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Children of Gaza - http://vimeo.com/17421291

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A man has to have his limits Mike. I draw the line at greenhouses.
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Which produced one third of the region's
vegetables among other things . . .


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That's ok, LR. I drew mine at brothels.
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John, I read some about what the Israelis did with their technology with regards to agriculture and it was pretty amazing stuff, especially in an area of the world not conducive to growing crops. I think any reasonable man would consider that to be a pretty good gift to share. Unfortunately, it just goes to show that the PLO is only interested in technology if it relates to weaponry.

LR is right. Food is overrated, anyway.
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     I have no idea who destroyed the greenhouses.  If it was the Palestinians, it was thoughtless rage.  If it was the Israelis, it was scorched earth policy.  I notice that nobody mentioned the second possibility, and I don't know how to evaluate the likelihood of such an outcome.  Leaving such a resource behind would have been a diplomatic necessity; allowing it to remain in Palestinian hands could have been charity or bad business policy or poor economic policy.

     I would certainly like to hear the evidence you have for ascribing this to Palestinian irrationality.  That may be the cause, surely, but having pinned the tail on what appears to be a convenient scapegoat with nothing more than a fairly spotty description of the events does leave me curious since it leave the Palestinians looking fairly foolish in a situation where they have a lot to lose and the Israelis have a fair amount to gain by the outcome.  And as the cop shows keep pounding into my fevered little brain, Cui Bono?  Who benefits?

     As Fox News sometimes says, Just askin'?

  
quote:

L.R.:
L a s t   J u l y ,   f o r m e r   S p e a k e r   o f   t h e   H o u s e   o f   R e p r e s e n t a t i v e s   N e w t   G i n g r i c h   w a r n e d   a   c o n s e r v a t i v e   a u d i e n c e   a t   t h e   A m e r i c a n   E n t e r p r i s e   I n s t i t u t e   t h a t   t h e   I s l a m i c   p r a c t i c e   o f   S h a r i a   w a s   ‚ ¨ S a   m o r t a l   t h r e a t   t o   t h e   s u r v i v a l   o f   f r e e d o m   i n   t h e   U n i t e d   S t a t e s   a n d   i n   t h e   w o r l d   a s   w e   k n o w   i t . ‚ ¨ ù   G i n g r i c h   w e n t   o n   t o   c l a i m   t h a t   ‚ ¨ S S h a r i a   i n   i t s   n a t u r a l   f o r m   h a s   p r i n c i p l e s   a n d   p u n i s h m e n t s   t o t a l l y   a b h o r r e n t   t o   t h e   W e s t e r n   w o r l d . ‚ ¨ ù

S h a r i a ,   o r   M u s l i m   r e l i g i o u s   c o d e ,   i n c l u d e s   p r a c t i c e s   s u c h   a s   c h a r i t a b l e   g i v i n g ,   p r a y e r ,   a n d   h o n o r i n g   o n e ‚ ¨!" s   p a r e n t s ‚ ¨   p r e c e p t s   v i r t u a l l y   i d e n t i c a l   t o   t h o s e   o f   C h r i s t i a n i t y   a n d   J u d a i s m .  


Mike:
. . . a n d   t h a t   m e a n s   w h a t ?   P e r h a p s   n a z i s   t r e a t e d   t h e i r   p e t s   r i g h t ,   n e v e r   f o r g o t   t h e i r   m o t h e r s '   b i r t h d a y ,   a n d   h e l p e d   l i t t l e   o l d   l a d i e s   a c r o s s   t h e   s t r e e t .   S o . . . . . . . . ?   W o u l d   y o u   w a n t   S h a r i a   l a w   i n   t h e   U n i t e d   S t a t e s .   S h a l l   w e   s t o n e   w o m e n   t o   d e a t h   o r   c u t   t h e   h a n d s   o f   t h e i v e s   a n d   a d m i n i s t e r   t h e i r   o t h e r   f o r m s   p u n i s h m e n t ?   T h o s e   p r e a c t i c e s   a r e   b e i n g   c o n d u c t e d   u n d e r   S h a r i a   l a w   r i g h t   n o w   .



    Hmm?

     I don't think you've actually thought about your question, Mike.  You're a bright guy, but the question is a violation of the comstitutional prohibition on 1) cruel and unusual punishments; and, 2) the separation of Church and State, which forbids the adaptation of a State religion.

     If you've heard L.R. com plain about other encroachments of church on state, such as prayer in schools and setting up the ten commandments in a public building and allowing or encouraging the preaching of religion in the military, then why would you assume that allowing Sharia law would be acceptable to him either.  Allowing the imposition of state religious principles is anti-constituational.  

