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I believe that Michelle Obama, having been at their convention, and lending it an air of legitimacy, should come out and denounce this divisive and slanderous resolution and call for a halt to all this hate-mongering rhetoric.
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Don't hold your breath there, Denise. Even if she wanted to, I don't think Obama would let her. It suits his purposes too well.
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This is a clarifying article on Civil vs. Criminal cases in the Voters Rights Division of the DOJ:
http://www.allamericanblogger.com/11208/new-black-panther-case-handled-under-bush-not-so-fast/
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No, I'm not, Michael.

It's so sad that there are elements in this country that don't want racial harmony and do everything in their power to stir up strife.

Martin would be saddened and ashamed of them. They are not of the same spirit.
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quote:
St. Louis Tea Party Coalition Resolution
July 12, 2010

Whereas, the National Coalition for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) was founded to advance the position of minority groups, and

Whereas a hallmark of the NAACP has been to do the important work of identifying and exposing remaining vestiges of racism and discrimination, and

Whereas the NAACP vocally stands against the discriminatory and harmful practice of labeling people with a broad brush, and

Whereas the NAACP decided to launch their 101st National Convention with a resolution condemning the Tea Party movement and labeling millions of their fellow Americans who subscribe to the movement as “racists”, and

Whereas the “Tea Party movement” is a label applied to patriotic Americans who have expressed their political free speech in the grand tradition of all that is American, that being the spirited expression of viewpoints in a 100% peaceful manner, and

Whereas, it is a hallmark of America that we settle our disputes civilly and avoid the gutter tactic of attempting to silence opponents by inflammatory name-calling, and
Whereas the very term “racist” has diminished meaning due to its overuse by political partisans including members of the NAACP, and

Whereas, the NAACP had an opportunity to preserve some semblance of legitimacy by standing up for Ken Gladney, the victim of a vicious racist battery conducted by a black avowed communist, even labeling him an “Uncle Tom”, but chose instead to use the opportunity to mock the St. Louis Tea Party, and

Whereas, the NAACP has refused to denounce the New Black Panther’s call to murder white cops and their babies, and

Whereas, the NAACP does its entire membership a grave disservice by hypocritically engaging in the very conduct it purports to oppose,

Now therefore be it resolved that the St. Louis Tea Party condemns the NAACP for lowering itself to the dishonorable position of a partisan political attack dog organization, and,

Be it further resolved that the St. Louis Tea Party calls on similar organizations to join in unanimous condemnation of this despicable behavior, and

Be it further resolved that we demand that the NAACP withdrawal their bigoted, false and inflammatory resolution against the tea party for any further consideration, and

Be it further resolved that these organizations call on the Internal Revenue Service to evenly apply their standards and consider the tax-exempt status of the NAACP considering the degree to which they are engaging in habitual partisan political behavior.

Adopted unanimously, this day, July 12th, in the year of our Lord, 2010.


http://biggovernment.com/jhoft/2010/07/13/we-will-not-be-silenced-st-louis-tea-party-passes-resolution-condemning-naacp-racism/
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Which reminds me, did the IRS ever hire those 16,000 “thugs” to enforce Healthcare?

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no voters alleged they felt intimidated/threatened, no one filed a  complaint with the police, there were half a dozen or so Republican poll watchers, some inside and some outside, yet none of them captured video, audio or even a still of shabazz acting in a threatening/intimidating manner towards voters,

hmmm...that sounds familiar. Oh, yes, it was the conversation about tea-partiers using racial slurs and acting in a threatening manner, which were never captured on any of the numerous video or audio devices present, the ones which the police never arrested anyone for and which no formal complaints were issued.

Funny how opinions and perspectives change when the shoe goes on the other foot, isn't it?
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Those incidents, the racial and homophobic slurs were captured. Those with younger eyes and ears saw and heard. But there is no video, audio or stills, none at all of shabazz threatening/intimidating voters to even question.
The spitter was never arrested because a positive identification could not be made by the vicitm and unfortunately, hurling racial or homophobic slurs is not a crime in this country.
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Those incidents, the racial and homophobic slurs were captured.

