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You are right, LR. It doesn't do anything to Holder at all. It's just a Ripley's moment. There will be plenty of other bullets for Holder to dodge...and he better have a better shield than "blame the republicans!"
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Uncas, I don't know what you double-checked but there are many reports that the Bush plan had tracking devices in the weapons while F&F did not. Also, the guns under the Bush plan were tracked while the F&F guns were not.

One Bush-era program, Operation Wide Receiver, was conducted from 2006 to 2007 and oversaw the sale of about 350 firearms to known and suspected straw buyers for Mexican drug cartels.
Under Operation Fast and Furious, thousands of firearms were sold to known and suspected straw buyers for Mexican drug cartels. http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/192385-dems-try-to-turn-tables-on-fast-and-furious

1. Wide Receiver was less than one-quarter the size of Fast and Furious, involving about 500 guns. About 450 guns made it across the border into Mexico. Not only was Fast and Furious much larger, but it was only one of several gun walking operations launched by the Obama Administration. In fact, intrepid CBS reporter Sharyl Attkisson says she has “found allegations of gun walking in at least 10 cities in five states.”
2. Unlike the Obama Administration programs, there actually was a serious attempt made to track the Wide Receiver weapons. Some of them were fitted with radio tracking devices. The cartel gun buyers figured out how to defeat the tracking system by driving around in circles, until the tracking planes ran out of fuel and were forced to return to base. Also, some of the tracking devices were damaged when ATF agents improperly inserted them into the guns.
By contrast, one of the signature features of Obama gun walking is that absolutely no effort to track the guns was ever in place. ATF agents have testified they were expressly ordered to stand down when they tried to follow the cartel straw purchasers. Whatever mistakes were made in Operation Wide Receiver, there’s no way to argue that Operation Fast and Furious was not much worse… because they should have learned from what happened in Wide Receiver. http://gunfreezone.net/wordpress/index.php/2011/10/10/csgv-finally-speaks-about-fast-furios-and-screws-it-up/

Regarding the fallout from Fast and Furious, Holder said that "unfortunately, we will feel its effects for years to come as guns that were lost during this operation continue to show up at crime scenes both here and in Mexico."
Several ATF agents have testified that they were ordered by superiors to let suspected straw buyers walk away from Phoenix-area gun shops with AK-47s and other weapons believed headed for Mexican drug cartels, rather than arrest the buyers and seize the guns there.
The goal was to track the guns to trafficking ring leaders who long had escaped prosecution. ATF lost track of some 1,400 of the more than 2,000 weapons whose purchases attracted the suspicion of the Fast and Furious investigators. http://news.yahoo.com/holder-regrets-misleading-fast-furious-letter-162809913.html
 
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