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50 posted 05-29-2010 11:00 PM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

In the future, Mike? Don't diminish my gratitude.

I do like to be correct.

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Barack Obama is the best thing thats ever happened to America.

Atleast thats what those one guys in that one place said about that one thing.

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52 posted 05-30-2010 02:08 AM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

I like him.

I like him a lot.

I happen to believe he is the right man at the right moment in time--the kind of man that makes a difference--simply by being.

I love, I love that he speaks in complete sentences--I totally "get" his Lincoln connection. I think his wife is fine, too.

I love my president.

I actually believed him when he said he'd clean up this mess. When he holla'd, "Plug the damn hole!" I felt like he spoke for me.

It happened to be what I was thinking
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53 posted 05-30-2010 02:49 AM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

And I am back to address threadbear's initial post:

For the most part, I agree. So do most of my friends who are Obama voters/stoic supporters.

I would not trade one Obama for five McCains--and I am curious--would you?

We are dealing with what we have now; and let's bless the man--he knows the decent placement of a semi-colon.

Is it funny or even considered reasonable that the leader of the free world have a fine, well-defined utilization of the English language? Even as his citzenship has been questioned by people who don't even understand the deployment of an adverb acting actively?

Why are we fussing over such things when so much more is at stake?

Somebody explain it to me--in little economic syllables of one word profits?
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I don't care if my president can barely speak.

A quiet mind cureth all. - Robert Burton.

Speak all day to me in coherent sentences and intelligent twists and turns of many a subject.

All it means to me is your well rehearsed.

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Once upon a time, such a thing didn't really matter.

Now.

Tell me.

Did you think about what you said in your reply? I think that you probably did.

Just a hunch.

But it is said that Nixon lost an election over a problem he had with hot lights.

(Ain't it ironic?)

But yes, he did indeed, and  Nixon had his interviews timed so he could blot his upper lip. <--Totally true. His contracts stipulated that his upper-lip-blotting would be edited out. see "Frost/Nixon interview/trans." A great movie, btw--it totally shows the evolution/devolution of a man who lost an election by television and was determined to never lose his own vision of himself via the same medium. It's also totally endearing that his plan backfired. Well, in the movie it's endearing. Not so endearing in history...)
Obama is engaging, to my p.o.v., in that he has that dearth of integrity--I do feel like he goes home to his wife and kids at the end of the day--yes, I buy that stuff--but I think he has the weight of he world on his shoulders and is bound under that, by the beautiful privelage bestowed upon him that he is the first black man to be elected president. It matters.

It matters big-time. And he knows it.

I think there are times in history when, oh my--I can visualize the Greeks and Roman Gods playing parlance, and this time in history would be one of them. I wish New Orleans weren't so romantic and mythologically inclined, but we is what we is--so blow a low trombone slow, baby, and slide--cause we will die for this crap.

I look at the map of U.S. and think, "we are prolly too shabby for our neater folks"--'cause really, just look at us, our shoreline ain't nothin' easy, our marshland is different every damned day, and we tend to eat our kills.

But I am tired.

Mysteria? You remember Lafayette alnd I will always remember the thought of you there, complaining about animal cruelty as you ate gator on a stick. <--somebody make her tell that story, will ya? It's priceless.

I should go to bed. g'nite.
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smile

Look up! Totally not rehearsed.

Does it show?

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I mean, just pause and think about it:

A man named Barack Hussein Obama was elected President of these Unitied States.

*smile*

I can understand how many find that terrifying, but me? I find it exhilarating--the more I learn about him, the taller I stand.
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Personally, Karen, I'd trade one Obama for say maybe even a half of a Jim Demint or maybe even a half of an Eric Cantor! And as much as I love Bobby Jindal, he isn't a natural born citizen, so he isn't qualified to run for President, unfortunately.  

If you want to learn even more about Obama you might want to check out this book by Aaron Klein, that has about 900 footnotes for source material:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr3ixbtMS0c&feature=player_embedded

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Five minutes of thought vs. weeks of rehearsal and professionals writing your material is different.

Obama does a lot of acts for media attention. Hes a celebrity that can give a speech.

I would never vote for him. We need a president with more of J.F.K's style.

Though the way things are going, I bet next go-around will be time for another first.

I'm hopping for a Hispanic Woman to get president. That of course is based on the fact that growing up, the entire female side of my family was always right. No matter the answer.

I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet  place an

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The only thing I'm hoping for in the next Presidential election is someone who respects the Constitution, the rule of law, and our founding principles, and doesn't apologize for America around the globe at every opportunity. I don't care if they can claim a 'first' in superficial things that don't mean anything, like race or gender. And I hope we never elect another 'Progressive' again, although we do tend to get them every few election cycles, it seems.
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     Alas, Denise, preservation of equal treatment in those "superficial things" that don't matter to you, like race or gender, are part of the constitution that you insist on respecting, part of the equal protection clause.  How do you intend to protect the constitution and yet throw out the parts that you  don't like?

