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No, you were talking about using a boogy man to advance one's own agenda. Check it....
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     I'm quite sure that you've been trying to be open and civil recently, Mike, and I appreciate that effort.  Jimmy Carter and exterminating bugs felt a bit over the top.  Perhaps I may be the only person who felt that way.  Even so, it felt a bit over the top.

     Responses that I can make to this postat this time  are simp[ly not approprtiate for this forum and that's not all right for me right now.  Later.

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102 posted 05-20-2011 08:11 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

Using bug extermination bothered you, Bob? That's simple to change. I was referring to something being in the wrong place at the wrong time. There are any number of ways to make that point without using bugs. I simply used them because that's my profession. Change it a boy being in the girl's locker room or a pork sandwich being at a bar mitzvah if you find that more palatable

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I can't believe that nobody has started a thread on Obama's wonderful peformance in Europe last week, and particulary the contrast between him and those oiks Trump and Palin.  I could say an awful lot more about this, including making the observation that the US arguably has the best President ever in Obama, and potentially the destruction of the world in Palin - and yet, incredibly, there seem to be people out there who have difficulty seeing this.

I watched Obama's speech in Westminster Hall last week, and after 20 minutes I was shaking my head in wonderment that Trump and others actually seriously tried to suggest that this patently sincere, honest and intelligent man would be in any way deceptive over a matter like his place of birth.

Unbelievable.
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104 posted 05-29-2011 05:24 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

Well, I was going to mention how he made himself look ridiculous toasting the Queen and how he wrote down the wrong year while signing the register at Westminster Abbey but why bother? Referring to how dumb he is not to even be able to write down the correct year reflects not only on him but on the U.S. for electing such a buffoon.

Yes, of course, had Bush done that, it would have been front page news on the lamestream media, complete with videos, as was the case when Bush walked to the wrong door to leave a room, but with the hands-off Obama approach, it didn't even merit a comment by the three major news agencies.....so what's new?

I was also going to refer to him selling Israel down the river, but why bother there, either? He made it so obvious that everyone knows it. Even his own party didn't stand behind him on that one. We can also talk about the fiasco Libya has become under his direction but why bother there, either? You can read about it in any paper?

You're surprised no one here has written about Obama? There's no reason to. We are too embarrassed for, and of, him to bother.
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"Yes, of course, had Bush done that, it would have been front page news on the lamestream media, complete with videos, as was the case when Bush walked to the wrong door to leave a room, but with the hands-off Obama approach, it didn't even merit a comment by the three major news agencies"

I think the only thing that's new is that the rest of the world are becoming aware of just how illogically and perversely partisan a certain segment of US society has become.  Sure, there are many people who disagree with Obama's policies, and disagree politely and with cogent argument - that's only to be expected in any democratic society.

But there's also a sizeable chuck of society who seem hell bent on rabid hatred at any cost.  That's kind of sad - sad for society I mean, not for Obama.

Why does the press ignore faux pas by Obama when they didn't do the same for Bush?  Easy.  They respect him, they know full well he isn't a buffoon like Bush, who was just asking to be teased all the time.  Obama has a gravitas, humility and diplomatic ability which has been sadly lacking in many US politicians for a long time, and is absent entirely from pop-idol Palin for instance.

The press don't focus on silly all too human foibles unless they sense they are dealing with someone who is weak. For instance,  morally weak like Clinton, intellectually weak like Bush, or morally, intellectually and politically weak like Palin.

In Obama the press know full well they are dealing with a seriously great man - they are sensible enough to have figured out that by trying to ridicule him in a petty way they will just make themselves look stupid.

While the press and media may be savvy, unfortunately this isn't something that a sizeable segment of the US population have figured out. Or maybe they are just blinded by Sarah's flashing smile and shark's teeth.

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That's the point. He IS a buffoon, which is becoming more obvious as time goes along. You don't want to believe it....fine by me. Perhaps one day he'll run for Prime Minister of England. No doubt he can come up with a birth certificate somewhere making him eligible.  

Seriously, your comment about Bush can be attacked for foibles because he is weak and Obama not because he is strong is all hogwash. Foibles are foibles, no matter who makes them. The press is more than eager to point them out....not with Obama, though, or even the king of foibleland....Biden. it's all political, period. Obama is fooling less and less people all the time. I hear in Poland, they tell Obama jokes. Go figure  

You should realize, moonbeam, that by throwing insults and sarcasm at Palin, Bush or others. while accusing a large part of American as being simply stupid or delusional because they don't think the way you think they should feel, you are simply weakening your own creditibility.  Believe what you want while sitting over there in the kingdom...toss around all of the insults you care to....just don't expect to be taken seriously.
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While his popularity with the European public remains high, his standing with the continent's political leaders may have dropped a notch.

"I think they had expectations that could not be met and changes that they had anticipated that President Obama would make," said Heather Conley, director of the Europe program at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington. She cited Obama's failure to close the Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, detention center and his decision to increase troops in Afghanistan as disappointments in Europe.

