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There's been little media attention so far but the protests seem to be spreading - are you for or against them or indifferent?

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So far, from what I can tell, these protesters are as clueless about that which they're angry as were the original Tea Partiers  before the corporate money came in and organized them, marketed them, and transplanted leaders into their ranks.

They appear to be leaderless and without any specific objective,  so its hard to say.

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Iagree. They don't seem to know what they are protesting about or what solutions could change the way things are.

It was a little entertaining about the SSocialist studen who staged his "The bank took my parent's home!" charade.
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While current targets address a variety of issues being protested, including police (understandable), mainstream media (poor choice), big banks and their approach to mortgages, poverty, Sotheby's, social inequality, genetically modified food, tuition costs and/or having to pay back student loans, having to pay for food and/or for rent, global warming, corporate greed, the execution of Troy Davis, and apparently the existence of Brooklyn Bridge, the way the panoply of NYC Wall Street protests has evolved, they have become, to deliberate political demonstrations, what flash mobs are to shopping.
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Who is financially supporting these people? They obviously aren't supporting themselves by working at a JOB. Or are these the nation's unemployed population?
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WHo is supporting them, Denise? Look left...
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LOL....maybe that's where some of the missing Stimulus funds went, to Soros and Van Jones groups, to finance this communist garbage.
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Yep, Van Jones has jumped right into this one....and will someone please tell Biden who Van Jones is???
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“Eighty-seven percent of upper-income Americans -- those making $75,000 or more annually -- own stocks, as do 83% of postgraduates and 73% of college graduates.”

http://www.gallup.com/poll/147206/stock-market-investments-lowest-1999.aspx


Overall a little over 50% of Americans are invested . . .

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quote:

“Eighty-seven percent of upper-income Americans -- those making $75,000 or more annually -- own stocks, as do 83% of postgraduates and 73% of college graduates.”
http://www.gallup.com/poll/147206/stock-market-investments-lowest-1999.aspx


Overall a little over 50% of Americans are invested . . .



     Absolutely true!  And I think this is a fabulous idea.

     Back in 1963 I ran into a couple of Soviet graduate students in economics wandering the campus of Cornell University, where my father was taking his Ph.D. in Business Administration.  Calling them "graduate students" was probably giving them short shrift, because each of them already had a Ph.D. back in the old USSR, but they were charming and smart and they had a very different point of view on things than anybody I knew, so I brought them home for dinner and conversation with the family.

     They were indeed shocked to learn that so many ordinary folks were invested in the stock exchange; it wasn't common knowledge in the Soviet Union, not even among party members, which both our visitors in fact were.  Dad took them for a visit to the local supermarket — in retrospect, a bit of a patronizing thing to do — and showed them the variety of options available.  They were impressed.  He even showed them the dog food section, the canned dog food — they didn't see the need for such a thing in the soviet union at the time — and then the monster-sized fifty pound bags.

     The senior soviet economist looked at the bags, looked at dad, looked at the bags again and said in one of the driest comments I've ever heard, "Oh," he said, with the pronounced Russian accent, "for parties!"

     We ran into them again a few times over the next year or two; both were dear guys.  In conversation, one of them acknowledged that he himself would have liked to own his own private car.  I'm afraid it might have gotten him in trouble with the other.  I hope not.

     But I'm afraid, in our own eagerness to sell our own system to them, we might have misrepresented it slightly.  The number of people who own stock is right, though I don't think that they own it because they've bought it themselves.  I think a lot of them have it because they are members of a retirement program that has invested in the stock market for them, it has often done a pretty good job of it.  Technically these folks own stock, but to suggest they have any actual competency at the market is a gross exaggeration.  I know I don't.

     And there are people who are extremely interested in getting their hands on the money of people who can be talked into giving it to them to invest.

     While there are loads of wonderful, ethical and competent folks in the industry, there are also a fair number of people who are not and who would be thrilled to tell you what to do with your money.  During times when the market is doing well, it seems to any fool can make a million bucks by sneezing.  

     During times when the economy is tanking, the reality of the situation becomes a bit more starkly drawn.  For folks with much investing experience, it is clear that the hype about what happens even during boom times has been more than slightly misrepresented, and that some skill is needed in order to even break even, let alone to do well.  This is not a skill that I have or even pretend to have.

     It is not a skill that many investors have either.