Show me. Last time I heard, the 100,000 dollar reward for producing one had not been collected. let's see them, please.

Two instances where there were no videos or audio and you use that as an excuse to excuse one and villify the other with the reasoning that "younger eyes and ears heard them". Prove it.

Shoe on other foot....

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I posted links several times to those videos that also included comments indicating many others heard them. If you really want to see them, try the site Search feature.

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I think it was a pretty fair outcome on the shabazz/NBP case - no voters alleged they felt intimidated/threatened, no one filed a  complaint with the police, there were half a dozen or so Republican poll watchers, some inside and some outside, yet none of them captured video, audio or even a still of shabazz acting in a threatening/intimidating manner towards voters, and the police didn’t think, even though he was carrying a nightstick, he was enough of a threat to arrest. Also, during the approximate hour shabazz was there, Republican poll watcher inside the building never called police to report voters were being threatened/intimidated. And even the Republican poll watcher who later did call police, admitted he didn’t feel threatened, stated that he walked between Jackson and shabazz to enter the building. I think it was a good call on the part of the DOJ.

Isn’t posting a video showing racist hate mongering likely to stir up strife?

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My only concern, Ron, is that race play no part in the evaluation, investigation, or prosecutorial decisions that are made. According to Adams' testimony it does. That needs to be addressed so that justice is applied equally to all.

Blackjacks (nightsticks, billyclubs) are prohibited offensive weapons anywhere and at anytime in PA.




     I notice that your description here, Denise, states that "blackjacks" are prohibited offensive weapons anytime and anywhere in PA.  I also notice that in the quotation from the law code you include below, that "Blackjacks" is included along with what sounds like a legalistic description of brass knuckles.

     However, in your description of weapons that are considered illegal you are explicit about Blackjacks yet place billyclubs and nightsticks in brackets afterward, as though you considered them a subcategory of blackjacks, and not as a separate, banned category.  

     The law did not mention billyclubs or nightsticks at all, at least in the part you quoted to us, though it may mention them in some other portion of the law  you didn't choose to quote.  Would you please show that part of the law?

     You may not be away of the distinctions between the sort of weapons represented by billyclubs, and the sort of weapons represented by blackjacks, and why it might make sense to forbid possession of a blackjack and not a nightstick, but you should know, in case you don't know already, that a blackjack is commonly a spring-loaded weapon with a substantial weight at one end.  As a result is is easily concealable, while a two or two and a half foot night-stick, these days often produced with am L-shaped wooden projection to make it more effective as a come-along device and for use, if necessary as a tonfa, should the owner be trained in use of that weapon, is not at all easily concealable.

     The black-jack is a weapon designed for bone-crushing attacks, and it takes a great deal of training to use it with less than very damaging effect.  It is simple to crush a skull with it with what would seem to be a minimum of effort, and, like brass knuckles, it is hard to justify using it at all for situations without believing that the outcome could easily be lethal.  Brass knuckles, for example, were often carried in the trenches in the first world war, and were often part of combat knives.  A tap of a black jack on the back of the hand could shatter the bones there without much effort.

     At one point blackjacks were issued to some police officers, and there were pockets sewn into their pant legs for them.  I don't believe they been in use for quite a while, because of the potential danger.

     Nightsticks, on the other hand, are fairly regularly issued.  It is hard to keep them out of the hands of citizens because anybody who wishes to can carry a cane by claiming a bit of a limp.  In this slightly longer form, a stick can be even more effective, with some training.

     It may be possible that Mr. Shabazz was acting poorly.  Indeed, he was apparently convicted of acting badly.  I would be interested the definitions you seem to have supplied for billyclubs and nightsticks, however, and their being subcategories of Blackjacks.  

     I would also suggest that calling the NAACP racist is an interesting reappraisal of history.

