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They may call themselves the 99% but I feel pretty sure that the vast majority of Americans who get up in the morning and actually take showers and then go off to an actual job, look on them with disdain.



     I hadn't heard the 99% meme before your use of it, and I have trouble understanding what's meant by it.  However, I think that your  love for hyperbole may have gotten you into hot water in your statement above.  If the unemployment rate is 9.1%, as was reported on the news the morning; and if that rate is enough to ignite the rage that you've attributed to the public on those occasions when I've seen you draw conclusions from it, then the anger is and should be general, Mike.

     You've been confidently rageful about the direction of the anger.  You've been attributing it steadily to the Democrats and to the left, and the notion that any significant part of that anger may be directed toward the Business community, toward the Right and toward the actions of the Republicans appears to be catching you at a very uncomfortable place.  

     I don't know for sure.  I do know where  my sense of personal logic and my personal grasp of history would tend to send me in looking for an explanation.  I think that the right has been over-reaching and that they've gotten folks steamed about that fact to the point where there may be some risings in the streets.  This is the sort of thing that pushed the country toward the left in the thirties, or at least potentially it may be.  In some social work circles it's thought that Roosevelt was a conservative who vas forced to make concessions to the left to prevent an overall revolution.  I'm somewhat dubious of that theory, personally, but you do hear it spoken about from time to time.

    The fact that we're even using the term "Wall Street" in serious discussion suggests that the conversation is sounding more and more like a Tom and Jerry Cartoon in some ways.  Nevertheless, the country goes through periods like this from time to time, and I guess this may be one of those times when we aren't thinking about what we're saying to each other very clearly.

     While there may not have been as many nazi party flags at tea party gatherings as folks on my end of the political spectrum remember, the tea party folks may have occasional memory lapses about their ability to allow democratic senators and congressmen to address their constituents on health care proposals without being shouted down without being permitted to speak.  They may also have forgotten that these tactics are certainly permissible, but also have a chilling effect on free speech and political dialogue in a democracy.  I have trouble believing that Tea Party folk would encourage such tactics be brought to meetings featuring their own candidates as the major speakers, though I may well be wrong.

     Suggesting that this current wave of protests is bad is something I find bothersome, since I haven't seen a lot of data yet on whether they are in particular Democratic, Independent or Republican in nature.  They do, however, seem almost certainly anti-exploitation in nature.  

     I would be curious who would wish to identify him or herself as being pro-exploitation at this point in time, and why they would even think such a stance would be politically useful, not to mention morally useful.  I'd think that it would be wise to have the nature of the  message to be far more clearly defined before saying that exploitation is good.  Just saying.

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     They look well groomed to me, Mike.

     They also seem, it strikes me, to be about as antithetical to the "1%er's" that a lot of biker guys used to wear as part of their colors, and maybe still do for all I know.  I haven't seen any folks sporting biker colors about these parts recently.  Whoever did that photo  seemed to be doing work good enough to be used in a publicty still, as far as I can tell, and the photo didn't make anybody look thuggy at all.  Even the sign was well lettered, and the little girl was cute as a bug.

     Doesn't mean they're not all machine-gun totting killers, but you'd really have to go a long way to prove it to me.  Post many more photos like that, and you'll be behind them yourself.
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I posted the pic to expand your knowledge of the 99% theme, which you claim you were not aware of.

If I were to post tea party photos, would you be as lavish in your praise and be behind them yourself.....? I doubt it..
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Let's check out some of the signs to see  what they are protesting and what  they want changed...



"Even in a good economy,I'm unemployable"
(why?)

"Screw you, Mr. CEO (unless you're hiring)"
(guess he only hates ceo's that don't hire him. The rest are ok)

"We're like the tea party with fewer misspelling"
(not in your wildest dreams, miss)

"We demand sweeping unspecified change"
(Well, that one says it all, doesn't it?)



(I have no idea what she is trying to say)



(nice sign by the Party for Socialism and Liberation)



"Rights for people, not corporations"
(Ok, they don't want corporations to have any rights)

"End wealth inequality"
(in other words, give ME some!)

"Venceremos! We will win."
(with a nice pic of Che Guevera, one of the bloodiest killers in history)



(What happened to the no misspellings???)
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(like what??)



(it says "end corporate na mean personhood." someone will have to translate that one for me)



(ah, one of the benefactors)



THIS is the scariest one of all. I believe him.


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What I don’t see is anyone making clothes to wear on their backs
or shoes on their feet.  .  .  .


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     I was not aware of it, Mike.  I appreciate the posting.  I didn't think you would support the wall street protestors.

     The misspellings they were talking about the first time were the kind of misspellings I'm prone to myself.  I'm simply a poor speller, and I depend on spell-check, and the tea party folks are a prone to the bad spellings as I am.  It's a widely spread flaw without much political coorelation, near as I can tell.

     A lot of us who were taught to "sound it out" as a strategy to pronounce and spell words have developed even worse spelling habits than usual, since I'm told that brain research tells us that learning how to spell is a visualization skill.  One remedial method that seem to work is teaching poor spellers how to develop how to do clear internal visualizations, which is a skill I'm still very poor at.