     This would be the time that I would gently remind anybody who's read this far of the Republican plan to dismantle the social security system and turn the money over to you, the private investor, to double, triple and quadruple the shabby returns that social security offers you as return on your hard earned money.  I would ask you, humbly, what would have happened to you and your social security supplemental retirement funds if they'd been taken out of social security in the year 2000 and if you'd put them into the market at that point, perhaps into the hot computer stocks at that time.  Where was the market then, and where is it now?  And what do you think your money at that time would be worth today if you'd followed the Republican advice?

     If you'd been a particularly lucky insider, perhaps you'd have done well, of course.  

     Would you have been one of them?

     Or do you think that you'd have been smarter to use money that would not have been in a social security account to make speculative investments of these sorts, in retrospect?

     Is there some reason for regular folks to be a little bit miffed with the way people are running wall street and the banks and the investment houses.  I'm not waving any sign around, myself, but I believe we have not been doing a great job in policing the antics there.  How many people were charged and tried in the Savings and Loan scandals, and how many, in comparison, were investigated and charged in this latest round of economic woe.  How many investigators were assigned in one case, and how many were assigned in the other?

     If you wonder about upset about Wall Street, then it would seem to me that the answers to those questions might offer some answers, if, in fact, there is any interest in getting answers before calling names and setting up the gallows begins.  I haven't noticed any, myself.
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The stock market probably wouldn't have tanked without the manipulations of Soros and his ilk, we wouldn't have lost a huge percentage of our savings/retirement funds and we would probably have someone else as president right now. Speculation, but something that I would bet money on if I had any.

And now in true anarchist/communist form they are trying their bottom-up/top-down strategy to attempt to collapse the system  to put the final nail in the coffin.
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/9269-big-soros-money-linked-to-occupy-wall-street
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     Interesting speculation, but very difficult to substantiate, Denise, at least in the forms that you supply above.

    
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Other Soros-backed outfits promoting big government — some with myriad ties to the Obama administration — are also publicly driving the occupation campaign. MoveOn.org, for instance, has received millions of dollars from the billionaire banker. And now, the group is urging its supporters to join the Occupy Wall Street movement as well.  

“Over the last two weeks, an amazing wave of protest against Wall Street and the big banks has erupted across the country,” MoveOn said in a recent e-mail to supporters, praising the “brave” demonstrators. “On Wednesday, MoveOn members will join labor and community groups in New York City for a huge march down to the protest site — the biggest yet.”

On top of supplying activists to join the demonstrations, MoveOn is also staging what it calls a “massive ‘Virtual March on Wall Street’ online.” The Internet-based demonstrations are a collaborative effort with another radical and well-connected outfit tied to Soros called Rebuild the Dream.

Led by self-described communist and former Obama administration czar Van Jones, the “Dream” movement is a partnership between a host of Soros-financed “progressive” groups. Big Labor and even Planned Parenthood — the largest abortion provider in America, which receives hundreds of millions of tax dollars each year — are partners, too.



     Apparently the right has taken an extreme dislike to Mr. Soros, enough so that any mention of his name is supposed to mean that any enterprise tainted with acquaintance with it is an example of unmitigated evil.  Denise's references are rife with comments about Soros-this and Soros-that.  Perhaps the fact that Mr. Soros is a Capitalist has managed to skip past the awareness of the entire right wing, and that in many ways he is a ringing endorsement for the Capitalist values they espouse.

     The very mention of Mr. Soros is supposed to make us forget that he is a Capitalist, and make us think that he is a demon.  Denise then trots out the regular list of Right  wing demons, including the organizations that support unions, women's health, regulation of financial markets, and suffering witches to live.

     It has not been terrible to support people who disagree with you in this country for at least ten years, and shooting union members has not been generally supported since the Ford motor company and many of the mining companies hired Pinkerton's to take the dirty work off company hands at least twenty years back.  From the way Denise rages about unions and communists, you'd think that there was an active conspiracy to wipe out democracy coming from people whose politics start from Dwight Eisenhower and go left from there.

     It isn't true.

     I read through the article that  Denise referenced as the source for her speculations, and this is what I found:  A list of other articles for further reference.  I include them here for your inspection and consideration.