     I would be particularly be fascinated to hear all the stories about the Ku Klux Klan members being hung from trees for talking trash about black women over the last hundred years or so, or the numbers of white men who've been tarred and feathered by mobs of black men.  Or the numbers of white churches that the NAACP has encouraged people to bomb.

     Strange Fruit indeed, Denise.
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Actually, you didn't, Jennifer, or you would be 100 grand richer by now. Your posted videos showed no such thing except what you cared to interpret, and nothing vocal to back it up.

I find it so interesting how Bob and Jennifer go to bat for such a sleazeball like Shabazz and badmouth the Tea Partiers. Jennifer claims, after seeing the videos, that she would have felt intimidated and yet claims that, since no one complained, no one felt intimidated.  Bob supplies rhetoric questioning whether a nightstick is actually a weapon. How many people have you seen walking around with nightsticks lately, Bob, outside of law enforcement? Are there, like, special holsters people buy to carry their nightsticks while in public? Do bars and businesses have "check in your nightstick" rooms where people can place them, such a coat rooms? Can nightsticks be used by people who limp? I suppose so although a person using Shabazz's nightstick as a cane would not have been over 18 inches tall. Bob would go to such lengths as to bring hangings, tar and featherings and all sorts of atrocities from the past to make some kind of a point. Is his point is that blacks can act any way they want because they were mistreated in the past, why not just excuse all blacks from following any laws? If they are stopped, they can just say, "My great grandfather was tarred and feathered one hundred fifty years ago, and the police will have to let them go.

Sorry, folks. I know you're in a tough situation, having to defend someone like Shabazz for purely political reasons, but these arguments you're tossing up really don't cut it. Jenn will swear there was no intimidation because there was no proof while swearing there WAS tea party intimation with no proof. Imagine what she would be saying if the tea partiers showed up at rallies with nightsticks!

The videos speak for themselves, contrary to all words written here to justify them.
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Your interpretation of what I showed, said, and wanted to do is completely wrong, Balladeer. But everyone needs a hobby, so if misrepresenting my intentions and the facts I presented makes your day, have at it and keep up the good work!

But I do feel bad for poor Gracie. Couldn’t you at least give her a break?
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A truncheon or baton (also called a cosh, Paddy wacker, billystick, billy club, nightstick, sap, blackjack, stick) is essentially a stick of less than arm's length, usually made of wood, plastic, or metal-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baton_(law_enforcement)
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The description of a Blackjack gets a little more specific a bit further down the page you linked to Denise and when it comes to specific definitions courts tend to be fairly pedantic.



By the way I think Samir Shabazz and his pink panther mates are wingnuts. Do they support the Democrats? Almost certainly. Did the Dems ask them to stand outside a polling station dressed like the A-Team waving sticks? Heck no – that’s just plain ludicrous, they may have been there as card carrying Dems but the suits and sticks idea was all of their own making.

Samir Shabazz is exactly the same as those right wing militia nut jobs that are latching onto the whole Tea Party thing – they’re simply unwanted idiots gate crashing a party.

Neither are worth arguing about if you ask me.

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OMG. My backscratcher is really a blackjack?!


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Bob supplies rhetoric questioning whether a nightstick is actually a weapon. How many people have you seen walking around with nightsticks lately, Bob, outside of law enforcement? Are there, like, special holsters people buy to carry their nightsticks while in public? Do bars and businesses have "check in your nightstick" rooms where people can place them, such a coat rooms? Can nightsticks be used by people who limp? I suppose so although a person using Shabazz's nightstick as a cane would not have been over 18 inches tall. Bob would go to such lengths as to bring hangings, tar and featherings and all sorts of atrocities from the past to make some kind of a point. Is his point is that blacks can act any way they want because they were mistreated in the past, why not just excuse all blacks from following any laws?



     Denise, I asked you about how it was defined in PA law, not in Wikipedia, since you were trying to make your comment sound as though it had legal backing, and was made with the weight of PA law behind it.  Perhaps you weren't doing so, and were simply shooting from the hip, as Wikipedia has done here.