     The misspelling that Mike is making fun of later is different.  "Yer" is a dialect variation of "your" and the person who was writing it spelled the dialect variation correctly.  Not, f0or example like spelling the word "were" as if it were "wir," which is a straight error and not a dialect variation.  Most english teachers would probably pan "yer," of course, but if you ran across the same spelling in a Bill Mauldin cartoon — Willy and Joe, circa 1943 — everybody would know what it meant and be fine with it.

     The original no more misspellings was simply some jerk who was trying to suggest that Tea Party folks were illiterate.  It's a stupid dig, on the same order of calling liberals "elites."  Stereotyping at its worst or best, despending on how you want to think about it, I guess.
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     Ah, John, I don't see anybody making shoes for your feet or clothes to fit on your back, either.  That's part of the point, isn't it; all those jobs went to China and other countries with globalization and the taking down of tariffs and trade barriers.  Some of those people would be happy to be working those jobs, especially at union wages.

     But I think you were probably saying something that was a put down of these people who'd been put out of work while the guys in the boardrooms were scalling back the american jobs, giving themselves raises and tossing the Republicans large donations  Were you about to say something about shiftless and lazy?  I would've sworn I heard you subvocalizing something like that.
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I was going to forego posting for Yom Kippur..... but...since when do we use Mad Magazine as a source?   Did some of your Conservapublteaze send you those pics in an e-mail Mike?  Haven't you been through the primer before (taught by uncas I believe) on photoshopped signage?

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SInce I'm sure Alfred E. Neumann was in the crowd somewhere with a "What? Me worry" sign, I felt it appropriate.   Point taken....and the others??

Happy Yom Kippur, btw.
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Well, I'd love to have a long conversation with the lady in the red tanktop -  about her sign  ( astrological or other   but the rest, aren't even sourced at all, which makes the one from Mad more credible than them, I'm afraid.....


oh, and thanks for the well wishes, but, um...happy, and Yom Kippur are sort of contradictory.... but what do you suppose the odds are of my spending the day in fasting and prayer to try to persuade G_d not to give me the retribution I so deserve for having the nerve to have been born?  any observence on my part at all is strictly a reflection on ancestors and mortality, and on how un-guilty I feel about my own existence....and  that my Jewish heritage is just, yet, one more connection from which I am, disconnected... but hey -  there's a Gwyneth Paltrow movie on
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It would be simple to source them by just typing occupy wall street photos in Google but why bother? All dodging aside, i'm sure you know they are actual and there are hundreds more like them.  The protestors are true rebels without causes.
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"If protestors showed up on your front lawn, trampling your grass and flowers, defecating in your yard and screaming obscenities while blocking your driveway, I'm not so sure you would be too supportive. I know I wouldn't be."

Why, that happens every year.

We call that Mardi Gras.

And sometimes I'm with 'em, and other times, I just take my phone off the hook, put a blanket over my window and wait it out...as I curse the plastic beads that never seem to ever go away.

Then comes Lent, Ash Wednesday, repentance, redemption and another year of madness.

It's all very cyclic.
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"Michael Oher, offensive lineman for the Baltimore Ravens, was online on Wednesday night when his Twitter feed started filling up with tributes to Steve Jobs. A bewildered Oher tweeted: “Can somebody help me out? Who was Steve Jobs!”

He was on his iPhone at the time.

“Who was Steve Jobs? Well, he was a guy who founded a corporation and spent his life as a corporate executive manufacturing corporate products. So he wouldn’t have endeared himself to the “Occupy Wall Street” crowd, even though, underneath the patchouli and lentils, most of them are abundantly accessorized with iPhones and iPads and iPods loaded with iTunes, if only for when the drum circle goes for a bathroom break.


The above is a somewhat obvious point, although the fact that it’s not obvious even to protesters with an industrial-strength lack of self-awareness is a big part of the problem. But it goes beyond that: If you don’t like to think of Jobs as a corporate exec (and a famously demanding one at that), think of him as a guy who went to work, and worked hard. There’s no appetite for that among those “occupying” Zuccotti Park. In the old days, the tribunes of the masses demanded an honest wage for honest work. Today, the tribunes of America’s leisured varsity class demand a world that puts “people before profits.” If the specifics of their “program” are somewhat contradictory, the general vibe is consistent: They wish to enjoy an advanced Western lifestyle without earning an advanced Western living. The pampered, elderly children of a fin de civilisation overdeveloped world, they appear to regard life as an unending vacation whose bill never comes due. . .


in my new book I quote H. G. Wells’s Victorian Time Traveler after encountering far in the future the soft, effete Eloi: “These people were clothed in pleasant fabrics that must at times need renewal, and their sandals, though undecorated, were fairly complex specimens of metalwork. Somehow such things must be made.” And yet he saw “no workshops” or sign of any industry at all. “They spent all their time in playing gently, in bathing in the river, in making love in a half-playful fashion, in eating fruit and sleeping. I could not see how things were kept going.” The Time Traveler might have felt much the same upon landing in Liberty Square in the early 21st century, except for the bit about bathing: It’s increasingly hard in America to “see how things are kept going,” but it’s pretty clear that the members of “Occupy Wall Street” have no plans to contribute to keeping things going. Like Michael Oher using his iPhone to announce his ignorance of Steve Jobs, in the autumn of the republic the beneficiaries of American innovation seem not only utterly disconnected from but actively contemptuous of the world that sustains their comforts.”


http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/279534/american-autumn-mark-steyn
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No.

