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50 posted 07-09-2010 11:49 PM       View Profile for JenniferMaxwell   Email JenniferMaxwell   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for JenniferMaxwell

And I also said I believed shabazz meant to intimidate.
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We don't know how much clearer the evidence can be than having the Panthers caught on video wearing paramilitary garb, wielding billy clubs and shouting racial threats at potential white voters in front of a polling place. Indeed, Bartle Bull was an eyewitness. He's also a former civil rights attorney and publisher of the ultra-liberal Village Voice. He called it "the most blatant form of voter intimidation I've ever seen." http://patriotpost.us/edition/2010/07/09/digest/
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52 posted 07-10-2010 12:12 AM       View Profile for JenniferMaxwell   Email JenniferMaxwell   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for JenniferMaxwell

Now take a look at this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neGbKHyGuHU

See the woman standing just a few feet behind shabazz and Jackson. She was there, I wasn’t. She saw/heard what was going on, I didn’t. Does she look fearful or anxious to you? She sure looks very relaxed to me, chatting on her cell, just hanging out. Not the way most women would behave if two guys, one of them a brute and the other carrying a nightstick, were acting in a threatening or intimidating manner.

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In July 2009, I interviewed poll watcher/witness Christopher Hill, whom Shabazz and Jackson called “cracker” several times while Shabazz brandished his baton.

“They physically attempted to block me,” Hill recounted. He also saw a group of elderly ladies walk away from the polling site without voting while the duo preened in front of the entrance. “If you’re a poll watcher, you shouldn’t be dressed in paramilitary garb,” Hill said, as he wondered aloud at what would have happened if he had showed up in the same sort of costume.

In May 2009, I reported on the affidavit of civil rights attorney and poll watcher Bartle Bull, who witnessed the NBPP thuggery in Philadelphia and reported on billy club-wielding Shabazz’s election day boast: “You’re about to be ruled by the black man, cracker.”

In the fall of 2008, just days before he showed up to hector white poll workers, Shabazz told the Philadelphia Inquirer:

“I’m about the total destruction of white people. I’m about the total liberation of black people. I hate white people. I hate my enemy… The only thing the cracker understands is violence… The only thing the cracker understands is gunpowder. You got to take violence to violence.”


http://michellemalkin.com/2010/07/09/whitewashing-black-racism/

Those who were intimidated, whether they voted or not, are the victims. Some were intimidated into not voting according to one eyewitness. Not lodging a formal complaint does not mean that there weren't those who were intimidated.
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Jenn, if you are trying to sell the idea that the jerk was not intimidating (although you acknowledge he was) and people did not feel intimidated by his presence and his actions, you are not going to convince anyone. If it were reversed and a white man stood out there, banging his nightstick on his hand, calling blacks coming in to vote, racial slurs, you would be livid, screaming about such repulsive republican tactics. Instead, you try to promote the idea that no one was intimidated because no charges were filed. You can say anything you want. The video speaks for itself. If those are they kinds of people you wish to excuse, then that says it all, doesn't it?
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Yep, those, I believe, were the guys referred to in my post #42.  

"The complaints have come from white Republican poll watchers, who have given no evidence they were registered to vote in the majority black precinct."

Bull and Hill were MaCain supporters, Republican poll watchers. Do you know who the woman was in the video, was she ever interviewed by Fox?

Where do poll watchers go if they want to threaten/intimidate voters? Do they go where most of the voters are going to vote the way they want them to?

Gee, you know what this reminds me of? Remember the spitting and N word discussion when you, Denise and Balladeer, said the incidents couldn't have happened because you couldn't see or hear it on the video. Well, ditto. There were at least half a dozen Republican poll watchers at the scene and none of them captured shabazz or Jackson threatening/intimidating voters.


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Yep, the video does speak for itself. It shows no voter intimidation and a woman smack dab in the middle of the scene who isn't in the least bit fearful about what shabazz or Jackson are doing.  
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I came back to apologize for being, in this thread, what I deplore in politics--a distraction.

