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Huan Yi
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“His accuser, an immigrant from the West African state of Guinea, told authorities that Mr Strauss-Kahn had accosted her after she entered his hotel room to clean it.

Mr Strauss-Kahn's defence team is expected to argue that a sexual encounter occurred, but that it was consensual.”


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-13519035


So a thirty-two year old housemaid walks in, sees a sixty something naked
fat man come out of the bathroom and her first thought is: “ I want some of that”.

Someone please give me the address to that place on Earth if in fact it doesn’t
exist in New York.  Before I die I want to spend a couple days there.


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I wouldn't exactly call the guy fat--but then, I didn't see all of him...
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[This message has been edited by Ron (05-24-2011 06:27 PM).]

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I watched the video, John.
http://www.slate.com/id/2294983/?from=rss

As you can see, he is wearing a coat. He does not seem to be unable to walk at a rather brisk pace while wearing handcuffs. There does not seem to be any of that difficulty of movement which you once confessed made you feel ill when you saw an obese person.

He's wearing a coat. The angle of the one photo, does indeed make him seem rather large in stature, but he does not seem hindered by either his coat, or what might be underneath. I could not ascertain from the video if the handcuff extension that is sometimes used to restrain very large suspects was used. And I am puzzled as to why you would add the word 'fat' to your withering indictment of a man charged and not yet proven guilty of a crime.

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“Whatever the head of the IMF did or didn’t do, the reaction of the French elites is most instructive. “We and the Americans do not belong to the same civilization,” sniffed Jean Daniel, editor of Le Nouvel Observateur, insisting that the police should have known that Strauss-Kahn was “not like other men” and wondering why “this chambermaid was regarded as worthy and beyond any suspicion.” Bernard-Henri Lévy, the open-shirted, hairy-chested Gallic intellectual who talked Sarkozy into talking Obama into launching the Libyan war, is furious at the lèse-majesté of this impertinent serving girl and the jackanapes of America’s “absurd” justice system, not to mention this ghastly “American judge who, by delivering him to the crowd of photo hounds, pretended to take him for a subject of justice like any other.”

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/267762/yes-they-kahn-mark-steyn?sms_ss=twitter&at_xt=4dd7b1b128f9502a,0


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     So the National Review suggests that we set the point of the discussion aside.  Did the guy attack the girl or not?

     Why should we set the point aside?

     The National Review wants to attack the French.  No particular reason.  The National Review simply like to scapegoat the French whenever it can because they don't always agree with us.  And because they don't talk American.

     Lafayette, we'll get back to you.
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The National Review simply like to scapegoat the French whenever it can because they don't always agree with us.  And because they don't talk American......which, no doubt, can be backed up factually, I assume?
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Tough spot for DSK. He can either admit to rape or confess to his wife and family he had consensual sex with an African maid. EIther way, the wife is getting a real eiffel!
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No the mystery's solved
The maid did it.


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     As an occasional reader of that publication, that is my conclusion.  It is opinion.  Is it your opinion that the N.R. has been for say the last ten years been studiously pro french, or do you recall as I do its dour comments on Senator Kerry as a speaker of French.  I don't believe my memory is that bad, yet.  Perhaps you recall its comments about the French disagreeing with our invasion of Iraq and with their raising of questions in the security council on the matter?  Perhaps you can recall some of the essays by Mr. Davis, their scholar?  

     I admire, by the way, his work on the Greeks and on the Greek Hoplites and on classic history; and I admire his marvelous ability to write prose.  He makes the material fascinating by bringing it down to what it was like for the grunt on the ground.  I can't speak highly enough for his skills in this regard.

     I don't believe they've transferred to his work with the national review except for the skill of his prose, which remains high.

     These are low points that I've run across in the National Review's treatment of France.  These have gone towards forming my opinion.

     What causes you to think they are objective, neutral or positive in their reaction to that country?

     I'll be out of town for a while starting tomorrow morning at about 7:00, so I'm glad to have gotten in under the wire to answer your question.  Did you think that it was the sort of statement that might have an objective answer?  My thought was that it had a fair amount of evidence that could support such a conclusion with a fair amount of creditability.  
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What causes you to think they are objective, neutral or positive in their reaction to that country?

