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Bob K
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     The French are a study of their own.  I am never entirely certain whose side their on.  It would be intellectually comforting if I felt they were at least on their own side, but I've come to realize, over the years, that they are much too thorny even to take their own side in a dependable fashion.  There is something entertaining and deeply implausible about them, all at the same time, and I can't help but admire the whole sensibility that is so deeply and incomprehensibly French, that moves the grandure of the thing forward, toward goals that seem, somehow, beyond the conceptualization of many of the rest of us.

     Layfayette, we are here.
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51 posted 03-30-2011 07:43 PM       View Profile for Huan Yi   Email Huan Yi   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Huan Yi

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Does the current UN resolution
include an arms embargo?

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  This time, Mike, why don't you give me references from nice main stream media about how marvelous everything was from the time we went into Iraq till the time that Obama recommitted troops to what remained of Afghanistan?  After all, you're the guy who seems to think that there's nothing that's been done wrong there.  And I've certainly been remiss about asking you to show me you references recently while you certainly have been forthright about being clearly dubious about whether I was trying to put one over on you.  

I'm afraid your wry wit is wasted there, Bob. I have never said that there was anything marvelous about anything over there. Nor have I ever said that nothing has been done wrong there. There were plenty of mistakes to go around...and there continue to be. I was simply calling you on YOUR points of Afghan abandonment, which I find to be introduced as more of a way to Bush bash than to rely on actual facts.
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I gave you 20 sources.  All I felt obligated to offer was two.  You complained that what you got wasn't main stream enough.

Not only that, Bob, I complained that they were immaterial. I asked to you to show examples of Maddow bashing Obama and I got three references to her...one of Clinton complaining about her actions towards HIM, one referring to her satire blog and one from the Huffington post mentioning her supposed comments against Obama, giving no examples or references. That's it. You gave 20? No, you gave three that even mentioned Maddow. I asked for milk and you delivered 20 lbs of butter, claiming, "Well, but there were TWENTY!" Gee, thanks
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54 posted 03-30-2011 11:11 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

Here, Bob. I'll give you one from the dark side. This is how a "fair and balanced" station does it...
http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/lachlan-markay/2010/11/15/maddow-recycles-absurd-claim-fnc-never-criticized-george-w-bush-anyt?quicktabs_1=2


Interesting that, in the article, Rhodes Scholar Rachel claims she does not have a television and never watches Fox new (except for 3 minutes once). No, I won't call her a liar, but doesn't it tax the imagine a little that any affluent person, especially a television personality, wouldn't own a tv? I  mean, if she's home and record-breaking news occurs, does she run to the neighbor's to see what's happening on their tv?

She certainly has a lot to say about a news channel she never watches, doesn't she? Anyway, as you can see by the link, FOX will call a republican on the carpet as easily as s democrat. I doubt Rachel and Keith can make the same claim, although Obama is the first one to push them in that direction.
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Okay, Mike,  If you don't want to accept those, why not try these two reports critical of Obama policy and Obama himself.  The References are to the shows, the parentheticals are references to the stories refered to in the shows which you can click on.  They are regular news stories interspecreced with Ms. Maddow's comments.
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"By bombing Libya, President Obama has accomplished some things once thought absolutely impossible in America:

(a) War-mongering liberals: Liberals are now chest-thumping about military “progress” in Libya. Even liberal television and radio commentators cite ingenious reasons why an optional, preemptive American intervention in an oil-producing Arab country, without prior congressional approval or majority public support — and at a time of soaring deficits — is well worth supporting, in a sort of “my president, right or wrong,” fashion. Apparently, liberal foreign policy is returning to the pre-Vietnam days of the hawkish “best and brightest.”

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/263449/obamas-amazing-achievements-victor-davis-hanson

Victor has a list worth reading.


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If you don't want to accept those, why not try these two reports critical of Obama policy and Obama himself.

ok...where are they?
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#42350879

(Facts don’t Support Obama assurances on Drilling safety)


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#42350879

(Complacency overcoming safety on new drilling Permits?)
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#42350879

(Complacency overcoming safety on new drilling Permits?)

Hopefully they will have appeared above, where they were sent.  And where I just re-posted them.
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     You also got, in addition, references to articles from seven main stream media sources, Mike, including two right wing sources,. confirming the others, in addition to the others, which were smaller media, but many of which w4ere Liberal media carrying reports of left wing critiques of President Obama by other left wing sources.

     The New York Time, The Washington Post, The LA Times articles as well as the CBS videos might be condemned, but to pretend they were not there suggests that I responded with silence rather than with a significant number of citations.  You asked, I answered, as appropriate to a decent discussion.
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“Should those developments come, I suspect it will be worse for Obama politically if he’s perceived to have misled the public about what America is getting into in North Africa. And on the evidence of the last 48 hours, that’s precisely what he did on Monday night.”


http://douthat.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/03/30/the-presidents-credibility-gap/


Now I'm hearing the "rebels" number less than
a thousand in a country of millions.