The fact that I was ill and much into my cups is no excuse.

I find the video very disturbing, and a blatant display of unnecessary emotional muscle.

I also find the politics of the previous electoral years, although subtle, even more disturbing. Pastors, Reverands, spiritual leaders insinuating persuasively how their congregations should vote? The notorious long lines and shortage of voting machines in predominantly Democratic demographic areas, the appalling world-wide embarrassment of the fiasco in Florida, and the list does go on.

We can recognize shabazz for what he is--and personally, I would like the past to rectify itself by not repeating itself in the future.

What cannot be denied is that President Obama WON this election.

If I made a fool of myself by voicing despair, it's because even if this is a game to you all, it's a new season.

I'd kinda like to get on with it, m'self.

If you guys still want to argue about this stuff, I guess you have the right, no pun intended.

I'm simply suggesting we get on with what is pending, most obviously. I'm not saying dirty political games should be tolerated--what I am saying is we should prioritize.

If the Republicans and the Democrats want to have a very nasty divorce, fine.

But the children come first.

Learn how to fight the fair and proper and fight. As a judge would say-Hell, even Dr. PHIL would say that you have to set aside the personal pain and make plans to act responsibly for the future.

Can we possibly have a discussion about a positive path for the future of our nation?

I'm not saying we should forget the past, not at all. I'm simply saying that we can no longer afford to rehash the errors of our ways, on both sides.

We have not lived up to the promise of..even our cartoons. Unless you are a Tom and Jerry fan.

There is a better way to live, to be, and both sides can win--and if we don't stop this, both sides will lose and we'll take the world down with us.
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Karen, I wish I could see a positive path for our future but I can't, not with the direction we are headed. I literally grieve for our country.
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How can you have a postive path to the future when the party of No, the party whose primary goal is to see the President fail, does nothing but bash leaders we the people elected instead of working together to help find solutions for our problems?

These threads are a good example of the misinformation and scare tactics  Republicans spread via Fox and hate radio.
The hate and lies started with  socialism/fascism/marxism/communism, claims the President was a radical Muslim, a radical white hating bigot, "death panels" and now they're back to fanning the flames of racism again as Palin followers did before the election.

Their tactics are devisive, they pander to racists and and radical Christians. Their lies and misrepresentation of facts are legion and it's well past time to call them out on it.

The Tea Party folks are the same old Republicans who put Bush in office for two terms but are ashamed to admit it. I can forgive them for the first term, but even after seeing his total incompetence, war mongering agenda, finding out how he lied to the American people and led them into a war the killed thousands of innocents, their own sons and daughters, and tanked the treasury, they went right ahead and gave him the green light to keep on doing it to us.

Their goal now is to put another Neocon puppet at the helm, fill the House and Senate with airheads like Bachmann who will toe the party line, fill the pockets of their wealthy cronies with tax deductions and drill baby drill until there's no hope at all for this beautiful world.
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Karen, none of us are smart enough to know the answers or the path. All we can do is what we feel is right, care for ourselves, those we love, find joy in the moment, share it and if you’re a prayer, pray. A good read for distraction, Mankell’s “Chronicler of the Winds.” Shows that even in troubled times, there is consolation that can carry you through.
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Serenity, I think post #59 indicates pretty clearly how difficult the road will be.

Sighing along...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKO6W2NfUnQ&feature=related
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I worked closely with the former chief of the Voting Section, Christopher Coates, during my time at the Justice Department. He was a voting rights giant. He brought cases to stop racial discrimination as far back as 1976, just a decade after passage of the Voting Rights Act. Coates was a former attorney with the ACLU, and while at Justice, he was instrumental in bringing the case against the New Black Panther Party.

Because he believed in race-neutral enforcement of the civil rights laws, his powers as voting section chief were slowly sucked away by the Holder Justice Department.

