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(There is nothing in this version that breaks the guidelines of the alley. For those wishing to see the unsanitized version, it is in the Grok Forum)


Limbaugh has been singled out and condemned across the national media – ABC, CBS, NBC, CNBC, MSNBC, NPR, PBS, Associated Press, The New York Times, The Washington Post, the Los Angeles Times, and USA Today.  President called Ms. Fluke personally to applaud her bravery. Obama said he telephoned Sandra Fluke, who was labeled a "slut" by Limbaugh, because he doesn't want people who speak their minds about policy issues to be discouraged or attacked. Asked to comment on Limbaugh's apology, Obama says he doesn't know "what's in Rush Limbaugh's heart." Obama said the incident made him think of his two daughters and his hopes that they can engage in issues they care about in the future. He said he doesn't want his daughters "attacked or called horrible names" for speaking their minds and being good citizens. Did Obama call Ingraham, Palin, or Rick Santorum's wife for liberal attacks and name- calling against them by liberals? Of course not.

Everyone remembers Ed Schultz calling Laura Ingraham a “slut” on his radio show.
MSNBC suspended him for a week, but none of Schultz’s advertisers dropped his show under media pressure. There was no pressure. Some of the same sponsors now pulling out of Rush’s show still support Schultz.
What Schultz said is nothing compared to his colleagues.

Fellow talk show host Mike Malloy hoped Sarah Palin “drives herself into madness” and insisted Michele Bachmann is an “evil 'broad' (sanitized) from Hell” who would have gladly supervised the Holocaust.

Montel Williams rooted on Air America for Bachmann to slit her own wrist or throat.

Randi Rhodes insisted that teenage boys weren’t safe from Palin’s advances if they stayed over at her house.

Last July on HBO, he said Palin was “a bully who sells patriotism like a pimp, and the leader of a strange family of inbred weirdos.”
Last September on his show, Maher said Palin would have sex with Rick Perry if he was black.
He recently made a joke about Rick Santorum’s wife using a vibrator.
Days after he called Palin an offensive word,  he appeared with then-CNN host Eliot Spitzer, where Spitzer concluded, “Your show is brilliant. I love watching it.”

Maher recently gave a one million dollar donation to Obama's super PAC.  Former White House deputy press secretary Bill Burton, the man who runs Obama's super PAC, did not reply when asked if he will be returning Maher's $1 million donation.

On Sunday, Democratic Party chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz huffed on “Meet the Press” that "I don't know any woman in America that thinks that being called a slut is funny." But two months ago, she accepted an invitation to sit on the set with the man who called Palin offensive words.

A couple of years ago, “comedian” Louis CK “joked” on the Opie and Anthony radio show, calling Sarah Palin  a long list of extremely offensive words. Guess which event this same fellow is headlining in June? -- The Radio and Television Correspondents Dinner.
“We’re very excited about having Louis C.K. at the dinner,” said Jay McMichael of CNN, who chairs the Radio and Television Correspondents Associations’s executive committee. “This is an evening you’ll want to experience.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/03/05/rush-to-censor-limbaugh/#ixzz1oNxuGLLi  http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/will-obama-super  -pac-return-misogynist-bill-mahers-million-dollar-donation_633200.html  http://www.thenewstribune.com/2012/03/05/2054466/obama-to-  hold-first-news-conference.html?storylink=fb#storylink=cpy


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     Mr. Maher is a political satirist.  He makes a point of being politically incorrect about political issues and politicians.  He does seem to have something of a leftward slant these days, but he is willing and able to satirized anybody in the political realm.  He has given significant amounts  of guest time to people with Right Wing views, and even taken their side in some of the ensuing discussions.  I have seen this with my own little eyes.  I saw him defending Ann Coulter against attack, though certainly she can do well enough on her own; and I have seen her appear as a guest on his program on at least two occasions.  He has also featured other Right Wing spokespeople.  I have seen him criticize President OBama, and I have enjoyed watching P. J. O’Rourke on Mr. Maher’s program as well.  Mr. Maher is an equal opportunity satirist; he lampoons fools of all political stripes with an equal and savage gusto, and he is to be admired for that.

     What Mr. Limbaugh says about politicians may be difficult to tolerate from time to time, but they are professional politicians, after all, and  comments made about them may be in poor taste but most folks believe they are protected speech under the first amendment and that’s the way things work in our democracy.  The compression of Feminist and Nazi is a work of propaganda that seems to me to be better than anything I know about Josef Goebbels.  Alas, I have no real German, and can’t tell for sure.  But Mr. Limbaugh does seem to be a talented propagandist of that stripe, and seems to be able to make a crowd of what would otherwise seem to be reasonable Americans sound very troubling indeed.