I never said they were. You presented your statement as fact and I asked for the verification of those facts. That's all. Enjoy your trip
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Odd that he voluntarily refused to claim diplomatic immunity, a right he was legally entitled to exercise, instead choosing to stand trial to clear his name. Whether he's guilty or innocent, and due process will decide that, I think he deserves at least some credit for that decision.

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Are you saying he cannot still claim it?
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And what would be his prospects
if he had?

“Old Dominion University's Kurt Taylor Gaubatz, an international law expert quoted by Reuters, is a little less ambiguous, saying "Coming out of your bathroom stark naked and attacking a chambermaid probably doesn't qualify [as an official act]."

But there's also the question of whether DSK actually has regular diplomatic immunity through the IMF, which is considered a specialized agency of the United Nations. Stangely, the U.S.-U.N. headquarters agreement, according to Hollis, seems to indicate that countries' representatives to the IMF are entitled to immunity while the Managing Director, who is higher ranking in the organization, but doesn't represent any sovereign state, may not. “

http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/05/16/could_dsk_claim_diplomatic_immunity


Here's another site:


http://opiniojuris.org/2011/05/17/why-has-dsk-not-yet-asserted-immunity-becau  se-he-can%E2%80%99t/


In summary DSK would need more lawyers . . .


And:


“In a possible setback to Dominique Strauss-Kahn's defense, the IMF said in a statement that its managing director will not enjoy diplomatic immunity in the sexual assault case against him.
"The (managing director's) immunities are limited and are not applicable to this case," said William Murray, an IMF spokesman.”

http://www.cnbc.com/id/43058763


Note the published date . . .


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quote:
Are you saying he cannot still claim it?


Technically Mike he can reverse the decision and claim diplomatic immunity at any point but reversing the decision wouldn't be a good move in my opinion - it would look like the act of a guilty man. If he was going to claim it he should have done it from the start.

quote:
And what would be his prospects
if he had?


Better than they might seem at first glance, especially to someone who wasn't sure he could prove his innocence. For a guilty man it would have been the first logical move.

If he claimed diplomatic immunity, the IMF would be forced to either withdraw the privilege or support his request. Though there have been rumblings that the IMF would move to rescind his immunity saying it and doing it are two very different things. The first issue would be that DSK would certainly contest their decision in a protracted legal battle, not to mention the signal it sends to diplomats worldwide -  how much is diplomatic immunity worth if it's surrendered so easily?

He avoided all that rigmarole to concentrate on defending his name, that deserves at least some credit in my book.

That might change of course along with his decision but I doubt it.

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The sources I cited indicate
he didn't have the option
and I imagine, if he asked,
would have been told as much.
So zero credit.

The latest is that friends are trying
to buy the woman off . . .

“In a possible setback to Dominique Strauss-Kahn's defense, the IMF said in a statement that its managing director will not enjoy diplomatic immunity in the sexual assault case against him.
"The (managing director's) immunities are limited and are not applicable to this case," said William Murray, an IMF spokesman.”


http://www.cnbc.com/id/43058763  


Note the published date . . .

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Technically Mike he can reverse the decision and claim diplomatic immunity at any point but reversing the decision wouldn't be a good move in my opinion - it would look like the act of a guilty man. If he was going to claim it he should have done it from the start.

I can think of reasons why he would. He could go the court route and try to get a not guilty verdict (like OJ got) and then claim kudos for not taking the diplomatic immunity. He could pay the woman off to where she would change her story and claim those same kudos. Should these tactics fail and he is found guilty THEN he could claim the immunity and beat it....creating the scenario that he had to claim it since the American judicial system was unfair to him and it was all political and blah, blah, blah. It's a nice ace in the hole to have...
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In the current issue of the New Yorker there’s an article
that alludes to Socialist circles knowing that DSK has a bad
problem with women but they kept quiet about it . . .
It reminds of Sartre admitting, years later, that he knew
that what he had said in praise of Stalin’s Soviet Union
after a visit wasn’t true but he had not wanted to embarrass
his host.
  

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http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2011/05/dsks-arrest-the-view-from-paris.html
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