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Why were those sections seen as viable solutions by the Republicans of 1993 and as untenable in 2009?
That's a reasonable question. I can only answer it by my own thoughts and opinions.
First, I think the state of the economy has something to do with it. We are not in 1993, nor is our financial status. Yes, you can argue about who is at fault for that, be it Bush, Barney Frank and Fannie Mae or a culmination of many years of mismanagement that caught up with us. That's not the point here. The financial situation of the country is very different. We went through bailouts, the crash of the housing market, bankruptcies and foreclosures at a level we had never seen. THIS is the time Obama wants to spend more. Why? Yes, Ron had made his view clear in previous posts by saying, "If not now, when?"with regards to health care, cap and trade, environmental issues, getting away from oil and other things. I understand that things can be put off indefinitely but I still think that NOW, at this time, there are enough hardships going around that we don't need another one. At a time that unemployment is at an all-time high, it's not the time to make hiring less lucrative with the promise of higher taxes and health-care costs on businesses.
Second, no one really believes that this is not going to cost the average taxpayer more money. You don't throw another tens of millions of people into a free health care system and expect it to save money and not cost more, not even with your wildest imagination. I asked the question earlier in this thread concerning why, if this is such a wonderful thing, have so many unions, people and businesses filed for waivers from this bill...and why Obama granted them. That question was ignored.
Third, no one liked the manner in which it was orchestrated. It was a 2100 page bill that the congressmen who voted it in didn't even read. it was a bill fashioned behind closed doors by Democrats, nullifying Obama's campaign pledge that everything he did would be out in the open, on C-Span for everyone to see, nothing hidden. It was done just the opposite, with C-span, the republicans and the public banned. It was a bill that caused Pelosi to utter one of the most ridiculous statment in congressional history..."We have to pass it so the American people can see what's in it." They don't like the sleazy tactics the Democrats used to get it through, beginning with
Republicans Battle Pelosi Over Plan to Pass Health Bill Without Traditional Vote http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/03/16/pelosi-plan-pass-health-care-traditional-vote-riles-critics#ixzz1SvrjowG5
...and ending with Obama's tactics to push it through the final hurdle. The democrats knew how unpopular it was and went ahead with it, anyway, because they could care less what the public thinks - unless the public agrees with them and then Obama claims he has the will of the people.
Why were those sections seen as viable solutions by the Republicans of 1993 and as untenable in 2009? Has the left moved towards the position held by the right in 1993 and if so does that mean that the Republicans have made a similar shift to the right, as Bob has suggested on several occasions?
Good question. There is little doubt that politicians do a lot of changing in that regard, depending on who is saying what. Obama's stance on raising the debt ceiling shows that very well...
The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. … Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that ‘the buck stops here. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better. http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/256199/obama-not-always-fan-upping-debt-ceiling-katrina-trinko
I doubt he feels the same way now. Let me ask you a similar question, Uncas. If it is basically the same bill, why were the democrats in 1993 so against the same type of health care bill they passed now? Obviously there was a lot of changing of opinions by both parties. The saving grace in 1993 is that the republicans knew it wouldn't fly and didn't pursue it or even vote on it. The democrats of Obama embraced it an ran with it.
A lot in life depends on one's belief in who is talking. If someone tells you to let go of the rope and you'll be safe, you need to believe them to do it. Republicans, and the majority of the population, do not believe Obama. HE does what he can to promote class warfare. He does what he can to alienate business. His interest seems to lie more in "class restucturing" than anything else. He lies about his programs. He cried wolf to get the stimulus passed, citing immediate destruction imminent, and then says "Oops" on the shovel ready jobs that weren't there and the unemployment that went up insteead of down. He works in shadows, behind closed doors instead of having the "open" government he claimed to institute. He has two congressional leaders in Pelosi and Reid that are as unbelievable as he is. He is a man that is not believeable and, as such, his programs and promises are not believeable, either.
I hear that Kenyans are so upset about Obama's showing that they are swearing he was born in the United States!!