     As long as he remains focused on politicians, this seems to be business as usual.

     The various examples of people who seem bothersome all seem to fall. oddly enough, within that protected range as well.  That is, they are comedians or satirists who are commenting about politicians that they dislike.

     Furthermore, if I understand the examples you offer correctly, the comments are just that — single comments or passing statements that are probably in terrible taste and which could and probably should be apologized for, but that, my friend, is pretty much it.  Unless you’re concealing examples, none of these folks sat down behind a microphone and spent hour after hour and day after day as a method and as a policy pouring poison into the ears of the public about folks who were not professional politicians.  Veterans who didn’t like a war policy, for example, certainly didn’t earn being called cowards by Mr. Bravery himself.  And calling a law student a slut and a prostitute was seriously vexing to a fair sized portion of the American public, even without, one may assume, the knowledge that she was trying to speak up for a friend who was unable to get medical treatment for a problem that was not about birth control or abortion at all.

     This is a tactic of Mr. Limbaugh’s, not a one off sort of thing.  

     So this is not really the question of fairness that the thread would have you believe it is.

     Mr. Maher is not a Left Wing  Stooge, he’s a free-lance satirist who has friends and acquaintances and guests on all sides of the political spectrum.  

     Mr. Limbaugh is a Right Wing apologist and stooge.  He has a habit of going after people he believes to be helpless, like Ms. Fluke and like the Vets that he thought he could get away with calling cowards.  When he developed an OxyContin addiction, he didn’t even get his own drugs, he used a cut-out in the form of a maid in his employ to take the risks of doing the buying for him.  After all, why take a risk yourself when you can have a woman you employ to clean your house to take the risk of jail for you.  Now there’s a man for a whole political party to admire

     Let me see, blame the law student or Blame the Bloviator?

     I’ll have to think very deeply about that one.

      No?

     You mean, Blame the Satirist who allows people from both sides a fair shot at the fools, no matter if the fool  is President Obama or Rick Santorum.  I don’t think so.

     Yeah, the line you quote about His wife was to my mind out of line.  It was also in the context of Rick Santorum making a very large deal about the private sexual lives of other people.  Santorum is a former senator with a history of making other people’s sexual mores an issue, and near as I can tell this was bad taste but protected speech.  She was part of his campaign and you’re developing convenient blindness about the fact that she and all the rest of the people you feel upset about here are Politicians.

     While I happen to think that Mr. Maher should have apologized, his comments were still protected speech.  

     Mr.  Limbaugh’s may have been protected speech as well, for that matter; I’m not a lawyer, and I can’t tell you.

     But you can’t have a campaign that says it’s on the side of decency and morality have a spokesman treat other people in this fashion this consistently with this little care and with such complete absence of class and continue to get away with it.  Once Mr. Limbaugh started doing whatever it was he was doing while he was paddling about talking in that huge verbal swimming pool of his, other people began to emerge in large numbers from those luxurious heated Excellence in Broadcasting waters with nauseous expressions on their faces, holding their noses and looking for showers with disinfectant soap.  No wonder he feels the need to apologize on air.    

     No wonder Ms. Fluke is in no hurry to hear anything he’s got to say.  The truth is that Mr. Limbaugh is a monster who’s been getting away with living like a real live human being.  He needs to go off by himself and all the flies he needs to amuse himself with and simply leave the rest of us alone.  When you look up the word, you know, he’s really a very close fit.


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Definition of MONSTER
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a : an animal or plant of abnormal form or structure

b : one who deviates from normal or acceptable behavior or character
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: a threatening force
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a : an animal of strange or terrifying shape

b : one unusually large for its kind
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: something monstrous; especially : a person of unnatural or extreme ugliness, deformity, wickedness, or cruelty
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: one that is highly successful
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/monster


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My commentary ran on Facebook this morning. (It's all Ron's fault--he moved the party there.) Um, the PIP party.

I played fair too. I expressed my disgust at both sides. (So I got a little dyslexic when I did, but that might be permanent now.)

Name calling by "journalists" should have been policed by the parties for which they presume to speak. If it won't be policed by the political parties, the people will do it.

