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Huan Yi
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"Does anyone know why it wasn't deleted?"


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Can I take it that you donít know either Huan?

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Sigh. Yes, Grinch. Someone knows.

Did you have another question?
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Yes, could someone explain why?
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We could, but then we'd have to kill you.

Okay, seriously, then. While your interest in how the site is moderated is very much appreciated, this isn't the best way to exercise it. The problem with being an armchair quarterback is that you'll never know everything happening on the sidelines. You can't, because that area of the field is, to some not small extent, private. Put a microphone in the wrong area and confidences will inevitably be breached.

The only way to play the game, Grinch, is to get on the field. If you're not in the huddle yourself, you can't really expect to hear the give and take between those who are willing to carry the ball every play. Make sense?


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More broken promises and a new tactic

"Israel shut down Gaza's Kerem Shalom crossing on Wednesday over security concerns, an Israeli official confirmed, shortly after Palestinian Authority officials announced previously banned goods would be permitted entry.

Spokeswoman for Israel's Coordination and Liaison Administration in Gaza Nili Aharon said the crossing was sealed after receiving information on potential projectile launching in the area."
http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=295688
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Great News, John, The Judge granted Yousef political asylum today after the DHS removed their previous objection!
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=173101
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Guess maybe I wasnít having a tinfoil hat moment after all:

They used the cameras to take the pictures that they wanted.to get out
http://www.palestinechronicle.com/videos/viewVideo.php?fileID=570
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quote:
Make sense?


Absolutely Ron, confidentiality in an individual or specific case is entirely understandable but itís the overall policy Iím questioning. There have been several occasions when unacceptable comments have been made in public, where inappropriate content tickets have been raised and upheld by mods but where the comments remain.

The claim that inappropriate content wonít be tolerated is a fine ideal but it seems, at least to those in the bleachers, that itís simply not true. Comments are posted in a public forum, the mods go into a huddle and a private apology is made Ė off microphone Ė the comments themselves however remain and to anyone who comes across them they appear 100% tolerated.

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Maybe click report or send the link to a mod or admin, Grinch. Could be a case of it didnít get done only because ďI thought X took care of thatĒ.

Hopefully, from now on we wonít be seeing any or as many personal attacks in the Alley as in the past.


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Thanks Denise, that's good to see.


PS:
In a public statement, the student union of the ruling Moderate party (Fria Moderaternas Studentforbund) writes ďWe can unload the shipsĒ.

The statement refers to the boycott that the Swedish Dockworkers Union currently is imposing on Israeli cargo arriving to Sweden as well as Swedish cargo destined for Israel. In response to the Dockworkers Unionís boycott, the young Moderates offered to offload and load those ships which the dockworkers refuse to handle.
Their statement reads:

ďToday, the Swedish Dockworkers Union has initiated a blockade of goods to and from Israel. The reason is that Israel did not let through a number of ships which were aiming to break their naval blockade of Hamas. To so clearly take a stance for Hamas and their unlimited naval access to accept all the goods they wish, including weapons, is a manifestation of hate towards Israel, not a support for the suffering population. Those who really want to have peace in the Middle East should instead take a stance against the terror group Hamas and the horrible suffering which it has caused Gazaís population. It is Hamasís fault that people are suffering in Gaza, not Israelís.Ē

As a sign of their support of Israel the students have consequently decided to act in order to break the Swedish blockade against Israel and load and unload those ships which the dockworkers refuse to handle.
Anyone in Sweden interested in helping the Moderate Student Union can contact chairman Gustav Dymov for further information and contact details:

Email: gustaf@fmsf.se
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We can unload the ships


Do you think thatís a realistic clam Huan or empty rhetoric?

Personally I donít think students will be unloading anything. They donít own any docks for a start or any of the heavy machinery used to unload modern cargo ships. In addition they donít have the training, licenses or insurance required by the port authorities to man the machinery and docks that they donít have.

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Not to worry Grinch, I believe the blockade was over a day or two ago. It was supposed to last only a week. Too late, I'm afraid, for anyone to grab their hard hats and grappling hooks and join in the fun.
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Asked this in another thread, perhaps this is a better place to post it:

How many troops does our ally Israel have in Iraq and Afghanistan?
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     My understanding is that they have none, Jennifer.  You may remember that Israel was specifically asked to stay out of the whole business during the First Gulf War because it would completely mess up the alliances we'd worked out.  They were pushing to do so at the time because of the missile strikes on Israel.

     I suspect that their involvement would only make a terrible situation even worse were they to try to involve themselves now.  We've got enough problems that we've created on our own in these places.  They are, if anything, an overzealous ally, and one that's quite dangerous to get involved with if we are going to preserve any sort of relationship with the middle-eastern Muslim states.  They could very quickly lead us in places that we, even at our most impulsive, would rather not be.

    That may be one of the few places where the alliance seems to be functioning to everybody's more or less mutual benefit.  I hope you're not suggesting they should send some troops.  Talk about gasoline on a fire!  I shudder at the thought.  It's hard enough to try to get them to show any restraint without suggesting we give them their head in potential combat situations.

     Whatever communication we have with Muslim countries would, at that point, go out the window.
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Thanks for your help, Bob, really couldn't find out much.

No, not really suggesting they actually send troops, was just trying to figure why, if we're giving them billions every year, it seems we get so little help and so little cooperation from them. Thought maybe I'd missed something.


