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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosab_Hassan_Yousef


Something else to talk about.


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276 posted 06-29-2010 05:43 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

Excuse me, Balladeer, but your words, your slur implying that I was a $5 hooker, came from and  are still right here in the Alley.
I was referencing that hateful personal attack posted here in the Alley,


Then why didn't you mention it then? You didn't in the thread, nor  did you issue a complaint on it. Even when a complaint was made by another person, you did not mention it, although you had ample opportunity. You are now claiming, months later, that it was a personal attack...and doing it in a thread that has absolutely nothing to do with it? Now, all of a sudden, it's a three month old slur because you got called on insulting Denise? Your argument makes no sense at all.

You and Denise violated the Confidentiality rule by discussing in this forum your version of what happened in part in a VM discussion.

It wasn't "our version" of what happened at all. It was factual, as you well know. Trying to pretend it was something it wasn't does not change it.

There was absolutely no need for you to bring up the VM forum discussion other than to spin it your way knowing that your interpretation of what transpired could never be challenged in this forum without violating the Confidentiality rule.

Again, there was no spin and no interpretation. A complaint was made and discussed. You were part of the discussion. You did not mention  the hooker comment. The matter was resolved. It is dishonest of you to attempt to refer to spin, personal interpretation, or a "version". You know that description is untrue. Since no one else can be privy to the conversation, the mods are the only ones who know your words are untruthful....and yourself, of course. One would think that would give you some concern, but apparently it doesn't.

The ploy of answering questions is not going to work for you this time, Jennifer

Why did you raise the (mischaracterized) $5 hooker comment in this thread?

Ron has asked you, Ess has asked you and I have asked you. You won't respond, which is actually a fairly good response. You opened a hornet's nest and are complaining you got stung. Such is life.


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Balladeer, Iíve explained at least twice why I posted that remark. Saying I havenít responded is an out and out lie. You ought to be ashamed.

Of course your $5 hooker, classless, sleazy comment was a personal attack. What else could it possibly be? I asked you in #274 to explain what it was if it wasnít a personal attack:

ďI donít think thereís any other way to read Balladeerís comment, slavery has been abolished and $5 is below the minimum wage. Perhaps Balladeer needs to enlighten us as to what he meant when he said $5 was about what I was worth? Could make the Alley all bright and beautiful again.Ē

Instead of responding to that request, you go on the attack again. Canít you think of a way to CYA? Give it a shot, just for old times sake.

I know what was said in the VM forum and I know your interpretation and Deniseís were slanted, biased and in no way reflected what most of the discussion was about. Very similar to the way you quote out of context here in the Alley, twist words to mean something that was never intended.

Time for some moderation, after all. I've removed the latter part of your post, Jennifer, because it is not in your purview to discuss the VM forum or predict what other posters might or not feel.

[This message has been edited by Ron (06-29-2010 07:09 PM).]

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Time is short, so two birds with one stone:

250 posted 04-11-2010 08:35 AM                        Inappropriate content?

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Iím having difficulty understanding why a moderator thinks itís ok to discuss one PiP member with another, especially when itís usually in an unfavorable way.

I let your $5 hooker personal attack go but I am getting very tired of seeing you, a moderator, trying to press a PiP member into making a comment about another memberís character or intentions. So, Balladeer, Iím asking you to stop. If you want to attack me again, take your best shot, but stop trying to drag other PiP members into your little personal vendetta. Got it?
http://piptalk.com/pip/Forum6/HTML/001959-11.html
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You misread, Ron. I wasn't predicting I was questioning. I think it's a very valid concern.
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You have not responded why you posted that remark, unsolicited, in this thread...and obviously you don't intend to. You continue along the same lines and it's now a waste of time for both of us.

Those reading this thread (poor souls) can make their own determinations as to where the truth lies, if they care...and I would doubt they do. Have  a nice evening.
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Is there any special reason why the "$5" comment is not being removed?   It seems like it has been used enough to cause disturbance in enough directions by now that it ought to be removed once and for all!   Why would anyone be against that at this point?  

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282 posted 06-29-2010 07:47 PM       View Profile for JenniferMaxwell   Email JenniferMaxwell   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for JenniferMaxwell

I know it's a typical Republican tactic, Balladeer, but repeating a lie over and over doesn't make it true. I responded to the question in 258 and 272.

Feel free to apologize, better yet answer my question, if you weren't implying I was a $5 hooker, what did your five dollar comment mean?

Third time's a charm. I'll be waiting.

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That does not, however, make the comment, however mischaracterized by people with sex on their minds, acceptable. Which is precisely why we had a private conversation to resolve it. And of course, now that you've started a thread in VM, that's also where I'll address your other concerns.


If itís not acceptable Ron then why is it still there?

It doesnít make any sense to hold a meeting behind closed doors, decide that something is unacceptable and then leave it out there for everyone to see. At the very least it gives a casual reader the impression that there isnít a problem with using such language, they donít see the discussion that ensued or any apology or explanation sent privately to those offended.