As an Independent, I would like to politely ask, in what capacity does Rush Limbaugh serve the Republicans? Is he considered a leader, a voice of unity? Until this week, he seemed to have an awful lot of clout. I could be wrong, though. Did he have less clout than I assumed he did?? Or am I underestimating his influence even after his obvious faux paus?

I don't take any of them too seriously now.

Well, maybe Rachel...she's so gracious, she does recant her occasional errors while inviting her audience to face-check her, as well as inviting politicians of opposing viewpoints to her show, for a debate, which, when I've seen someone take her up on them, seems to be without the seething hatred and ridicule that I feel is disparaging to the dignity of our nation, via the thoughtless jibes by BOTH parties.

I'm really at a loss as to what to say about the Republican party right now Mike. I said it here before and I'll say it again--I LIKE the two party system. I agree with many of the points Republicans have made, so I'm not as glee-filled as others by any of this.

I like choices.

I could vote for a Republican, based on one criteria: If a candidate emerged that made the campaign promise to roll back this Super Pac conundrum, that candidate would have my attention.

I'd like to see this election go down in history as the ONLY election that allowed such a blatant attempt to buy the American dream. And I do think the ordinary citizen has to their part as well, which is to prove themselves to both parties that their votes cannot be bought. That's really what's bothering me. I'm not much in the mood to defend the character of ANY politician, much less the flying monkeys of commentators.

Except for Rachel.

Now. I think I'll go back to Facebook and try my hand at some poker.

It's all Ron's fault. *chuckle*

See ya at the tables, darlin'.
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It doesn't really matter what other people have said in the past Mike, what really matters is who the target is and how they say it.

The US has a constitutional right to free speech, that doesn't however mean that you can say anything to anybody at anytime, there are boundaries. For instance while public figures are regarded as open targets when it comes to slanderous attacks, private citizens are protected by law. That protection has been eroded over the years by high court judgments that have allowed private citizens who have temporarily entered the public domain to be cast as public figures. However, all those legal gymnastics don't seem to have swayed the general public's view of who is and who isn't a legitimate target.

What makes the Limbaugh/Sandra Fluke incident different from all the other examples you gave is that, to many people, she clearly wasn't fair game. He could have called Nancy Pelosi a slut and a prostitute to his heart's content and there'd have been a couple of raised eyebrows and a few chuckles but Limbaugh picked the wrong target - he basically shot Bambi both out of season and without a permit.

I'll be surprised if he survives the backlash.

If the Dems have any political sense whatsoever they'll milk this for all it's worth and if the Republican's have any sense they'll avoid this particular battle, it's one they're unlikely to win.

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Thank you, Serenity gal, for your sincere comment. As far as the other two comments are concerned, thank you both for pointing out how far people will go to justify the unjustifiable, depending on which side you choose to take.

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     Calling comments unjustifiable categorizes legalistically as being just or not justice.  This suggests some sort of court of arbitration in which one functions as judge.  The jurisdiction of this court, the range over which the word diction) of the court (the "juris" part of the the jurisdiction) appears to extend seems to be the boundaries of Mike.  

     This was something that was clear before I, at least, sat down to respond to the teaser at the beginning of the thread.  Seeing it come after I had bothered to respond seemed to be redundant.

     What came between was a response to the initial thinking about the thread, first on my part, the on Serenity's, then by Grinch.  I really liked what both of them had to say.  I hadn't thought about Rachael Maddow's response  to all of this, but she really is quite a substantial woman.  She does go out of her way to allow voices from the Right a space to define themselves in the debate on her program.  I envy how easily she tolerates her own mistakes and how straightforwardly she acknowledges them, and I'm grateful to Serenity for bringing some of that awareness into the conversation.

     I'm also grateful to Grinch for a concise and non-rancorous statement of exactly How Mr. Limbaugh inserted foot into mouth.   I enjoy how well Grinch likes to stick to the point of things and not get side-tracked.  

     That is, Mike, a very large part of the problem here.

     There is nobody on the left who is even close to Mr. Limbaugh in his function for Party loyalists, nor in his attack dog status, nor in size of audience nor in sadistic willingness to pursue and savage for hours and days at a time.  The examples you offered were, I'm sure, well meaning.

     The only one with an audience that might offer a chance at comparison is Mr. Maher, and Mr. Maher is a satirist who will satirize anybody left or right whom he considers a fool.  He doesn't confine himself to fools of one party.

