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150 posted 07-17-2010 07:55 PM       View Profile for Denise   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Denise

Tea Party Patriots Petition to the NAACP:
http://www.teapartypatriots.org/petition/
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Why do the Tea Party movement object so vehemently to a resolution asking them to make it clear to everyone that there is no place for bigots or racists in the Tea Party?

It doesn’t seem to be an unreasonable request, or am I missing something?

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It was an accusatory slander, Grinch, that accused them of allowing racists and racist behavior at their gatherings. It was undeserved, false and inflammatory.
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t was an accusatory slander, Grinch, that accused them of allowing racists and racist behavior at their gatherings. It was undeserved, false and inflammatory


There hasn’t been one single solitary racist or act of racist behaviour at any Tea Party gathering Denise?

Are you sure?

If you’re right that’s an absolutely incredible achievement even Ron couldn’t claim that feat regarding visitors to this site and PIP doesn’t anywhere near the number of people that attend the Tea Party gatherings. If you’re wrong though would you agree that your accusation of slander is a tad undeserved, false and possibly inflammatory?

I don’t see what the big deal is, there are racists everywhere all the NAACP is asking is that the Tea Party make a statement that they aren't welcome.

Can you explain why the Tea Party organisers don’t simply issue a statement that racists aren’t welcome at Tea party gatherings? Not doing so sends out an implicit message that racists are more than welcome.

http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=GRkmK_5LHrE&feature=related  

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That's right, Denise. If you do not state specifically that murderers and rapists are not welcome in your house, you are basically inviting them in. Don't invite me over for dinner, please!
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I don’t want to come either if you don’t say they aren’t welcome when someone asks you.

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If I put the signs up, Michael, will you come for dinner?      

They've denounced racism before, Grinch, during the unproven allegations of the N word being used on Capitol Hill last March. I think I even shared the statement here by the Tea Party Patriots at that time.

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We believe these two missions are not inconsistent and that the NAACP should be embracing the individual freedom and responsibility promoted by the movement. It is nothing less than "hate speech" for the NAACP to be smearing us as “racists” and “bigots.” We believe, like Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. in a colorblind, post-racial society. And we believe that when an organization lies and resorts the desperate tactics of racial division and hatred, they should be publicly called on it.

And they've made their position on racism quite clear in the above wording from the petition to the NAACP.

Malik Shabazz (I don't know if he is related to King Samir Shabazz of Philly or not) of the NBP was on Geraldo last night and he was asked about their members calling people crackers and calling for their deaths in the cause of black freedom. He stated that blacks have every justification for everything and anything that they say due to the history of their mistreatment, and that it is impossible for a black person to be a racist. He also said that everything that the Tea Party stands for, 'taking back our country, smaller government, fiscal responsibility, is nothing more than code for suppressing blacks. (?) I guess some people just see racism everywhere, even where it doesn't exist.

In another interview he also theatened to 'meet' Glenn Beck at the Lincoln Memorial on Aug. 28th to answer for his disrespect of holding a 'Restoring Honor to America Rally' at the same site that MLK gave his famous speech. Dr. Alverda King, a niece of MLK will be joining arms with Glenn on those steps that day. She has no reason to believe that her uncle would have not done the same.

This is the group that the DOJ is protecting. I think they need to rethink their position on that, and I think the President needs to intervene and call for them to dial back on their hate rhetoric as well. The  last thing we need is race rioting again in this country after decades of progress in race relations.

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Sorry Denise it was unclear from your answer, are you saying that there hasn’t been one single solitary racist or act of racist behaviour at any Tea Party gathering or are you saying that there have been some?

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And they've made their position on racism quite clear in the above wording from the petition to the NAACP.


You have a strange definition of ‘clear’ Denise, all they had to say was “Sure, we denounce racism and if anyone intends turning up to a Tea Party meeting or rally promoting racism and bigotry we’d like to make it clear that they aren’t welcome”. Instead the Tea Partiers reacted by trying to start a ‘you’re more racist than us’ argument with the NAACP.