Eventually made an intentionally powerless figurehead, Coates was transferred to South Carolina to work in the U.S. Attorney’s Office. His courageous going-away speech to the entire Voting Section and to the deputy assistant attorney general left little doubt about the “change” at Justice:

I have never assumed that I was entitled to ignore that clear language in federal law and therefore ignore incidents where evidence showed white voters were discriminated against or where the wrongdoers were themselves members of a minority group. … I have had many discussions concerning these cases. In one of my discussions concerning the Ike Brown case, I had a lawyer say he was opposed to our filing such suits. When I asked why, he said that only when he could go to Mississippi and find no disparities between the socioeconomic levels of black and white residents, might he support such a suit. But until that day, he did not think that we should be filing voting rights cases against blacks or on behalf of white voters.

I believe that one of the most detrimental ways to politicize the enforcement process in the Voting Section is to enforce the provisions of the Voting Rights Act only for the protection of certain racial or ethnic minorities; or to take the position that the Voting Section is not going to enforce certain provision of any of the voting statutes the Voting Section has the responsibility to enforce. Such decisions carry with them obvious, enormous implications for partisan political struggles.

Coates was not issuing a hypothetical warning for some future dereliction of the Department’s duty. The danger had already arrived.

United States v. Ike Brown

Coates and I learned about the hostility towards equal enforcement of the civil rights laws long before United States v. New Black Panther Party. Coates brought, and we won, the case of United States v. Ike Brown arising out of Mississippi.

Brown was the head of the Democratic Party in Noxubee County, a majority black county. The party ran the Democratic primaries, which served as de facto general elections, and Brown made no secret about his desire to see every government office in the county held by a black officeholder. Brown ran a Tammany Hall-style political operation. During one election, he literally stuffed illegal ballots he knew were marked for black candidates through an optical scanner in front of a crowd of angry citizens shouting provisions of Mississippi law at him.

“You ain’t dealing with Mississippi law, this is Ike Brown’s law,” he replied.

Brown organized teams of notary publics to roam the county collecting absentee ballots. In many cases, the notaries cast the ballots themselves instead of the voters.

Brown took absentee ballots to his home the night before the election, and put yellow sticky notes on them instructing compliant poll workers — whom he chose — why the ballots of white voters should be rejected. The poll workers complied, and canceled their votes.


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Ah well...

And I've been told I can't even go train for the pelican program. (I tend to forget a lot of  things, like um, oil makes me sick.)

So no, I'd be a hindrance and more of a nuisance than a help there as well.

Just like I am....here.

I guess it's on to Plan B--I'll find me a piano player and go be a French Quarter Freak, pretend I don't know and don't care and try to amuse the folks who come here to forget for a while.

OH.

I won another game of chess though.

My father once said that heroes will come from unlikely sources. I'm getting a bit curious now.

My love to all.
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     Out of context, Mike.

     Let me get this straight, because I come to this late.  White Republican Poll watchers ran into trouble at a majority Black precinct because they felt that a Black Panther was intimidating voters.

     Which voters was he intimidating?  Was he intimidating any of the minority white voters?  

     You come forward with no complaints from these voters, though I confess, you might have come forward with such complaints and I might have missed them.  Are there any such complaints?

     The Republican Poll watchers, as a matter of pure courtesy, were these poll watchers blacks or were they whites?  It should make no difference, but I would hope that, as a matter of politeness, some of the black Republicans would have done the poll watching to avoid possible unnecessary friction.  Was that courtesy observed or not?

     What was the nature of the challenges that the Republican poll watchers were upset about?  You report that there was profanity, but apparently there is no presentation here of any film from the poll.  Perhaps I have this information confused.  If I do, I'd appreciate some correction about the details.

     Two people were not charged.

     You make assumptions about why they were not charged.  Why do you make these assumptions when one of the three was not only charged but apparently convicted as well?  Doesn't the conviction belie your primary assertion that there was no action?