     Saying I am unjustified or even we are unjustified is a judgement whose basis isn't even offered for comparison to judgements of those others we might understand.  Just because, in other words, you say that you agree with yourself, offers us no compelling reason to do so as well based on logic, fact, reason, song, dance or entertainment value, and only the somewhat limited endorsement value of Mr. Limbaugh, who's judgement is in serious question at the moment.

     In my judgement, you are a swell fellow who's wrong about this one, but I'm a democrat, and even my own party can't agree with itself half the time.

    
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I wasn't trying to point out how far people might go to justify or defend the comments from Rush or anyone else for that matter Mike.

I was simply trying to point out that arguing that other folk had made the same type of comments, which is a pretty weak sauce argument on its own, is even less convincing in this case given that the targets of the comments aren't seen by people as comparable.

All the examples you gave Mike are comments towards public figures, and are clearly legitimate within US law and protected by the Constitution, despite the fact that your average Joe, Bob or even a nasty Grinch would find them inappropriate, if not downright distasteful.

As I explained when answering your question, I believe Rush's distasteful comments differ in that a large number of people seem to believe that his target wasn't a public figure and therefore shouldn't have been on the receiving end of his verbal detritus.

For what it's worth, I think they're right regarding Limbaugh's comments and wrong about the underlying point he was trying to make.

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http://radioviceonline.com/cost-for-birth-control-pills-near-georgetown-9-at-target/    
  
"Honestly, how can you not roll your eyes at this testimony when you know the cost is $324 for three years, not more than $3,000, and Fluke includes statements like this…"


I roll my eyes at the idea that a thirty year old intelligent woman did not know this . . .

What can she be called then?

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"Fluke graduated from Cornell University in 2003 and spent five years working for Sanctuary for Families, a New York-based nonprofit aiding victims of domestic violence, where she launched the agency's pilot Program Evaluation Initiative. She co-founded the New York Statewide Coalition for Fair Access to Family Court, which successfully advocated for legislation granting access to civil orders of protection for unmarried victims of domestic violence, including LGBTQ victims and teens. Fluke was also a member of the Manhattan Borough President's Taskforce on Domestic Violence and numerous other New York City and New York State coalitions that successfully advocated for policy improvements impacting victims of domestic violence."

This biography of hers, grinch, places her above and beyond your definition of private citizen. She is an activist on a public stage, not simply a nice college girl minding her own business while attending classes, which is the image some would like to give.  I admire her for it and, no, it does not justify her being called a slut, but she has a record of placing herself in the public eye, where criticisms do occur.  She is certainly as much a public figure as Santorum's wife, who Bob claims deserves Maher's vibrator crack since she is part of Santorum's campaign (simply by being his wife, I must assume).

I was simply trying to point out that arguing that other folk had made the same type of comments, which is a pretty weak sauce argument on its own,

That's only part of it. Yes, other folks had made similar comments but the fact is that their comments were barely touched by the mainstream media while Limbaugh became the lead-in story for every mainstream station.

I can't believe you fellows cannot see how this was all set up.  First we have a hearing, entitled ""Lines Crossed: Separation of Church and State. Has the Obama Administration Trampled on Freedom of Religion and Freedom of Conscience?"  Ms. Fluke was introduced to it after the deadline and, since there was no time to vet her, Darrell Issa refused her participation, which was the correct thing to do.  Democrats complained that there were no female witnesses to speak on behalf of contraception, although two female experts, Dr. Laura Champion and Dr. Allison Garrett, did testify in a second panel. After Ms. Fluke was denied the opportunity to speak, the Democrats invited her to attend and address the House Democrats and submit her written testimony.

Now, why in the world did she try to get into the original hearing by showing up too late to be vetted?  That was not her first trip to the rodeo.  She knows how those things work. And how is it the the Democrats scooped her up amid fanfare to give her the opportunity to have her words made public?  You really don't think this was a setup? The democrats wanted for her to be refused at the hearing. They wanted her testimony to be given to them and then, when criticism came forth, they would use her as a poor victim of Republican abuse. Of course, when Rush called her a slut, their cups runneth over with joy and they had their martyr and the Democrat "War Against Women" crusade went into high gear. MSNBC dedicated and entire day to examining this war on women.

I'll be surprised if he survives the backlash.