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This is so sad. We saw IDF soldiers fire a tear gas canister directly at an Al Jazeera reporter in a video I posted a while back, so it's not unreasonable to believe this woman may have been targeted. The IDF is careful to avoid civilians? Seems some of their troops couldnít care less who gets hit.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gYIdyEG1flAKmpENGdWPjjuoUd7gD9GMQNPO0

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     We're realistically buying off internal pressure from the Jews in this country who really don't want to see relatives and friends get killed in Israel.  A lot of that country was founded on concentration camp survivors and refugees and there isn't a lot of Jewish support over here for allowing Israel to go under.  There are loads of lurid fantasies about what that would involve, and with the rhetoric we get over here, some of those fantasies sound like they may be based in fact.

     Reality says that there is probably a much more two sided series of villainies going on over there than can easily be sorted out.  I personally am well aware that Israel has acted exceedingly badly over a very long period of time to the Palestinians and in some cases toward its own Islamic population as well.  But there is a mutuality of loathing that seems to jusrtify almost any set of actions to either side that is hard to credit, in somewhat the same way that such things seemed routine in our own civil war.

     I have offered before the theory of the twin civil wars in my conversations about the area, and I still think it's a reasonable formulation.  Reactionary and revolutionary forces are at each others' throats on the Islamic Side, as they try to figure out their religious and political wishes for the next hundred years or so.  The same on the Israeli side.  These sides are very bitter opponents in each religion.  Each side struggles to be the force that represents the religion in the world at large.

     Neither reactionary nor revolutionary forces in either religion is willing to allow the other the credit for working out a peace with the other religion.  It would allow too much of an advantage in the internal struggle.  

     It would also allow too much attention to be refocused onto the internal affairs of other middle eastern states, and the unhappiness of the various islamic peoples living there, in many cases under virtual bondage...

     Should the internal religious civil wars ever be settled, there would still be the interests of the various dictatorships to be maintained, many of which are allied with one or another of the religious movements.

     The various displaced people in Palestine were kept in Displaced People's camps following the 1948 war and while they were not allowed back into Israel, though they should have been in at least some cases, they were not allowed to resettle in any of the other Islamic countries either.  They were kept there by their Islamic neighbors as  potential causes of future conflicts, not simply by the stubbornness of the Israelis.  

     The Palestinians got it from both sides.  

     Helen Thomas made some unfortunate remarks about the Israelis needing to return to Germany or Poland or Russia rather than settling in Israel a few months back, but it did highlight some of the difficulty involved there, though I don't know that people commented on it very much.  That is, what would have happened to the Jews if they'd actually tried to go back?

     There were a lot of places in Europe that seemed very much in favor of the Nazi policy.  Not the Danish and not the Dutch, of course, who really tried to put up a resistence to that sort of thing; but the Poles and the Russians and many of the Eastern Europeans found the pograms quite congenial.  You might want to check in William Shirer's The Rise and Fall of The Third Reich for some of the details, which are far from pretty.  The French were quite anti-semitic, and you might check on the history of Britrish anti-semitism as well.

     The American variety is common as poison ivy.

     That's one of the reason that Helen Thomas, whose reportage I have generally respected, seemed to have made a world class silly comment.  Some of FDR's comments to Harry Hopkins would be better left unquoted, and I am very pro-FDR.  People forget exactly how anti-semitic this country was with Father Coughlin and his pals in the 1930's, and they forget that it was still impossible for Jews to buy or live in many places through the fifties and into the sixties right here.

     So while it's very important that the Palestinians get a fair deal, and that they get treated honestly and justly, stuff like Helen Thomas was trying to say really is a bit out of place.  And there are serious burned bridges behind the Jews in Israel, and the same people who are saying they don't want any new immigrants in the U.S. speaking Spanish will be probably be just as happy to say the same thing about immigrants speaking Hebrew or Arabic.  

     The IDF aren't the world's most pro-arab folks, no.

      But then the Ms. Congeniality award hasn't been offered to anybody in that area for a very long time, and it really works best in this sort of situation when it gets awarded to everybody at once.  And there's certainly enough rancor to go around and plenty left over for seconds.

     What everybody seems short on is personal responsibility and a willingness to make the first step and then to keep going in the face of setbacks.  That's what's needed all around.
    
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     A bit on the overblown side, there, if you'll accept my comment on myself.  I do tend to go on.

     But the point is that both sides have suffered greatly over there, and in other places too, for that matter.  It seems unlikely that anybody will be able to make much headway unless they aere able to appreciate the suffering that the other side has endured and ó at the same time ó be willing to take responsibility for the role they themselves have played in creating that suffering.

     And then be willing to negotiate from a place that honors what each side has gone through.

     As in this thread, I think that much of what everybody says has truth to it ó not everything, mind you, but much.  Fighting amongst ourselves as to which details we have wrong may actually serve some purpose, but not, I think, the greater purpose of getting some peace over there and, really, some peace between ourselves over here.

     I can't imagine the Palestinians being thrilled with the Israelis under any circumstances.  I think the Israelis are in danger.

     There are good reasons for the Israelis to be in danger.  They have without a doubt helped create their situation, and they don't seem to have the will to change.

     The longer they're there, the worse the trouble it appears they're in.  The worse the trouble they're in, the worse they seem to behave.  

     The Arabs have been less than thrilled with first the Jews and then the Israelis for a very long time.  They have had a part in creating the difficulty with a long history of anti-Jewish uprisings.  They are not as innocent as they would like to appear.

     Nor are the Israelis.

     About one thing, though, they seem to be in absolute agreement.  It's the other guy's fault.  And who can argue with such an appealing proposition.  I mean, really!

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