So under Bush you bring ‘em back for interrogation,
under Obama you bring ‘em back in a bag;
under Bush you put water up their nose
under Obama you put a bullet in their head
In some ways, yes, if you want to generalize enough to make blue sound like green and yellow sound like Pontiacs. If you’d care to pin down exactly what you’re talking about, I could probably give you a better response, though.
For example, “I” didn’t do any of this stuff. Unless “you” are considerably more active in military affairs and in covert operations, forgive me for assuming “you” didn’t either. Not bring ‘em back for interrogation, not put water up their noses, and not bring any of them back in bags. Forgive me for saying so, but the Right wing has been very much in favor of all these things the whole time, the bringing back for interrogation, the water-boarding and the bringing folks back in bags. Near as I can tell, the Right Wing is still in favor of all these things, though more in favor if a Right Wing Government is doing them.
I thought they were wrong when they were done by The Right Wing and wrong now, when they are done under the leadership of President Obama. They ate away at civil rights and the rule of law under the Bush administration, and, in fact, under any and every administration that has countenanced such actions, including any Democratic administrations that have done so. If anybody expects me to defend such actions, they are mistaken. They were disgusting during the Republican administrations under Reagan and Bush Senior and Bush Minimus, and I don’t like them now. I find murder and torture disgusting more or less across the board, and I believe that the distain that we once held the Nazis who spoke of “just following orders” was justified after World War II and is equally justified now. I believe that Those who give the orders should be brought to trial for war crimes. That includes those people in our government who have done so, Republican and Democrat alike.
“My country Right or Wrong” sounds no better to me in English than it does in Russian or German or Chinese or Arabic.
It was fun to listen to the Left circle wagons
around that Peace Prize as to what is now
being generally conceded as a hit.
The first part of the sentence does not connect to the second part of the sentence. “As to what” somehow suggests that the events of recent weeks happened at the same time the Peace Prize was awarded instead of two years later. The Right Wing sometimes has trouble with sequence and time lines, and this appears to be one of those times.
That being said, The Bin Ladin affair, or this latest iteration of the Bin Ladin affair, sure seems like a hit to me. I don’t like the notion of a hit, but politically, it is not against U.S. law because Bin Ladin is not the head of a foreign government. I am against it on personal moral grounds. An arrest would have been better, but highly unlikely, since Bin Ladin would have preferred death, and would have tried to find a way to die during an attempt to arrest him anyway. Martyrdom is very appealing to some folks.
Perhaps I would find the objections to the death of bin Ladin on the part of some of the spokespersons for the right a bit more convincing if they had made such objections before the event rather than after. I would say the same about myself here, to be fair. I’d feel better about myself if I’d have said I wanted the man captured alive before his death. The statement that I’d rather he’d have been captured alive, coming as it does, after his death, sounds a bit weak even to my own ears. I have to live with the same flaw in myself that I’ve noted in my friends on the right.
The reason that President Obama seems to have gotten that Peace Prize was that, near as I can tell, he wasn’t President Bush, and that the world wanted to let him know how much hope they were placing in his Presidency.
I have lots of reasons to be upset in President Obama, and I’ve aired a lot of them in these pages at one point or another. I don’t anticipate that I’ll be changing that. I do not regret for one moment that he is not President Bush. Nor do I regret that he has in some ways managed to modify some of those programs. Nor do I expect that the world would either.
I think President Obama has pretty much earned that Peace Prize, though I don’t like a lot of his foreign policy, and I’d sure like a lot of his policies to have been considerably more peaceful than they’ve proven to be.
Nor do I see any sparkly glitter stuff suddenly appearing to be spread over anybody. Just a bunch of policies that seem sort of mildly right of center in what was once a saner era. Rockefeller Republicans, really, that now seem almost like communists to the folks that have taken over the wreckage that remains of what was once a fairly reasonable and inclusive and, dare I say it, noble political party.
Not one I agreed with, but one that was decent as granite, and as solid.