..and I'm surprised that you would even say that.  To paraphrase Mark Twain, "his death has been greatly overexaggerated".  Rush will survive this very easily. It's not the first time Dems felt they had him in their crosshairs and yet here he still is. Many people will see this whole thing for what it really is. As far as sponsors are concerned, Rush has mentioned before that there is a long list of companies waiting in line to be sponsors...and why shouldn't they with the exposure he gives?  Those who like Rush will stand by him. Those who don;t really don't matter since they didn't like him in the first place. Rush will continue with the same popularity he has always had.

If the Dems have any political sense whatsoever they'll milk this for all it's worth

Of course they will. It's this week's choice of topics to use to get people's minds off the economy. They will find that they will not get a lot of mileage out of it, however.  There are a whole lot of people out there who consider a college student in one the most expensive colleges in the country crying about buying her own birth control pills as being laughable, at the very least.
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Bob, when you began your comment with   He (Maher) does seem to have something of a leftward slant these days, I kind of lost interest. Does seem to have....??? Maher has been a flaming liberal for years. Your proof is that he has guests with right wing views? Well, so does FOX. They routinely have democratic congressmen on as guests and liberals sitting on their panels. Does that make them impartial? Not to you, which you have made clear on numerous occasions.

The truth is that Mr. Limbaugh is a monster who’s been getting away with living like a real live human being.  He needs to go off by himself and all the flies he needs to amuse himself with and simply leave the rest of us alone.  When you look up the word, you know, he’s really a very close fit.
COmments like that do you no favors, Bob, although it is interesting to see just how far Limbaugh can get under your skin.
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In case you may feel, Grinch, that I'm simply hung up on some "conspiration theory", it appears I'm not the only one.

Here are comments from a fellow college student....

I’m a proud Georgetown woman upset about another Georgetown woman who may have no pride at all.  How else do you explain  - Ms. Sandra Fluke, a Georgetown Law student, now famous for testimony she never gave – jumping up to talk about her sex life (with the House Minority Leader and with the liberal media) and ask for the cost of her sex life to be subsidized by other students at a Jesuit School?

Sandra Fluke was declined the privilege (a privilege, not a right) of testifying in front of a Senate Committee on the proposed contraceptive mandate.

Her name was submitted too late to be admitted to testify.  She’s not a lawyer. She’s not a member of the clergy – crucial for a hearing on religious freedom, wouldn’t you say?  That’s what Representative Issa said.  Her one claim to fame in the reproductive health care debate is…drumroll, please…being a student club leader! You go, Sandra! Hang those posters girl. Wear out those Sharpies.

Having been told by Congress to more or less shut up and go home, Sandra found a sympathetic ear in Nancy Pelosi.  She is not going to find one on the Georgetown Campus. She is wildly out of step.

Senate Democrats needed a show pony for this circus – and they knew they could find a liberal woman on a college campus who would willingly trot around the ring.   That’s why Nancy & Pals created a photo op with all the props – the microphones, the podium, an air of pretense,  and the all-important liberal media – for Sandra to tell her “story.”  And it is just that – a story, told on a stage.

But Nancy Pelosi and the Liberal Media should know that they can no longer rely on college campuses as an endless source of liberal support. My colleagues and I at TheCollegeConservative are creating a new wave on campuses across the country. Every day we make it a little safer to be conservative – out in public – without fear of bad grades as a result of our views. Sandra should know we have no fear in calling out a classmate for thoughtless liberal ideology.

Sandra Fluke doesn’t speak for me. Or for Georgetown.

http://thecollegeconservative.com/2012/03/02/sandra-fluke-does-not-speak-for-me/

This spells out the mechanics of the plan pretty clearly..

Chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform, Darrell Issa, scheduled a hearing on religious liberty in the face of the ObamaCare mandate requiring the purchase of contraceptives by all employers regardless of their own religious beliefs. It is customary for the minority party (Democrats at this time) to choose one witness. The Democrats chose Barry Lynn and Sandra Fluke. Byron York of the Examiner provides some detail.

    “The Democrats played games with us the day before [the hearing],” says a Republican committee source.  “After days of asking for a witness, they waited until the last-minute, the afternoon before the hearing.  They asked us to invite Rev. Barry Lynn [head of Americans United for Separation of Church and State] and Ms. Fluke.  We said we’ll invite one, per standard procedure.  We formally invited Rev. Lynn, and the Democrats, at 4:30 pm, changed their mind and said they wanted Fluke.  We said too late.  They told Rev. Lynn not to show up the next day.”