     It appears to me that you do this by offering a very selective reading of the constitution in the first place.    Your reading of the Constitution doesn't seem bothered that Arizona seems to be making foreign policy for the United States by setting policy for what the Federal government should do with people that Arizona thinks are illegal aliens.  The Constitution says that the Federal government controls foreign policy and not the several states, doesn't it?

     Confusions such as this need to be ironed out before assertions such as you've made in your posting above make sense, at least to me.


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     One of the endearing things about America is that it is willing on occasion to apologize for its errors.  I don't know that there are many other countries around the world that arer willing to do the same.  Germany, whose errors have, to my mind, exceeded our own, has been willing to say that it was wrong; though in some ways it was forced to do so by circumstance, it could certainly have fallen silent after world pressure let up after 30 or 40 years.  Neither the Israelis nor the Arabs as a whole have exactly come forward with statements of responsibility for their various problematic behaviors in the middle east.

     I think we've done rather well.

     Those who feel that the United States is faultless in its dealings, Foreign and Domestic, will feel bitter when I say that there are actions that we have taken over the life of our country that we would do well to be forgiven for.  I doubt that they would dispute me when I would suggest that the rest of the countries in the world have had checkered pasts, and that the rest of the individuals in the history of the world beyond a few sainted exceptions would doubtless be imperfect as well.

     I suggest that The United States and its residents are human as well.

     And that we have done better than most others because we have been able to say we're sorry when we see errors we've made.

     It's not really all that terrible to reject overweaning Pride in favor of a willingness to accept reality and make the corrections needed to learn from one's errors.  When I, after all, refuse to learn from my errors, or even to notice that I make them, I keep repeating them.  That happens often enough anyway.  
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I didn't appreciate Obama's apologies either. Who is he to apologize for a country? Or even for another president? The other countries don't come to us asking for forgiveness. Our president lost a lot of creditability with the world when he met with them on bended knee.
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I didn't appreciate Obama's apologies either. Who is he to apologize for a country? Or even for another president?



     That would be the elected President of The United States following eight years in which it seemed to much of the world outside the United States that we had gone nuts.  It also appeared that way to some of us here inside the country.  Announcing a change in foreign policy that said that the United States now felt that it had the right to execute a preemptive Nuclear strike on anybody in the world placed the entire world in a state of threat that it had not been at since roughly 1989, except that the Bush announcement was actually worse.  In 1989 the world understood that our policy had been and would always be a second strike policy.

     Simply for putting the world through that for no good reason was grounds for an apology, in my opinion.  

     There are many other solid reasons for issuing an apology, but undoing some of the damage done by that piece of rubbish and threat would justify it on its own.
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The other countries don't come to us asking for forgiveness. Our president lost a lot of creditability with the world when he met with them on bended knee.



     I believe that countries do actually apologize to each other on occasion.  Germany apologized to Israel, for example.  It didn't bring back any of the dead, but it did restore some of Germany's self respect and position of dignity in the world.  Many of the Jews in the world felt a substantial difference.  The Vatican recently apologised for the trouble it gave Gopernicus.  I don't know if they've yet issued an apology to Galileo.  I for one would be a bit slower on that one, not for the scientific issues about which Galileo was plainly correct, but for  the way he went about treating the Pope at the time.

     The Armenians world-wide are still upset, and quite rightfully so, I believe, about the failure of the Turks to issue an apology for the Armenian genocide.  These things are actually fairly common.  If you think the president lost a lot of face, I would beg to disagree with you.  This world is hardly run on the Rules of the movie Love Story where "love means never having to say you're sorry.'"

     The fact that President Obama got it out of the way in the first six months or so of his  Presidency seems pretty remarkable to me.  He'll be lucky if he can actually fix the damage caused by the events of the eight years we're talking about here in four years, and we'll be really lucky if he actually wants to fix some of the things, like the damage done by The Patriot Act that people are just beginning to get scared about after almost ten years.

     Bush shouldn't have passed those little beauties in the first place, and we can hope that Obama gets rid of them.

    
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Gibbs: Obama hasn't talked to Hayward because BP board calls the shots

Updated 5:46 p.m.
By Michael D. Shear
When President Obama was asked by NBC's Matt Lauer why he had not yet called the CEO of BP about the Gulf oil spill, he said he assumed CEO's just told presidents things they wanted to hear.

On Wednesday, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs had another answer.

Gibbs said Obama hasn't called CEO Tony Hayward because -- according to what Gibbs called the "executive structure of corporate governance" -- the CEO alone isn't the final word on company decisions, which are made by the board of directors.

"Look, the CEO is elected by the board. Anything that the CEO wants to do has to be approved by the board," Gibbs said.

Later, he added: "I'm telling you, based on the corporate governance structure, in order to implement what -- whatever you get from BP the CEO has to get clearance from the board to do. That's -- that's the corporate governance structure is -- is laid out."

