT screwed. Hard time and hefty fines donít seem worth it to me, but maybe some are that willing and willful in their attempts to commit a felony, which must be proven. Most allegations of fraud cases are not willful attempts of fraud. They are clerical errors & or voter errors.

3: The voter rolls are fear catalysts on the issues of poll integrity. The systems are broken. Still Broken Attempts to clear up this issue are being made, but they are still not up to par. Dead Remain Every state has similar headlines and issues. The clerics are failing to do their jobs & or the systems used to track the data are failing. Each state pulls data from different offices & systems to fit their voting laws/models. The handshaking between each office is famously flawed. This is the widespread culprit of many conspiracy theories at the polls. Dead people and felons who lack clearance are on the rolls. Some live people are dead people on the rolls. Some felons have not been cleared on the rolls after completion of their sentencing and probation, etc. The events of wrongful purging are entirely rampant.Nashville Purge Iím guessing that the numbers of people who have had their voting rights wrongfully revoked are astronomical in comparison to the numbers of people who willfully take their chances to commit a felony at the polls.

4. I.D. laws may help stop voter fraud, but broken rolls stop legal voters who already have plenty of forms of I.D.  The tax dollars required to set the records straight in every state will be astronomical. So, how important is poll integrity to U.S. Citizens? Tax payers have to pay more to be officially known as Tax Paying Citizens on officially correct rolls. Shouldnít be a real problem; due to those who are in the lead in this election being a direct reflection on citizens having no problems with paying more. (Unless every single voting poll there out there is defunct.) Conservative spending & or cuts are not a part of the leadsí histories or agendas. Ron Paul is still the Invisible Running Man and, according to Press, heís not even electable. LOL. With all of his experience, solid history, and Identification. Hahaha. I find that ironic.

5: There are hundreds of pending apps to legislate a universal voting law. Constitutionally, all residents would have to register to vote or decline, explicitly: Opt In or Opt Out   Sound familiar? This might change how flawed the system is, or not? But then thereís the issue of more big gov, compulsory, profiling and privacy issues, etc.

6: Bad Government rolls downhill. I believe the governments on the state levels are side stepping several issues, like the badly broken voter roll issue for the tackling of a bigger beast: Immigration issues. Voter fraud fears are very convenient leverage for taking a preemptive initiative with attrition by enforcement. The House is expected to remain inflamed and divided on immigration issues as they are obviously baffled (all the way around) and unable to progress toward real solutions. Let the Feds police immigration state to state? Uh, yeah. Why are we here?

On Arizonaís constitutionality: ďIn its most recent decision on preemption, Levine v. Wyeth (2009), the Court declared that "[w]e start with the assumption that the historic police powers of the States were not to be superceded by the Federal Act unless that was the clear and manifest purpose of Congress." Every state has an inherent "police power," which allows the state to legislate for the health, safety, morals, and welfare of its people.Ē (William G. Ross)

Hispanics represent 16% of the population. Very few vote by their own accounts. I realize it only takes one vote for a win. But, again? Iíd say that the percentages of illegal immigrants, who chance getting caught at the polls to cast a vote, are infinitesimal compared to the percentages of blocked-but-valid votes from citizens. I guess it boils down to which is the bigger wrong or more passionate concern of the people which does happen to include Hispanic citizens.

I do not support that Hispanics vote unanimously Dem. & especially when it comes to Obama.

My Hispanic friends and affiliations are highly angry with Obama over the contraception coverage. The majority of them are Catholic, but even my Protestant friends are in an uproar over this issue. They are deeply committed to their traditional values. So much so, that many state they voted for Bush because he opposed gay marriage. Deportations have increased under Obama, not decreased. And any recent "attention" Obama is giving to Hispanics is seen as posturing for his campaign (by Dem. Hispanic lawmakers and those who have been paying attention) because he's failed on immigration reform and The DREAM Act, etc. Yeah, he gained some respect for appointing Sonia Sotomayer to the Supreme Court, but he facepalmed on the 5 Dems. that voted against the DREAM Act. Hispanics feel he should have been just as convincing to those Dems as he was to them if they voted for him as Prez. Obama has proved that he is no es un hťroe para los Hispanos. And the Dems have proven to be flimsy sidekickers.

Obama is pulling a Bush. A Bush in the hand is worth two in the cuckooís nest.   I don't think he's counting on voter fraud. Heís just trying to have more face showing beneath the egg.

Sorry. I guess I had a lot to say today
 
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