    Issa explained that Democrats had requested Barry Lynn, that Lynn was invited, and that Democrats then retracted the Lynn request.  As for Fluke, Issa said Republicans had never heard of the Democrats’ last-minute choice.  “I asked our staff what is her background, what has she done,” Issa said at the hearing.  “They did the usual that we do when we’re not provided the three days and the forms to go with it. They did a Google search. They looked and found that she was, in fact, and is a college student who appears to have become energized over this issue and participated in approximately a 45-minute press conference…I cannot and will not arbitrarily take a majority or minority witness if they do not have the appropriate credentials, both for a hearing at the full committee of the U.S. House of Representatives and if we cannot vet them in a timely fashion.”

The Steering and Policy Committee is the committee that actually had Sandra Fluke address them on February 23. The purpose of the Steering and Policy Committee is to assign fellow party members to other House committees, and it also advises party leaders on policy. It is chaired by Nancy Pelosi. What does anything that Sandra Fluke has to say have to do with assigning party members to other committees or advising party leaders on policy. Nancy Pelosi policy on ObamaCare was clear, “we have to pass the bill to find out what’s in the bill.” She didn’t do any fact-finding then, and she isn’t interested in facts now. It was all a show, and it was all for what is popularly called the “optics”.

The lie has been crafted. It’s about policing a woman’s body. It is being packaged. It is being taken on the road at The View, she has been on NBC news three times, and she received a phone call from President Obama.
http://libertyslifeline.com/2012/03/07/sandra-fluke-putting-the-lie-in-play/

Gentlemen, it's a dog and pony show and that's all. Too bad you can't see it.
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Nancy Pelosi held a congressional hearing earlier this week with just a single witness, Georgetown student Sandra Fluke, to testify about the need for the Obama administration’s mandate that religious institutions provide free contraception and abortifacients under their health insurance plans, according to The Weekly Standard.

Fluke came to the attention of the media when a number of Democrats stormed out of a House Oversight and Government Reform Committee hearing on religious liberty to protest Fluke’s non-inclusion.

Committee Chairman Darrell Issa refused to allow the Georgetown University Law Center student to testify because she was going to talk about the importance of contraception and not about religious liberty, which was the subject of the hearing.

So Nancy Pelosi allowed her to testify at essentially a one woman hearing.

    “Forty percent of the female students at Georgetown Law reported to us that they struggled financially as a result of this policy,” Fluke testified regarding the Catholic university’s policy of not covering birth control. “Without insurance coverage, contraception, as you know, can cost a woman over $3,000 during law school.”

So the Weekly Standard did some legwork and showed that the birth control pill could be purchased for as low as $9 per month at a pharmacy near Georgetown’s campus without insurance.

    Nine dollars is less than the price of two beers at a Georgetown bar. But this is the justification the mandate’s supporters give for forcing religious institutions to purchase insurance that violates their religious and moral convictions.
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"Fluke graduated from Cornell University in 2003 and spent five years working for Sanctuary for Families, a New York-based nonprofit aiding victims of domestic violence, where she launched the agency's pilot Program Evaluation Initiative. She co-founded the New York Statewide Coalition for Fair Access to Family Court, which successfully advocated for legislation granting access to civil orders of protection for unmarried victims of domestic violence, including LGBTQ victims and teens. Fluke was also a member of the Manhattan Borough President's Taskforce on Domestic Violence and numerous other New York City and New York State coalitions that successfully advocated for policy improvements impacting victims of domestic violence."

This biography of hers, grinch, places her above and beyond your definition of private citizen. She is an activist on a public stage, not simply a nice college girl minding her own business while attending classes, which is the image some would like to give.  I admire her for it and, no, it does not justify her being called a slut, but she has a record of placing herself in the public eye, where criticisms do occur.  She is certainly as much a public figure as Santorum's wife, who Bob claims deserves Maher's vibrator crack since she is part of Santorum's campaign (simply by being his wife, I must assume).



     Really, Mike?

     And at what point is social work and social activism the same thing as having one’s name on a ballot or having one’s spouse’s name on a ballot and making political speeches for yourself or your spouse’s personal quest for holding office?

     Having done social work for a while, I can assure you that neither I nor my lovely wife have acquired a political pension, nor have we sought one.  Nor does it appear from the bio that you’ve supplied for Ms. Fluke, does it appear, that she has one.  Nor does it appear that she has sought one, as yet.

     At best, it is preparation for political office; but in this country, even a college professor can run for office.  I would think that having social concern would not necessarily be a qualification.