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They've denounced racism before, Grinch. Was it too difficult for Ben Jealous to find evidence of that, or too politcally inexpedient? They're denouncing it again now, politiclly motivated though the slanderous charges, with no evidence, against them may be.

It's time for the NAACP to do the same.
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And now a word from Dr. Alveda King:
http://networkedblogs.com/5W2qM
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And from Bishop E. W. Jackson Sr.:
http://www.examiner.com/x-54956-Conservative-Examiner~y2010m7d13-Black-minister-condemns-NAACP-resolution-against-TEA-Party-activists
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It’s still a little unclear Denise, are you saying that there hasn’t been one single solitary racist or act of racist behaviour at any Tea Party gathering or are you saying that there have been some?

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They've denounced racism before, Grinch.


Good for them Denise, so why didn’t they simply do so again so that those (like me) who might have missed it the first time were in no doubt whatsoever? Why did they decide instead to start calling the NAACP racist?

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It’s still a little unclear Denise, are you saying that there hasn’t been one single solitary racist or act of racist behaviour at any Tea Party gathering or are you saying that there have been some?

Ah, there's the old bear trap, Denise. Just walk around it and keep going...but you know that.
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Ah, there's the old bear trap, Denise. Just walk around it and keep going...but you know that.


Is that your advice Mike -  avoid the difficult questions and hope they’ll go away? I think Denise has more class than that.

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It's not a difficult question Grinch. I did answer it. They condemned racism already, no matter where it comes from.
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Are you saying that there hasn’t been one single solitary racist or act of racist behaviour at any Tea Party gathering or are you saying that there have been some?


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They condemned racism already, no matter where it comes from.


So there has been racist behaviour at Tea Party gatherings and the Tea Party organisers have condemned it – great, thanks for the answer.

Given the above admission do you still stand by the following claim?

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It was an accusatory slander, Grinch, that accused them of allowing racists and racist behavior at their gatherings. It was undeserved, false and inflammatory.


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snap...snap....and the game goes on. Difficult questions? No. Have you stopped beating your wife questions? Yes.

Denise obviously has a great deal of class. She is showing it now.

Denise was asked why the Tea Partiers hadn't denounced racism. She showed where they had.
She was then asked why they didn't repeat it for those who had not heard it the first time..SNL  material.
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   In March, members of the Congressional Black Caucus were accosted by Tea Party demonstrators and called racial epithets. Civil rights icon John Lewis was spit on, while Congressman Emanuel Cleaver was called the “N” word

Amazing, isn’t it.  You’d think that if the myth of the racial slurs hurled at black congressmen was the justification to condemn an entire political movement they’d at least get their story straight.

We want to help our friends at the NAACP out so they can repeat the bogus charges consistently in the future:

1.  Rep John Lewis never said he was spat upon

2.  For that matter, Rep. John Lewis never said he heard people calling him the “N-word”, it was Rep. Andre Carson who said he heard it.  (I know, you’ve been TOLD that Rep. John Lewis said he was called the “N-Word” that day, but go ahead, Google it.  You’ll see.  He is not on record personally making the charge.  Curious, isn’t it?)

3.  Rep. Emanuel Cleaver DID claim HE was spat on, but then after he and everyone else in the world reviewed the video and saw that errant spittle from a man screaming “Kill the Bill!” is what hit Rep Cleaver, he walked back the charge.

4.   As it is true Rep. Cleaver also said he heard the “N-word” the day he was walking with Rep. Lewis to the Capitol from the Cannon office building, this claim is completely and utterly false.  You see Rep. Cleaver wasn’t walking with Rep. Lewis that day.  We know this because we have video tape of Rep. Lewis and Rep. Carson walking to the capitol at the precise moment and at the precise place Rep. Carson claims to have heard the “N-word” fifteen times from fifteen people.  Rep. Cleaver is no where to be found.  And the “N-word” is nowhere to be heard.