     A two foot long or so police baton or Billy club or nightstick is not same thing as a nine inch long blackjack.  "Cosh" is the English slang for blackjack, and the word "sap" has also been used, although these two instruments don't have the spring loaded feature you will often find in a blackjack.  You can make a cosh or a sap simply by putting a few handsful of sand in the end of a sock and wetting it down.  You don't even need to have any rigidity to it at all; the function is that of a weight swung on the end of a rope or chain or piece of fabric or the like.  The slightly longer version, cane length, in Japanese, is called a jo, and the six foot long version is called a bo.  Each weapon is different, has different characteristics, has different uses, and requires different skills.  

     I don't know a lot about firearms.  I do know a bit about sticks and knives and swords, though I'm seriously short of any skill level.

     As for you, Mike:
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Bob supplies rhetoric questioning whether a nightstick is actually a weapon.



     Show me where I said that or say straight out that you were distorting my comments, Mike.

     I said that a nightstick was not the same thing as a blackjack, despite the silly thing that wikipedia said here.  If you've done any police-work, you should be able to tell the difference on sight, every time.  Both are weapons, as you know.  As you know, blackjacks can usually be hidden away in a coat pocket or a standard pants pocket while nightsticks must have special pockets built into uniforms for them or must have special rigs for placing them onto a belt.

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Bob would go to such lengths as to bring hangings, tar and featherings and all sorts of atrocities from the past to make some kind of a point.



     Well, yes, Bob certainly would.

     You see, when Denise is chucking around the concept of "racism" so easily in terms of how Blacks are talking about others, I thought it might be useful to remind Denise exactly what it was that defined the Black Experience with "racism."  Was that untoward of me?  To set some sort of understanding of what the term in real life terms?  

     I thought I was being concrete and practical.

     I thought, you see, that with all this talk about equality that Denise was bringing up, that she would want the experience of racism to be defined the same way for whites as it is for blacks.  Any degree of racism is unacceptable, mind you, but to talk about the NAACP of all organizations being racist sort of takes the cake.  The NAACP has had to fight for every inch of progress its made, including in education, and the right to have integrated housing, the right to have an integrated medical system — blacks have died for lack of transfusions available at white only hospitals.  Intermarriage was forbidden until recently, and the slurs have certainly not stopped.  

     We might also talk some time about the legal system.  I mentioned earlier other things that are quite fresh in Black memory, and are certainly fresh in mine.  They happened in my lifetime, and they happened in Mike's lifetime.  They are racism.

     Tell me how what Denise is complaining about is racism like that.

     It's worth complaining about.  It's worth seeking a remedy for.  

     It's also worth keeping a very firm perspective on, such as I believe has gone by, here.  

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Is his point is that blacks can act any way they want because they were mistreated in the past, why not just excuse all blacks from following any laws?



     It is Bob's point to remind whoever wishes to read what Bob says that racism continues to be an active element in the politics of the far Right.  That Rush Limbaugh thinks nothing of saying that the President of the United States would not have been elected if he weren't Black.  That while the entire episode that we are talking about here is being framed as a matter of the Obama administration, it was an occurrence of the last election cycle and was dealt with under the previous administration, though the elements of racism are clear in its being brought up now and its being blamed on a Black President and a Black Attorney General.

     Mike's proposal that we not hold blacks responsible for obeying any law is a red herring, albeit a particularly noisome one.  The question is why does the country countenance attacks on Blacks now simply because we have a Black President.  Why is what Mr. Limbaugh said not denounced by those who follow him so avidly?

     The only reason that I can think of that makes any sense to me at all is that they agree with him, and what that says about the quality of thinking in this country is stupefying, and what it says about the amount of racism in this country is horrifying, regardless of what your evaluation of President Obama as a President.

     And there, I think, are your real race politics.


    


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Whatever term you wish to use to describe the item that Shabazz was carrying, the Court enjoined him from displaying any weapon in the future near any open polling place, in order to prevent a repeat of his  behavior. So they must have considered his nightstick a weapon.