     The biography in no way defines her as a politician, only as somebody with some concern for her fellows.  The reasoning simply doesn’t even begin to connect.

     It would supply amply justification for attacking saints on the grounds that they have concerns about others and are willing to be socially active in expressing their concerns.  The same logic you’re putting forward would justify an attack on Mother Teresa.  Think about what you’re saying.

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I could start an entire thread about the ridiculous things Ms. Fluke said but this one is enough, I think...

“When I look around my campus, I see the faces of the women affected by this lack of contraceptive coverage," Fluke testified. "One told us about how embarrassed and just powerless she felt when she was standing at the pharmacy counter and learned for the first time that contraception was not covered on her insurance and she had to turn and walk away because she couldn’t afford that prescription. Women like her have no choice but to go without contraception.

“Just last week, a married female student told me that she had to stop using contraception because she and her husband just couldn’t fit it into their budget anymore. Women employed in low-wage jobs without contraceptive coverage face the same choice."



Spare me, please.......
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Sandra Fluke....Mother Theresa....hey, why not, Bob? Let's toss in Joan of Arc, for good measure.
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     You made a mistake in your call on Ms. Fluke.  Trying to find a way out for Mr. Limbaugh by suggesting that being a social activist makes you a politician is the same sort of loophole that Mr. Limbaugh tried to get away with.  

     Mr. Limbaugh is on the hook for real for being a Monster and for acting like one.  It's simply not a good thing in this country.  As far as Republicans go, I must say, it doesn't seem to be entirely bad, though.  In some Republican circles, it even appears to be a great thing; and it certainly seems to pay well.

     Mr. Limbaugh, perhaps with these facts in mind,  now appears to be moving on to attack another women, an author of a book on how the poor are unable to afford decent food, and the affect that it has on their health.  He called this author one of those "Over-educated women."

    This attack seems to fit my allegation of Mr. Limbaugh's a monster quite well.  Maybe, on the other hand, she cut him off in traffic.  It looks at first blush, though, that she wrote a thoughtful and socially conscious book.  Apparently she has a history of that sort of thing.  He mentioned that with a certain upset in his tone, about her winning an aware for socially conscious writing in 2006.

     Clearly being "over-educated" is simply a breeding ground for socially conscious writing.  We can't have women doing that, can we?

     Tell me, how is somebody "over-educated?" unless it's in comparison to somebody else?  

     And who, pray tell, might that other person or those other persons actually be?

     As I said, Mr. Limbaugh is a Monster.  You know, while I'm thinking about it, Ayn Rand was a socially Socially woman, too; and so is Anne Coulter, who is also a lawyer and by definition, educated.  Mr. Limbaugh is a monster.

     In case you are curious what I mean by that, the dictionary definition was appended the first time I used the term in reference to Mr. Limbaugh a few postings back.  If you have an actual quarrel with my use of the term in relationship to the man, then perhaps you might make reference to the definition and mention which of the dictionary attributes you believe he doesn't fit.  Near as I understand the rules, he only really has to fit one.  

     I may — and I say here may — be willing to grant that he's not entirely a plant  It would be a lively discussion, though.  
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I have no quarrel, Bob. You can refer to him any way you like..


"The Monster Vs. Mother Theresa" now playing at your local Democrat theater!
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quote:

I could start an entire thread about the ridiculous things Ms. Fluke said but this one is enough, I think...

“When I look around my campus, I see the faces of the women affected by this lack of contraceptive coverage," Fluke testified. "One told us about how embarrassed and just powerless she felt when she was standing at the pharmacy counter and learned for the first time that contraception was not covered on her insurance and she had to turn and walk away because she couldn’t afford that prescription. Women like her have no choice but to go without contraception.

“Just last week, a married female student told me that she had to stop using contraception because she and her husband just couldn’t fit it into their budget anymore. Women employed in low-wage jobs without contraceptive coverage face the same choice."


Spare me, please.......



     Frequently birth control is a real bargain.  It should be a part of the Student health care package, especially for graduate students.

     Not everybody can use the low cost brand.  Every woman's body is not the same.  It would be better if everybody might qualify for $9.00 prescriptions or even free prescriptions.

     Those who wish to be spared, of course, should not make assertions designed to draw responses; or should not cite those very quotes whose distressing contents they thus proceed rhetorically to inflict so theatrically upon themselves.  I do understand that the suffering must be terrible, but someone must bear it.  You have my sympathies.  