     The more reasonable conclusion is that there was no grounds for a winable case, since in one of the the three cases such an outcome was pursued, and a conviction was obtained.  Why would you set such a conclusion aside in favor of a less reasonable conclusion?

     More importantly for me, did the Republican Poll Watchers find reason to question the registration of any of the Republican voters at this precinct, or any white voters at this precinct, or were they only examining Democratic or Black and Democratic voters?  Is there any breakdown of which voters they attempted to eliminate from voting and what the grounds were they used to disqualify them?

     And did their reports of difficulties with The Black Panthers have anything to do with the sorts of queries they may or may not have been making?
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The case was already won, Bob, awaiting sentencing by a judge. Justice, on the condition that Shabazz refrain from being within 100 feet of a polling place with a weapon of any kind until 2012, (something that is illegal anway), dismissed all charges, after they had already won by default when the Panthers failed to appear for their hearing.

One of the complainants was a Democratic poll watcher, 'cracker' though he may have been.

In addition to the video evidence there were also sworn affidavits submitted by eyewitnesses. It was a slam dunk case according to the attorneys who had worked on it.

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"One of the complainants was a Democratic poll watcher, 'cracker' though he may have been." - Denise

Who was that?
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I don't know his name, Jen. I heard it mentioned in one of the tapes about it that I had heard, and that he was one of the ones who had called the police, and was refered to as a white Democratic poll worker, but I don't recall that a name was mentioned.
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Thanks for the response, Denise, though I am a little disappointed you don’t have the source. Hadn’t heard that claim before and wanted to check it out.

Is “cracker” a racial slur? Like when shabazz used the word, was that actually a slur or is it more like slang or something?

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Sorry I don't remember where I heard it, Jen. I may have even heard it on the news.

Yes, cracker (probably derived from whip-cracking slave owners or corn-cracking farmers) is meant to be a slur against white people, as is honky (might mean "red-eared person" or "white person" from the term "honk nopp" in the west African language, Wolof). But slurs against the white race in general don't seem to carry the same politically incorrect label as do the slurs against individual nationalities and other races.

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     I don't use it, Denise.  It's not terrific language, and I notice that you reserve it for the Democratic campaign worker, while not addressing my questions about the Republicans.

     My comments about the conviction for one and the failure to convict for the other two still stand, however.

     Perhaps what you're suggesting is that the case against Shabazz was so poor that the only reason he was convicted was that he failed to appear?  In which case, you may well be talking about a miscarriage of justice.

     I suspect not, of course.

     What about those Republican Poll Watchers.  I trust you won't speak of them in such unflattering terms.
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     I did have a wonderful moment, Denise, when you spoke about Shabazz carrying a nightclub.  I really did know what you meant, and I've said the same thing myself on more than one occasion.  I think it's part of the poetic process that our brains hand us gifts like that, and it's up to us to see if we can find some way of putting them into poems.  I envy you having your brain hand you that one, and I hope you can find some lovely use for it.
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I was being facetious, Bob, when I referred to the poll worker that way, you know a take-off on what Shabazz was calling all the white folks. If I had been referencing a Republican poll worker in that sentence and in that context I would have done the same. I didn't mean it in a derogatory sense, more of a smack at Shabazz's hatred of white folks, Republican, Democratic, or whatever. Just my way of sticking up for all us crackers, I guess. It is a very funny word, though, isn't it?!

You can read the statements of the attorneys who worked on the case. I have no reason to doubt the seasoned attorneys' opinions at the Justice Department that the case was a slam dunk.

Nightclub is a cross between a Billyclub and a Nightstick.
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I have no reason to doubt the seasoned attorneys' opinions at the Justice Department that the case was a slam dunk.

I'm curious, Denise. Have you ever heard a lawyer say the case he was trying was pretty weak but he was going to give it a shot anyway? I haven't. Seems to me, every pending case is a slam-dunk right up to the point it is won or lost. Then, either way it goes, it becomes a miracle and the lawyer either walked on water or was unjustly crucified.  
 
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