The issue isn't that corporations exist, or that companies or individuals make profit.  The issue is Citizens United. K street.  Corporate welfare.  No bid contracts.  Still no regulation of Wall Street -- thanks to the stupidity of the T toters, who rallied against TARP then voted in Scott Brown, who blocked the benksters having to pay back their TARP money.

I'm thinking of starting my own super-pac.

I think I'll call it --- 'Hey Morons learn the difference between being anti-corporate personhood and being anti-corporate fund.'
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Balladeer,

You might want to resize that over-large image in post #30.

It is easy to do: http://www.hiscript.com/HTML-Tutorial/HTML-Images/HTML-Image-Height-and-Width.html

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Thank you.
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After much thought, I came back to dismiss the inclusion of the phrase "defecating on your lawn" as comparably descriptive of Mardi Gras in New Orleans.

I can't think of one instance of that happening here in New Orleans during Carnival season. To suggest otherwise would be hyperbole.

Port-o-lets (portable toilets) are code.

I wouldn't wan't ya'll to think we were uncivilized or just plain stupid or somethin'.

As memory serves, every incidence of human feces found, that I can recall, could be attributed to a child or an act of revenge.

(Just thought I'd throw two more cents in the...pot.)

And btw, don't throw pennies to flambeaux carriers, they are the ones...carrying fire.



Oh sniffs and shudders--the peasants are getting more revolting each year.

Now somebody raise your hand if you know what the term "dead peasant" means in current corporate vernacular.

Raise your hand high and you just might deprive the child behind you of a pair of plastic beads, made in China for less than the above mentioned two cents, utilizing child labor, btw, and resold here, during Carnival, at as much as eight bucks a pair...

WARNING/DISCLAIMER: "The contents of the cake you are about to eat might contain a choking hazard in the form of the likeness of a plastic baby. Proceed at your own risk."

Does anybody else remember that France helped to sponsor those brash upstarts during the American Revolution--even as their own people were acting out in desperation because they were ...ahem...HUNGRY?

And Reb, I love you although I can still see both sides of the doubloon.

(Um, doubloons are usually aluminum, and I've known people who brought them to the recycling center...)

My apologies if the sarcasm sounds hostile, but this part of the country was used, abused and abandoned by both corporations and government a long time ago.

End of Rant.

(note to Bill Maher: this post is copyrighted and um, if you're willing to pay taxes as part of the upper echelon of the one percent? CUT ME A CHECK for my material.)



ciao time!

Mmmhmm.

Yep.

I can see both sides of the argument.
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So Karen... let me just try to understand what part of the argument you 'see'.  

Are you suggesting that corporations should, for the first time in American history, be treated as though they are a person with a right to free speech, and that money is speech, therefore corporations should be able to pour as much money into political campaigning as they want re. 'Citizens United'...even though a corporation can't be executed by the Governor of Texas?
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even though a corporation can't be executed by the Governor of Texas?

LOL! You're overdosing on liberal talking points, LR. That makes about as much sense as Biden, saying "Who is Van Jones?" You gotta stretch that far to get a Perry dig in?
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I am suggesting that corporations be held to the same responsibility as are individual citizens.

To ask if I am "for" or "against" protestations is a trap of a question--ask me, peace by piece what it is they are protesting and I can answer--but don't spread a blanket of opinion on them, because if you do that, then you do it to me.

And I'll protest.

And so would you, lovie. So would you.

It's very good to see you here.

I like what I'm reading in this forum lately.

<--hopes that's okay
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ask me, peace by piece what it is they are protesting and I can answer

That's the million dollar question. No one seems to know. One fellow said he wants all debt to be wiped off the books so everyone can start over. Another said he wants all free college education for all. Another wants all corporations declared illegal. I'm sure there must be some who want free pizzas for life.

It's an event, that's all. Many are frustrated. Many are being paid to be there. Many are sent their by their unions. Many are socialists, carrying signs denouncing capitalism. If it were the 60's many would have flowers in their hair. It's a happening, that's all. It's a group that Pelosi asks God to bless (as if God would listen to her). It's a mob that has produced over 700 arrests. it's something to say to the grandkids in 30 years "I was there!"

They are rebels without a cause. The frustrated ones are understandable but they offer no alternatives. They just protest...
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Seriously?

Government should be taken seriously.

I'm totally serious when I suggest that EVERY TIME a local talk show airs--they need to remind people every fifteen minutes that they are NOT NEWS--oh-you-woulda-giggled-in-the-truck---I totally, literally slapped my husband upside his "haid"--nodding vigorous. He loved it. (You would too.)

occupy Wall Street?

lawd

hard enough to occupy MY street.

Ask me if I'm hungry nowwwwwwwwwwwwwww....


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Is it okay if I'm a self-confessed socialist?
 
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