Although the different types of batons may have differing descriptions, we've always used the terms interchangeably here, rightly or wrongly. But if you don't consider a nightstick as falling under the blackjack prohibition, then it would surely fall under:

Any other implement for the infliction of serious bodily injury which serves no common lawful purpose

I think your backscratcher is safe Ron!
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Bob, your real race politics are all Obama's. Everytime he gets in a jam or doesn't get what he wants, he pulls out the race card. He even used it against the Clintons while trying to get the nomination. he is definitely of the mind set of "When all else fails, scream race."

There are your race politics, Bob.
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     Nonsense, Mike.  

      I've heard little but race and ethnicity from the right since before the election, starting with rumor mongering about the President's Religion (though what's wrong with being a Muslim is beyond me, The President has been characterized as a Muslim or a Racist black Christian since early in the campaign).  Then the Right began to toss up stuff about him being Nigerian.  Then he was criticized for his black friends, never mind that Doctor Gates was a professor at Harvard and was a well recognized scholar in the field.

     Then Mr. Limbaugh has been keeping up a reasonably steady stream of talk about him, including some of his recent remarks.  Then he has been criticized from being involved with black community organizing and ACORN.

     I think it's been fairly ugly.

     I think the President has mostly kept his mouth shut about it, because he doesn't want to polarize the country.  I think most of the issue about the Black Panthers and about Acorn are about race, since neither organization is or was ever very large, and near as I can tell, certainly about ACORN, the Right went well out of its way to spread malicious lies and rumors about that organization without backup, and used the power of Fox news to drive that organization out of business.

     I'd call that racist, as well, since the purpose of ACORN was to help Blacks get organized, get a vote proportional to their size as a community, and act as a group in their community interests.
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Adams testified that the Obama Administration used a political appointee to scrutinize former Voting Section Chief Christopher Coates. When that political appointee delivered the order to dismiss the Black Panther case, he admitted that he had not even read the memos in support of proceeding with it. Additionally, Adams mentioned that the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) lobbied in March 2009 to have the case dismissed.

During the Hearing, Adams refused to answer several questions concerning specifics on the DOJ’s handling of the case, citing fears that he would be revealing deliberative information. However, Adams confirmed that political appointees – not career attorneys – made the decision to dismiss the case.


http://www.examiner.com/x-2684-Law-Enforcement-Examiner~y2010m7d9-Justice-Dept-whistleblower-ignored-by-news-media

Interesting. The NAACP lobbied to have the Panther case dismissed. So perhaps their 'resolution' calling the Tea Parties racist is just their way of deflecting scrutiny away from their actions in this matter that is now in the news.

I don't think the NAACP is what it started out to be, Bob. I think over the years it has become very politicized and racist in its own right. Racism is racism, no matter whom is directed toward. And they cannot go back over 50 years ago to justify their bad behavior and wipe out over a half century of progress in race relations in this country.

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Enter Hans A. von Spakovsky, “a former commissioner on the Federal Election Commission and a former counsel to the assistant attorney general for civil rights at the Justice Department.”

He rebuts:

This “downgrade” talking point is apparently supposed to excuse the Obama administration’s decision to dismiss virtually the entire civil voter intimidation case and to neuter the injunction sought against the one remaining defendant so substantially that what was left was little more than a minor annoyance.

These claims by a nonlawyer betray a fundamental ignorance of the difference between civil and criminal prosecutions and a total misunderstanding of how things work at the Justice Department and the Civil Rights Division. First of all, although the Civil Rights Division has a Criminal Section, the vast majority of its voting-rights prosecutions are civil cases conducted by the division’s Voting Section. Whenever someone violates the Voting Rights Act and does so in a way that is potentially both a civil and a criminal violation, the division must decide whether to proceed first with a civil or a criminal case. With most voting cases, the decision is usually to go with a civil case, particularly if there are elections coming up in the near future. That is because civil cases have a lower burden of proof and give the government the opportunity to obtain almost immediately a temporary injunction to stop the defendants from engaging in the same wrongful behavior as the case winds its way through the federal courts.