In France, there also has been some criticism of the Obama administration's involvement in the Libya bombing campaign. But when Obama met Friday on the sidelines of the G-8 summit with Nicolas Sarkozy, both leaders expressed nothing more than appreciation for their mutual efforts in Libya. And they reasserted that longtime Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi must go.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2011-05-27-barack-obama-europe_n.htm?csp=34news&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+UsatodaycomWashington-TopStories+ %28News+-+Washington+-+Top+Stories%29&utm_content=My+ Yahoo
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Obama and humility in the same sentence, moonbeam? Really?
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Of course I wouldn't use patently sincere and honest in the same sentence either. But then I also wouldn't accept as sufficient a computer file of a document in lieu of an actual certified paper copy being presented to Congress for authentication. Such a prentation as was done would not even hold up in a oourt of law as 'best evidence'. It's absolutely laughable.  
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Yes humility Denise.  And not grovelling humility either.  Humility that speaks to the inner strength and confidence of the man.  Can you see Clinton or Bush or even Reagan let alone Nixon, for instance, actually graciously thanking people at Westminster Abbey for taking the trouble to turn out to see them?

And Mike, yes of course he's going to upset other politicians and leaders.  He has to make hard decisions and they aren't always going to be popular.  Goes with the territory.  I'm not talking about that, I'm talking about how he conducts himself and what he achieves.

And just to squash, once again, your persistent comment that I malign Bush - I don't.  I actually liked Bush - he was honest and believed sincerely in what he was doing.  I just feel he was a little short on the grey cells, and a misguided all American macho type! But morally he was fine, unlike both Palin and Clinton who I dislike because I don't feel that either have that underlying bedrock of principle that both Bush and Obama have.

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they know full well he isn't a buffoon like Bush

intellectually weak like Bush


your persistent comment that I malign Bush - I don't.

morally, intellectually and politically weak like Palin.

Sarah's flashing smile and shark's teeth.


One could wonder why you go to lengths to insult and malign someone not even having declared candidacy.

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Mike

To clarify.

Yes Bush could come over as a buffoon, yes he could appear intellectually weak (though in fact I find it quite hard to believe he really is, I suspect that's more the media jumping on a perception of his own making).  Yet, as I say, I find him quite likeable, because he seems sincere.

Palin isn't likeable or sincere, she's a grasping, scheming, opportunistic, egocentic, power greedy, unprinciple person. And no I don't much like her, and yes, I am interested in her, just so long as there's the remotest chance of her becoming President.

  
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Yet, as I say, I find him quite likeable, because he seems sincere. Palin isn't likeable or sincere ...

It's a vain hope, I know, but nonetheless, I sincerely hope the American voters can find less subjective criteria upon which to elect their next President?
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It's a vain hope, I know, but nonetheless, I sincerely hope the American voters can find less subjective criteria upon which to elect their next President?

You posed that as a question Ron. Is that, I wonder, a kind of subliminal signal that you aren't quite sure of the correctness of the statement yourself.  After all, you aren't seriously suggesting that you should choose a President based upon what he/she says they are going to do for the economy, or healthcare, or renewable energy, or the military, or public holidays, or hunting and abortion law?  Or are you?

When you choose an employee who has excellent qualifications for your job, you'd choose him even though you had a subjective bad feeling about him, would you?
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Well, moonbeam if she isn't likeable or sincere and not qualified for the position why would you think she would even have the remotest chance of becoming president? She would fail on both sides of the coin so what's your concern??

Or is your concern that, based on the fact we would elect a man with no credentials at all, like Obama, we are likely to vote in anyone??
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Well, moonbeam if she isn't likeable or sincere and not qualified for the position why would you think she would even have the remotest chance of becoming president? She would fail on both sides of the coin so what's your concern??

My concern is that there are people in the US who are clearly mesmerized by her.  As Rodgers said:

"American culture mistakenly prizes bravado and arrogance as sure signs of leadership."

She is cynically tapping into that weakness in some segments of American society and exploiting it for her own ends.

This is all fine as long as the madness is confined to a small proportion of right wing delusionals.  But as happened, for instance, with Hitler, the razamataz of jingoistic nationalism can easily be spread to more levelheaded people, especially when they feel vulnerable in an uncertain world where they see other powers rising to challenge them, and the importance of their country threatened.

When people are scared, and, as Denise says, "suffering", that's when they are most open to the antics of "leaders" like Palin.  


Or is your concern that, based on the fact we would elect a man with no credentials at all, like Obama, we are likely to vote in anyone??

I have no clue as to how you figure that he had "no credentials".  I can only think that your idea of "credentials" is very different to mine.
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Aha, I see. You feel that there can be so many people mesmerized by her that she could be elected. According to you, then, there are so many dissatisfied people in the country that want Obama out, she has a shot. Interesting...of course, your reasoning is that there is rampant delusionism in the country and a majority of people who just have no idea what they are doing. In other words, they do not have either your vision or wisdom.

Interesting that you use the Hitler analogy, since that is exactly how Obama got elected....a fellow with a smooth line of gab, tapping into the hysteria and bad sentiment against Bush, with a wealth of promises that he could restore the country to it's former greatness. No one stopped to think how a former corporal and house painter could do this for Germany, any more than they thought how a former community organizer and one term congressman with no business, foreign or military experience could do that for America. They just elected him because he wasn't Bush, or the party of Bush, and besides Oprah liked him. They became mesmerized by his chant of YES, WE CAN in the same way mind control freaks (how about a little kool-aid, my friend?) of the 60's used the same tactic. We are now paying for it, just like Germany paid for putting their house painter with the golden gift of gab in charge.

You speak of there being a chance that there are so many Americans dissatisfied with the direction of the country but you give no credence or thought that could possibly indicate that they have reasons to feel that way. You prefer to write it off as hypnotism or mass hysteria.

I find  that a litttle hysterical.
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"American culture mistakenly prizes bravado and arrogance as sure signs of leadership."


Gee, who comes to mind . . .
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