Mike raised the point about the length of time between the post and the complaint, does that really matter? If I read it tomorrow and found it offensive and believed it was unacceptable is it automatically acceptable because three months have passed?

I think leaving this forum without moderation was a mistake, I understand that youíre busy and this forum has the potential to tire a saint but, and it pains me to say it, but I think that unless it can be moderated properly it serves no positive purpose and should be closed.

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Gentlemen, it's still there because Jennifer requested that it remain. I offered to delete it and she refused, preferring it to remain visible.....to be used in the future, as she has now? Who can say? Ir was her call.
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Another misrepresentation. Thanks Balladeer, once again you've proved me right, taking things out of context to CYA is part of the way you work!
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Third time's a charm, Jennifer, because you asked a question a couple of hours ago and are using demanding an answer as a crutch to help you keep avoiding the issue? As I said, this common tactic of yours won't fly here. I explained it in the mod forum thread. You saw it there. You trying to get me to make it public? You willing to have me make your comments in that thread public also? I thought not....

then perhaps you really didn’t feel insulted or attacked, as he has suggested I wasn’t hurt or insulted by the $5 hooker comment?

THAT is your reasoning for referring to it in this thread? I can simply say "Show me where I suggested that" and  you wouldn't be able to, shooting down that argument. Give it up. You decided to play with matches and got burned. Live with it.

I would not disagree with the Alley becoming a casualty of war. Ron was decent enough to set it up with the hopes we would be respectful enough and courteous enough to use it the right way. They Alley and Ron haven't failed us, just the opposite. Insults, sarcasm and personal hard feelings are now the norm. For a site that prides itself on being a family of friends, it reflects that poorly and does not reflect well on the meaning of the site itself.
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287 posted 06-29-2010 08:23 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

Jenn, do I have your permission to reproduce your exact words concerning it's non-deletion? You can either say yes or apologize.
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Nice try, well not really. Once again it's you who's avoiding answering the question "what did your five dollar comment mean".

Yes, I can and will show you that indeed that's exactly what you suggested, after you explain your five dollar comment.

You led, others followed your example. You change maybe others will, too.

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After you reply to my question, I'll respond to your request.
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290 posted 06-29-2010 08:55 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

Forget it...I'm tired of the merry-go-round and tired of your attempts to avoid the issues.

You bring up a question days after the thread began and demand immediate answers, while you yourself continue to evade comments. Allow me to repeat where I did answer your question. I explained it in the mod forum thread. You saw it there. You trying to get me to make it public? You willing to have me make your comments in that thread public also? I thought not....

Don't worry, I didn't expect an apology, nor did I expect you to allow your comments to be made public, since it would prove your allegations false. Go on about your business, miss, and have a good life. I have better things to do than wasting any more of my time beating this dead horse.
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"I explained it in the mod forum thread. You saw it there."

Nope, just checked, you didn't explain what the five dollar comment meant.

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If you should change your mind, the offer still stands - you reply to my question and I'll respond to your request.
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You mean in the same way you didn't say not to delete the comment?

Say goodnight, Gracie.
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Is Gracie the dead horse?
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West Bank poverty 'worse than Gaza'

"Children living in the poorest parts of the West Bank face significantly worse conditions than their counterparts in Gaza, a study conducted by an international youth charity has found.

The report by Save the Children UK, due to be released on Wednesday, says that families forced from their homes in the West Bank are suffering the effects of grinding poverty, often lacking food, medicine and humanitarian assistance.

The European Commission funded study found that in "Area C"- the 60 per cent of the West Bank under direct Israeli control - the poorest sections of society are suffering disproportionately because basic infrastructure is not being repaired due to Israel's refusal to approve the work.

Homes, schools, drainage systems and roads are in urgent need of repair, but instead of work being allowed, families are being forced to live in tents and do not have access to clean water.
Restrictions on the use of land for agriculture have left thousands of Palestinian children without enough food and many are becoming ill as a result, the study found.

Conditions in Area C have reached "crisis point", the charity said, with 79 per cent of the communities surveyed lacking sufficient food - a greater proportion than in blockaded Gaza, where the figure is 61 per cent."
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2010/06/201062916845576597.html

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Gentlemen, it's still there because Jennifer requested that it remain. I offered to delete it and she refused, preferring it to remain visible.....to be used in the future, as she has now? Who can say? Ir was her call.


Sorry but I donít understand.

Jen gets to choose what unacceptable content remains and what gets deleted?

The comment isnít acceptable, Ron said as much, you presumably apologised and offered to delete it because you thought it was unacceptable, why the heck are you asking Jen whether it should be deleted?

Unacceptable = deletion

Or are you saying that it is acceptable Mike? If so why did you apologise?
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Like I said, Ess, some people get pleasure out of the scratching.
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Is scratching like stoning?
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I guess you donít know the answer Mike, I donít either, which is why I asked. I canít see any reason at all to leave unacceptable comments in place, you say it was because Jen asked you to but that makes no sense at all.

Does anyone know why it wasn't deleted?

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