     I can only add that I'm glad that it's not me.  I would have to take up drinking.

     One wonders what the prescription contraceptive was that the women was trying to get filled.  I would suspect that it was not, in fact, for the two beer a month contraceptive tablets the helpful Target pharmacist was speaking about.  

     That's what I suspect.

     Thank you very much.
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That's what you suspect....based on what, Bob?

All these poor women so stricken with poverty that they can't afford contraceptives COULD drive the 1.7 miles from campus to the Planned Parenthood Center to get them for free...but maybe they can't affort the gas, either? I'm beginning to feel sorry for all of these Georgetown poverty-stricken students.

None of this, of course, deters from the fact that this whole thing was a carefully orchestrated Democratic stage play. If they could run the country as efficiently as they can conduct smear campaigns, we would all be in clover.
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     You have agreed to do the research on what's available for free in Washington for birth control, Mike.

     What's this about planned parenthood clinics.  What are the facts that you're supposed to have supplied?

     You haven't forgotten, have you?
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Actually, I had. Ok, Bob, I'll have time tomorrow afternoon. What are you looking for? Whether or not there are contraceptives at no cost?

Btw, just saw some hilarious videos of Dem congress people scattering like scared rabbits when asked if, since they condemned Limbaugh for slandering a woman, if they believe Obama should give back the million dollar donation from Maher, since he also did the same thing. No one would comment on that one. Wonder why???
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     Maybe because it's a complete change of subject from the  one we seem to be dealing with here, which APPEARS to be the way Mr. Limbaugh picks individual women and attacks them as a way of keeping his show lively.  And how his extended sexual diatribes get him into trouble, such as his suggestion that he was paying for Ms. Fluke's birth control and thus was entitled to to films of her sexual activities for his personal sexual delectation.

     If I were to make references of this sort about another member of this forum, my freedom of speech would be swiftly and I think probably rightly limited for getting unjustly personal.  We try to draw something approaching the lines of civility that I suggest that the public is fairly naturally demanding of Mr. Limbaugh, and I believe that they have over time been more than generous with him in tolerating his personal attacks on people who have done essentially nothing to deserve them.

     Mr. Limbaugh, as I have pointed out, is at it again with another women, this time a woman who has written a book on healthy food.

     Mr. Limbaugh doesn't limit himself to a single word or to a few well chosen phrases, either.

     Why would President Obama give back Mr. Maher's money?  President Obama doesn't particularly like this sort of PAC money in the first place, but allowing Republicans to take the money and not doing so himself suggests that he is principled to the point of stupidity, something that it appears Republicans enjoy in their Democrats, and may even count on.

     I would say that it's an excellent try, except it really isn't, on the part of a Republican, to get a Democrat to do something that stupid.  The best I would say is that it doesn't hurt to try, and that maybe you'll get lucky next time and run across somebody like me, with more principles about these things than real-life smarts about the way things should work.  You might actually talk a fool like me into it.
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Why would President Obama give back Mr. Maher's money?

Well, after Obama's phone call to Ms. Fluke, after talking about how he wants his children to be able to grow up, unafraid to speak their minds without the threat of being called a slut, after Debbie Wassermann Schultz declaring how NO WOMAN in America would appreciate being called a slut or worse, one could think that someone with character to back up their words would not take money from someone who has constantly used that word and others on women. Yes, Palin in a political figure and Santorum's wife is married to a politician but last time I looked they are both women and fall into the category of Schults's comments and also Obama's. If the congressmen asked believed that there was nothing wrong with taking it, why not just say so instead of ducking into cars or shielding their faces or turning or walking away quickly without speaking like thieves in the night? You know why...so do I.

I would say that it's an excellent try, except it really isn't, on the part of a Republican, to get a Democrat to do something that stupid.
Republicans don't need to do anything to get Democrats to do something stupid. Democrats are very good at doing that all by themselves.
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To my mind a woman who obviously lied or treated her
audience as gullibly stupid invalidates her lady’s pass.


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I could start an entire thread about the ridiculous things Ms. Fluke said ...

Which would certainly be the correct response, Mike. A discussion about what a person says or does is always preferable to one about who or what they are. Maybe you can advise Limbaugh of that next time you see him?

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The truth is that Mr. Limbaugh is a monster ...

A statement, Bob, that is no less distasteful than the one Limbaugh made about Fluke. You seem to be doing precisely that which you are condemning.


 
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