"There are fewer than a thousand fighters in the entire rebel force going up against Moammar Gadhafi. We knew they were outgunned. We knew they were outmanned, but fewer than a thousand fighters? And the military skills, their readiness almost nonexistent.

When you see the interview I'm about to show you I think you'll come to the same conclusion I did. It is almost inconceivable that these rebels can beat Gadhafi's army.

We learned this at the same time that President Obama has signed an order giving CIA support to the Libyan rebels. CIA personnel are on the ground in Libya right now.

When the Obama administration decided to intervene in Libya, did they know how incredibly few resistance fighters there actually are?"

http://hotair.com/archives/2011/03/31/libyan-rebels-number-less-than-1000/


http://www6.lexisnexis.com/publisher/EndU ser?Action=UserDisplayFullDocument&orgId=574&topicId=100007219&docId=l:1389170140&isRss=true


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Hopefully they will have appeared above, where they were sent.  And where I just re-posted them.

Interesting, Bob. I think we had this problem a couple of years ago where you stated links were given that did not appear on my computer screen. This is the same situation. I got the repost of the links but nothing (still) where you say you posted them in the first place. The computer gremlins must be at it again!

I was not implying that you did not care to post them. I actually just thought you got confused and forgot, which is easy to do with so many conversations going on at once.
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"NATO chief Anders Fogh Rasmussen told reporters in Stockholm that NATO's position is that "we are there to protect the Libyan people, not to arm the people."

Britain and the U.S. believe that existing U.N. Security Council resolutions on Libya could allow for foreign governments to arm the rebels, despite an arms embargo being in place.

The NATO secretary-general said he has "taken note of the ongoing discussions in a number of countries but as far as NATO is concerned ... we will focus on the enforcement of the arms embargo."


So what; we're going to take up sides
against ourselves?

Do lawyers get ribbons?

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     Yes, lawyers get ribbons, but nobody but other lawyers can read or understand the citations.  And they like to get clients to pay for the arguments they have about the details and the remuneration, tax consequences and governing legislation.  They are the ones consulted about the legislation, to make sure it doesn't conflict with previous legislation governing other torts.

     What was the question?
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     I don't know if President Obama knew how many there were or not.  If the CIA et al. were doing their job, he probably did, wouldn't you think?

     However, if you look at your source, you'll notice that what they list is the number of "fighters" who are "on the front lines."

     I suspect, in your outrage at undeclared war going on and  in your outrage and discontent with Democrats in general, you may be overlooking the fact that Kadaffi's forces are being paid and that the insurgents are not being paid.  This is often the case with asymmetrical warfare.  The ranks of the insurgents rise and fall depending on any number of factors, not all of which have to do with the percent of the population that supports them.  George Washington wrote a number of dispatches, I'm told, complaining of this, to congress.  The forces with T.E. Lawrence waxed and waned as well; and both these commanders won.

     What was the conclusion you were suggesting that we should draw as a result of the evidence you were laying before us?

     If it was that the insurgents were and are not worthy of our support, you may well be correct; but not, insofar as I can tell, on the basis of the information you present.  If they are, in fact, the basis of some more Democratic form of government in Libya, supporting them would be in line with our Democratic ideals.  Simply because supporting them could be in line with our stated Democratic ideas does not mean that they will be, sadly, in line with what has become our "national interest."

     Should this last be the case, perhaps we should discuss  at what point our "national interest" and our stated Democratic ideals parted company. Hey.
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     In which case, what did you think of the ones that you got from the Rachel Maddow Blog that were excerpts of some of critical news reports?
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Rachel Maddow?

If you guys are going to quibble over Rachel Maddow, then I'll add my own pet peeve.

Quotes.

If you put double quotes around a word, the affect, intended or not, is to obfuscate the word; the malpractice of this punctuation produces a bias that belittles your point of view.

It's annoying and unnecessary.

Not as annoying as jousting over the honor of Ms. Maddow, but still, annoying, nevertheless.

Here's a list of spin words:

rebel

insurgent

dissident

revolutionary

insurrectionist

freedom-fighter

antidisestablishmentarialist

?

If you think that the double quotation mark does not change the definition when used in context of a sentence, then ask yourself if you are a writer, or a "writer".

Do you have an "opinion", or an opinion? Is that opinion based on emotion or "fact"?

Good luck with that, either way.

It's 4:44 and I just had a wave of spasms the jolted my lower leg foreward, and my kneecap is now swelling.

I'll bet Rachel would care...



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She would at least come up with a mad OW!!!!!
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I actually wish I were more like her.

She is never...mean. sigh.

I don't even know why I want to live through this sh..tuff.

 
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