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Senator Obama's comments, the one's quoted in The National Review flowed from this context, didn't it?

Actually, Bob, I don't  believe it did. I see nowhere in his speech where he mentioned and of the points you brought up. One would certainly think that, as a senator of the opposing party, he would have been happy to spell that out to the public but he simply called raising the debt limit as a sign of leadership failure.

Actually, I admire your attempt to tie in everything you tried to tie into it but, in fact, Obama himself has admitted he made a mistake back then,.

"President Obama now realizes that it is necessary to be of a more mature frame of mind as the occupant of the Oval Office than he was as a mere U.S. Senator. He now realizes we cannot afford to play politics with something as important as the debt limit.

To be fair, all of his fellow Democrats in the Senate cast the same vote. It was all about hardball politics against President Bush. Now that he is President himself, Barack Obama realizes this mistake."

Said Obama: "I think that it's important to understand the vantage point of a Senator versus the vantage point of a...President. When you're a Senator, traditionally what's happened is this is always a lousy vote. Nobody likes to be tagged as having increased the debt limit for the United States by a trillion dollars... As President, you start realizing, 'You know what? We-- we can't play around with this stuff. This is the full faith in credit of the United States.' And so that was just a example of a new Senator, you know, making what is a political vote as opposed to doing what was important for the country. And I'm the first one to acknowledge it."
http://ponderingpenguin.blogspot.com/2011/04/obama-admits-2006-vote-on-debt-ceiling.html

So, Bob, his speech was nothing about war expenditures  concealed from the public  or borrowing money to pay the rich people. It was simple politics, which he freely admits now. Nice try, though

Sincerely, I appreciate your response, I asked for an explanation and you delivered your thoughts. I appreciate it.
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     Thanks for your response and your additions, Mike.  To see some political stuff isn't a terrible shock and I'll make a point of adding those factors to my thinking on the issue on the matter of context.  Party unity and need to establish a reputation for loyalty would certainly have played a part in changing the contexrt for the then senator, and I should have thought of and mentioned those factors in my comments.  I simply didn't weight them so heavily or think them as important as the ones I mentioned.  I'm glad you pointed them out.
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27 posted 07-31-2011 12:56 PM       View Profile for Denise   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Denise

I got a kick out of Kerry's response yesterday that since Obama made that initial comment about the debt ceiling when he was a Senator, it had no chance of passing anyway so Obama knew that, which made is vote just a 'symbolic' vote. So I guess it really didn't 'count'! LOL

You can see that exchange with Kerry and Marco Rubio here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_68GjR6V6zI&feature=youtu.be

I also love where Rubio says he hasn't been in the Senate long enough to believe that was goes on there is 'normal'. LOL
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At this point it could actually be a good thing if the Tea Party supported politicians stick to their principles and the debt ceiling isn't raised but I've a sneaky suspicion that they'll capitulate and follow the party line.

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Only 22 House Republicans voted against the Boehner plan. It passed without their vote. I'm sure the compromise plan with Reid will be even worse in their view so I don't think they will vote for it and I also don't think that their no vote will cause the new bill to fail either.
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How many Tea Party supported members of the House are there Denise?

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I'm not sure of the total, but at least these 22 were, I read. Allen West was but he voted for the Boehner bill. I'm not sure if there were other Tea Party supported members that voted for it.
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