Criminal cases can take longer to develop, particularly since the government usually has to convene a federal grand jury to return an indictment. Also, criminal cases focus like a laser beam on individual defendants, whereas civil cases can include an organizational defendant (like the NBPP).

The focus for the Civil Rights Division is always on the best way to get the remedy that is needed to stop and prevent the recurrence of the voter intimidation or other wrongful behavior as soon as possible. In this particular case, when the decision was being made in January of 2009, the division knew there was going to be another election in May in Philadelphia. The fastest to way to make sure there would be no thugs in paramilitary uniforms and jackboots smacking batons into their fists at polling places in the upcoming election was to file a civil complaint and obtain a restraining order against the individual defendants and the New Black Panther Party. In fact, one of the defendants dismissed from the case was once again credentialed as a Democratic poll watcher in the May election.

Once the division obtained a judgment and an injunction in the civil case, they could have decided to further pursue a criminal prosecution against the individual New Black Panthers, but the number one priority had to be getting a civil injunction as expeditiously as possible before the next election.



So, this left-wing excuse (that criminal charges weren’t also brought) may strongly support what the Civil Rights Commission is now trying to focus on — and what the DOJ is desperately trying to cover up.

Indeed, the person who would have been responsible for making a recommendation on whether to file a subsequent criminal charge against the individual New Black Panther defendants was Mark Kappelhoff, the “career” chief of the Criminal Section and a former ACLU lawyer. Besides being a big contributor to Democratic candidates like Barack Obama and John Kerry, as well as the DNC, Kappelhoff was considered such a liberal loyalist that he was moved into the political position of chief of staff to the acting assistant attorney general for civil rights by the Obama transition team almost as soon as they came in the door.

Sources tell me that Kappelhoff never recommended a criminal case against the baton-yielding thugs, so the claim that the Bush administration is somehow responsible for “downgrading” this case is complete nonsense.

http://www.allamericanblogger.com/11208/new-black-panther-case-handled-under-bush-not-so-fast/


This case was handled as a civil case initially because there was an upcoming election in Philadelphia in May. Civil cases can move faster than the more time consuming criminal cases.

A criminal case could have been persued after the civil case, but it was important in light of the coming election to at least get a court order to prevent similar incidents at the next election.

Not only did the DOJ under Holder not bring criminal charges, they didn't even allow the civil default to stand.

I hope this clarifies that this case was not mishandled or downgraded by Bush but rather swept under the rug by Obama.

You haven't heard little but race from the right, Bob. You have heard disgreement with policy and disgust with the hypocrisy, with the arrogance, and with the lack of transparency from this administration. It is those who are being criticized who are attempting to use charges of racism in an attempt to shut down the debate.  And my complaining about the Panthers is not indicative of my being a racist. It is indicative of my disgust that they are, and that they, along with the Nation of Islam, promote racism and hatred of whites and Jews.

It's not about race. It's about truth and integrity.
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The commission probing allegations that the Justice Department wrongly abandoned a case against the New Black Panther Party has formally called for a federal investigation into claims that the department's Civil Rights Division will not pursue black defendants.

In a letter sent Wednesday to Assistant Attorney General Thomas Perez, the chairman of the bipartisan commission said testimony last week from an ex-Justice official raised "grave questions" about whether the division is "color blind" in its enforcement of the law.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/07/14/civil-rights-panel-urges-federal-probe-following-testimony-black-panther-case/


YES! Perhaps there is hope that we can eventually move forward and have a truly color-blind justice system.
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     Media Matters, the Liberal research organization, has checked into some of the allegations.
http://mediamatters.org/research/201007070020


     You should make a point of not taking Media Matters at its word, but of checking out its source material, for which it provides links and references.  I did, and it seemed to check out well.

     Have a look at how it deals with some of the observations your sources make.  I believe they are dealt with very well indeed.  
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