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Related articles:

Police Brutality, Mass Arrests Draw Attention to “Occupy Wall Street”

Unions, Socialists Join Forces to "Occupy Wall Street"

“Day of Rage” Wall St. Occupation Sparks Fears

George Soros Funded by the House of Rothschild

George Soros Touts China as Leader of New World Order

Former SEIU Union Official Exposes Plot to Collapse U.S. Economy

Union Leader Describes Plan to Destroy Capitalism

Union Leader Proposes Economic Terrorism — Where Is the DOJ?

ACORN Keeps Members' Dues After Bankruptcy

Fed Manipulations in the Crosshairs


  

     In other words, these are the usual suspects, essentially indistinguishable from the same folks that the Nazis would have listed:  Trade-unionists, Communists, socialists, blacks, anti-capitalist forces, anti-statist forces, and Jews.  Denise, my dear, I think you're being taken for a ride by some very dubious people with a sweet line of patter and evil intentions.

     There's not a single point of view there that shouldn't be welcome in an American election, and whose speakers shouldn't be allowed as free a hearing as your own, so long as they don't advocate the overthrow of the duly elected government by force of arms.  And these are  points of view that the tea party and the Republican party with its occasional talk of "second amendment solutions" have come very close to advocating themselves, in case you had not noticed.  I certainly have.

     At least one of the references that you offered, by the way, was not available for copyright reasons.

     Perhaps your publication couldn't come to agreement with the copyright holder.  Have you asked yourself what other reasons copyright permission might not be granted?  It may well be something perfectly harmless of course, and we should consider this first of all, to be fair.  To be fair, as well, one should also consider that the publication was not making appropriate use of the material in question, and republication rights were not granted for that reason.

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Denise, Soros has a right to complain about capitalism...he only made a little over 7 billion last year. As with most rich Democrats, he publicly preaches against the rich and privately laughs at the gullible for believing him. He and Michael Moore make a good team....two perfect icons of the democrat party.
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"The tea party name is meant in fun, inspired by an amusing rant from CNBC's Rick Santelli in February 2009, when he called for another tea party in response to Obama's plan to bail out irresponsible mortgagers.

The tea partiers didn't arrogantly claim to be drafting a new Declaration of Independence. They're perfectly happy with the original.

Tea partiers didn't block traffic, sleep on sidewalks, wear ski masks, fight with the police or urinate in public. They read the Constitution, made serious policy arguments and petitioned the government against Obama's unconstitutional big government policies, especially the stimulus bill and Obamacare.

Then they picked up their own trash and quietly went home. Apparently, a lot of them had to be at work in the morning."
Read more: This is what a mob looks like http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=352177#ixzz1a0KRxK00
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Just how much revenue was/is the State
of New York and New York City getting
from Wall Street?

Didn’t the Obama campaign get a nice slice as well?


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     I would hope so.  As businesses and owners of real estate in the city of New York and in New York State, they should pay the aqppropriate taxes in those locations as well.  It depends on which parties are in charge, how those revenues are distributed, though, doesn't it?  My understanding is that the current Mayor of New York is Republican, though I believe the current governor is Democratic.

     Yet I remember fairly clearly when the Republican leadership traveled to New York to speak with the folks in wall street when the country was at the height of its upset after the the economic disasters in 2008 and the country was crying for blood and regulation andfor wholesale investigations of wall street and the various investment houses and banks.  And after some brief discussions, the Republican leadership returned to washington and bravely stood up for the business interests and preached caution.  We certainly didn't want to rush — not so much to judgement, but to investigation of fact finding.  The Republicans have bravely stood by their courageous stand ever since, at the same time as they have turned the cold light of blame on those who have lost their money and jobs as a result.  And at the same time that they have bravely stood against any serious attempt to set a recovery plan into effect by priming the pump of the economic engine.

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    I spent a day or two volunteering down at a homeless shelter a few weeks back.  It cost me energy and time, neither of which I had or have a lot to spare.  I found the experience educational.  I commend it to anybody who doesn't mind getting their hands dirty on occasion.  I was told that one of the big needs was for tube socks.

     A fair number of these folks were working, they simply didn't have a place to live.  There were also a fair number of families.

    

    

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I spend two days a week, every week...one in a soup kitchen and the other at the outreach crisis center. I do not think of my time and energy in terms of costing me and I find it more than educational. It is right.
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"For".

I'm for them.

I'm for the ones against them too.

Wasn't this country founded as a result of protest, formalized, finally as a republic of democracy?