I hope this helps.  And, in the future, when you’re going to slander an entire group of people with an outrageous and slanderous charge of racism, at least get your lies straight.

http://biggovernment.com/sright/2010/07/15/naacp-even-when-they-make-it-up-they-get-it-wrong/

Can one say a racial action has never been committed at a tea party event? No, not any more than one can say a racial action has never been committed at a church, school or any public gathering. Does that mean the tea party movement condones such actions? Not at all. Denise's comment stands.


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Yes, I do stand behind my statement because it was slanderous in that the Tea Parties have not 'allowed' nor condoned racists or racist expressions, but have rather condemned them, no matter where they come from, which is definitely not the impression that the NAACP had put out there in their resolution calling on them to denounce something as if they hadn't already. If Ben Jealous had done his research he would have seen their condemnation of racism, but then I suppose he wouldn't have been able to take his cheap political shot. Or maybe he did see and decided to sling mud anyway for the publicity.
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Maybe their time could be better spent condemning the Black Panthers, Denise...
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Mike,

Denise claimed that the NAACP statement that there were racists and racist behaviour at Tea Party gatherings was slanderous, undeserved, false and inflammatory.

I pointed out that her statement was only valid if there hadn’t, in fact, been any racists or racist behaviour at any Tea Party gathering.  If that’s true, which I’m pretty sure it is, asking if there’s been any racist behaviour at any Tea Party gathering seems a pretty reasonable question.

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Thanks for the information, Michael. I hadn' seen that particular article before.
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Ever heard of Mark Williams Denise? He’s the head of the Tea Party Express who wrote the following ‘Letter to Lincoln’ as a response to the NAACP request for the Tea Party to denounce racism – is it me or does it strike anyone else as an odd response?

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Dear Mr. Lincoln

We Coloreds have taken a vote and decided that we don’t cotton to that whole emancipation thing. Freedom means having to work for real, think for ourselves, and take consequences along with the rewards. That is just far too much to ask of us Colored People and we demand that it stop!

In fact we held a big meeting and took a vote in Kansas City this week. We voted to condemn a political revival of that old abolitionist spirit called the ‘tea party movement’.

The tea party position to “end the bailouts” for example is just silly. Bailouts are just big money welfare and isn’t that what we want all Coloreds to strive for? What kind of racist would want to end big money welfare? What they need to do is start handing the bail outs directly to us coloreds! Of course, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People is the only responsible party that should be granted the right to disperse the funds.

And the ridiculous idea of “reduce[ing] the size and intrusiveness of government.” What kind of massa would ever not want to control my life? As Coloreds we must have somebody care for us otherwise we would be on our own, have to think for ourselves and make decisions!

The racist tea parties also demand that the government “stop the out of control spending.” Again, they directly target coloreds. That means we Coloreds would have to compete for jobs like everybody else and that is just not right.

Perhaps the most racist point of all in the tea parties is their demand that government “stop raising our taxes.” That is outrageous! How will we coloreds ever get a wide screen TV in every room if non-coloreds get to keep what they earn? Totally racist! The tea party expects coloreds to be productive members of society?

Mr. Lincoln, you were the greatest racist ever. We had a great gig. Three squares, room and board, all our decisions made by the massa in the house. Please repeal the 13th and 14th Amendments and let us get back to where we belong.

Sincerely

Precious Ben Jealous, Tom’s Nephew NAACP Head Colored Person


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You left out the word 'allowed' Grinch. The NAACP resolution was designed to make it appear that the Tea Parties allowed or condoned racism and they therefore needed to condemn it. Slander.
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Mark Williams's letter has been condemned by the National Tea Party Federation and they have expelled him and the Tea Party Express from their association because of it:
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6689730n&tag=contentMain%3BcontentBody%C2%A0
 
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