     You should be aware that the depredations against that separation have come from the right in recent years, and I would wonder why you haven't thought to ask your fellows on the right the same question, but phrased differently.  That would be, Since the Christian Right feels it's appropriate to attempt to force its principles and values on the rest of the country on the assumption that they are Right, and they exemplify God's will, why shouldn't Muslims, especially fundamentalist Muslims who share the same belief in their own utter rightness as fundamentalist Christians do, NOT have the right to impose Sharia law that Fundamentalist Christians feel that they have to impose Fundamentalist Christian beliefs.

     After all, many of them seem to be very much alike when looked at from outside, don't they?

     I'd be interested to see what L.R. thinks.

     I'm even more interested in hearing why you, Mike, would imagine that folks on the left would possibly want any religious interference with the rule of law in the United States, when we've been very clear that we want religion out of politics for as long as I can remember; unless it's as a matter of freedom to have your own religious belief — so long as you don't try to impose it by force on others.  

     My curiosity is why the Right would want to stir up religious prejudice against Muslims by suggesting that it might be possible or desirable to impose an unconstitutional situation on Americans that they have not been willing to accept from religions that are already actimely entrenched here?  Why would that be?  It seems to me to be attempting to use hate to divide the people and to stir up rage against perfectly peaceful Muslims living in this country who, for the most part, have been fine Americans.
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     My curiosity is why the Right would want to stir up religious prejudice against Muslims by suggesting that it might be possible or desirable to impose an unconstitutional situation on Americans that they have not been willing to accept from religions that are already actimely entrenched here?  Why would that be?  It seems to me to be attempting to use hate to divide the people and to stir up rage against perfectly peaceful Muslims living in this country who, for the most part, have been fine Americans.



I would say the problem is they DON'T recognize the separation of church and state, and they know of their own desire to inject Mosaic/Christian law into our system, and so they are projecting.
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     Why would anybody else want to do anything different?  Is that your thought, L.R.?  It makes sense to me.

     My friend Nava is heading over to Israel for a couple of weeks later this month to straighten out some family business and to visit with friends and family over there, and I've asked her  to fill me in on what she hears about the way things are going.  She said she would.  She's got friends on the Israeli left and the right, and has had family in the government on the Right (Lekud) who were fairly high up early on, so I'll be interested in hearing what she has to say.  Her Hebrew is fluent, and she's got a couple of other languages down fairly well — one of my favorite folks.



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Unfortunately I'm pretty sure the same applies to the thread topic,  'we wouldn't feel safe until Islam is eradicated so why would they stop until they've wiped us out?'.

Conservatives, after all, do have those big amygdylas;

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Political opinions are considered choices, and in Western democracies the right to choose one’s opinions — freedom of conscience — is considered sacrosanct.

But recent studies suggest that our brains and genes may be a major determining factor in the views we hold.

A study at University College London in the UK has found that conservatives’ brains have larger amygdalas than the brains of liberals. Amygdalas are responsible for fear and other “primitive” emotions. At the same time, conservatives’ brains were also found to have a smaller anterior cingulate — the part of the brain responsible for courage and optimism.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/12/28/conservatives-fear-center-brain/


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http://www.israelunitycoalition.org/news/?p=7217
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THAT from a man that draws the line at greenhouses???

I think that, if a study were performed on liberals, the findings would be that there is another body part much larger on libs than conservatives, based on the elevated sales of Preparation H in liberal neighborhoods.

(you were better off sticking with brothels, LR)
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Larger anterior cingulates and PrepH?  Is there supposed to be a correlation there?  What study is this from?

Don't sweat it Mike.  It's just your enlarged amygdala making you afraid of science!
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(That is strange. Whenever I click into the thread it shows one more reply in it than what is listed before I click into the thread. For example, It said 135 list in the list, but when I clicked into the thread itself I find 136 as the last post.  Is this happening for others? )


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Yes, same here, Essorant.

Interestingly enough, it seems that, although the number of posts is off, the time of the last post is correct.
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Fixed.
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He came...he saw...he fixed.

Thank you, sir.
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I was optimistic.
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Israel VS Israel

Part 1
Part 2
Part 3
Part 4

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     Now I'm having trouble following you, ess.  What are you trying to say?
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     I'm sorry, Ess, it took me this long to try to click on one of the sections.  I hadn't realized they were links, which shows how dense a guy can get.  It'll take me a while, since the first one seems to be fairly lengthy and I haven't the time to finish it now, but it's interesting, and I think the point of view is solid.  Accept my apology, please, for not making the simple connection, but I am not very computer smart.
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No need to apologize for that, Bob   I'm glad you came back and found the links.  

 
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