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Absolutely... and for  that reason I'm for their right to do so, also....peacefully and with respect to others.

If protestors showed up on your front lawn, trampling your grass and flowers, defecating in your yard and screaming obscenities while blocking your driveway, I'm not so sure you would be too supportive. I know I wouldn't be.

In a way, I'm glad they are out there, doing it. They have no plan and half of them don't even know what they are protesting against. It's a "to do" thing, like the flower children of the 60's, except that even THEY knew what they were protesting. WHy am I glad? They are being fueled and led by liberals....Van Jones, Michael Moore, George Soros, Alec Baldwin,  Susan Sarandon, and other multi-millionaires protesting against the capitalistic system that made them rich. They may call themselves the 99% but I feel pretty sure that the vast majority of Americans who get up in the morning and actually take showers and then go off to an actual job, look on them with disdain. They do no favors for the liberal cause.

What  we are seeing is our educational system in action, where liberal professors and administrators fill young minds with mush  and turn out graduates that can't even write a protest poster in correct english but know for a fact that the country owes them a living and capitalism is evil.

Good luck to them in the real world.
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It's a "happening"
simple


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They are coming here too:
http://www.leaderpost.com/business/Occupy+Regina+plans+protest/5509318/story.html

What exactly are they trying to do with all this protesting?  
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Become memorable


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They have no idea, Ess. As John said...it's a happening. Be there or be square (in 60's talk). Individuals have been asked by reporters that same question and they can't answer it.

I'm hoping it's not a liberal dress rehearsal for things to come.
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During a press conference Thursday afternoon, House minority leader Nancy Pelosi praised those participating in the “Occupy Wall Street” protests. ”God bless them,” Pelosi said, “for their spontaneity. It’s independent … it’s young, it’s spontaneous, and it’s focused. And it’s going to be effective.”

“The message of the protesters is a message for the establishment everyplace,” said the House Democrats’ leader. “No longer will the recklessness of some on Wall Street cause massive joblessness on Main Street.”

Pelosi did not comment on–and was not asked about–the law-breaking that occurred during the protest over the weekend. About 700 protesters were arrested by New York City police after the protesters “swarmed the Brooklyn Bridge and shut down a lane of traffic for several hours,” according to CBS News.

When the Tea Party movement emerged in 2009, then-Speaker of the House Pelosi called them “astroturf” and “un-American” people who were “carrying swastikas.”

http://dancingczars.wordpress.com/2011/10/06/pelosi-on-occupy-wall-street-protesters-god-bless-them/

Maybe you should ask Pelosi, Ess. She claims they are focused and will be effective...in what, I have no idea.

So, for Pelosi, it's God bless the occupiers and damn the un-American, astroturf tea partiers. Why am I not surprised? Surely she can realize how much of an idiot she projects herself to be....wouldn't you think???
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Remember when Barack Obama said that the Tea Party “expresses the frustrations that the American people feel?” Oh, wait. That wasn’t the Tea Party he said that about. It was Occupy Wall Street, the group that liberal writer Michael Scherer described as “marginal, rag-tag, ill-defined and without focus.”

Based on their latest shenanigans, Scherer could have added violent to his list of descriptors. Last night members of New York’s finest clashed with demonstrators for the second time, but this time things really got ugly. The New York Post reports that

    skirmishes broke out along Broadway, with arrests at Liberty, Cedar, Wall and Ann streets.

    In most cases, protesters tried to jump barricades, drawing sharp police responses.

    The biggest clash happened as more than 150 marchers demanded access to Wall Street from Broadway.

    About 25 of them tried to push through, as officers used clubs and Mace to move them back. One cop in a white shirt, signaling he’s a supervisor, was caught on camera wildly swinging his baton in the battle, which led to at least six arrests.

Shades of the Tea Party, no? No. Jim Treacher at The Daily Caller asks rhetorically, “Who’s more likely to get arrested, a Tea Partier or a Wall Street Occupier?” but only the most abject liar on the left could profess not to know the single truthful answer to that question.

In addition to their proclivity toward violence, the OWSers still seem to be a group in search of a message. But neither that nor their angry-mob mentality has stopped the president from expressing his admiration for them.

http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2011/10/06/obama-speaks-out-on-occupy-wall-street-youll-never-guess-how-he-views-them/
 
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