So did that mean that Obama had picked up the phone to talk to some of these powerful board members?

No.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2010/06/gibbs-obama-hasnt-talked-to-ha.html

What an interesting scenario. The president of the United States, arguably the strongest man in the world, shies away from meeting with the man whose company is responsible for the biggest ecological disaster in US history. He has spoken of  him, berates him, spoke of how he would fire him if he worked for Obama....but doesn't talk to him directly.  He has given other excuses, too, like "I want actions, not words". This is the man who preached dialogue, the man who would speak with the Iranina leader. Yet when it comes to a one-on-one with someone he has little control over, he passes. This same thing happened with the governor of Arkansas, whose immigration bill he berated, insulted and warned that it would damage the United States....but refused her requests to meet, until public pressure forced him to do it. He will meet with Hayward, too, because of the same public pressure. Hopefully he will think of something to say this time, unlike his meeting with the Arkansas governor. I don't recommend he tries the "ass-kicking" routine because it won't fly.

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Bob, race and gender are superficial considerations in determining the qualifictaions of someone for public office. Fidelity to the Constitution, which all public servants swear to uphold and defend upon taking office, is the most important consideration. That is the measure of a candidate, not whether they are black, white, yellow or brown, not whether they are male or female.
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Why aren't Obama and BP doing what has proven to work in the past?
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/ybenjamin/detail?blogid=150&entry_id=64227
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I didn't even read half-way through all that Bob K, mainly because its a wall of opinionated text rather then fact.

Point out Obama and I'll show you a non-citizen who can give fantastic speech, elected because he happens to have dark skin due to the fact he is half African American.

Do I like and agree with most of his ideals? Yes.

Are they way out of reach? Yes.

Would I have voted for him? No.

Why? Give a fantastic speech, promise a million miracles and get the majority of the minorities vote because of your skin color and I'll simply not respect you.

I don't care if it was a Chicano that went up for president under the same circumstances. Not getting my 1 vote-that-doesn't-really-matter.
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quote:

Bob, race and gender are superficial considerations in determining the qualifictaions of someone for public office. Fidelity to the Constitution, which all public servants swear to uphold and defend upon taking office, is the most important consideration. That is the measure of a candidate, not whether they are black, white, yellow or brown, not whether they are male or female.



     No, Denise, race and gender are not superficial considerations in determining the qualifications of somebody for public office.  My understanding is that they are not legal considerations at all.  You may have been misled in this regard by the fact that there have been no women Presidents, and President Obama is the first president we have with an identifiable african-american heritage.  I can't speak for the rest.

     Women, and people of color have been enormously underrepresented in the elected offices of this country.  Certainly in the House and Senate, Women and People of Color have been enormously underrepresented in proportion to their presence in the population.  If this was the superficial consideration that you suggest, I so no reason that this would be so.  It certainly seems to distort the bounds of likelihood in regards of chance, if you were to consider the matter statistically.

     Of course, should you or somebody else have a better statistical explanation that accounts for the difference, I'd be interested in hearing it.  I am not a statistician by any stretch.

     Even fidelity to the constitution, which I personally find important to earn my vote, is not one of those requirements, which generally involve some sort of age minimum, 18 or 21 or 35, and occasionally birth or citizenship requirements.  

     Despite your talk about loyalty to the constitution, I notice that your reading of that document may involve a granting of powers to the executive branch that I find uncomfortable, such as were passed under the Patriot Act, and which permitted suspension of warrants and increased the powers of arrest granted to the government that I believe to be unconstitutional and unwarranted.  The arrest of groups of people under these laws is all to possible and should not have been permitted at the time, and should not be permitted today.

     Had you been serious about the issue of constitutionality rather than partisan politics, I would have expected to hear your voice raised at that time as well as today instead of merely today, and I would expect it to be raised at the constitutional issues raised then and still at issue today rather than your clear dislike for the present administration, whose support for the continuation of these policies is, in my opinion, not in the best interests of the nation.

     By keeping the issue of these inroads on our constitutional liberties on the level of partisan politics where it certainly may be fought, though not, I fear, fought successfully we keep our agreement on these constitutional issues at arm's length and make our united opposition to this sort of thing into an issue of who gets elected next.

     This doesn't help anybody if the next election still has The Patriot Act and similar Laws on the books when the dust settles, whether a new party is in power or not.

     My feeling is that the issue of whether a candidate is a good candidate is whether or not they are willing to roll back the tide of executive control over the protections that our constitution has traditionally provided us against the attacks of the government on our civil liberties.

     A repeal of The Patriot Act would be an excellent start.
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quote:

I didn't even read half-way through all that Bob K, mainly because its a wall of opinionated text rather then fact.



     My fault, then.  I should have made my wall of opinionated text more interesting.  Perhaps even less of a wall, but more of a series of short, punchy paragraphs with short punchy sentences.

     But I figured it was pretty obvious.  More about politeness than anything else, you know?  When you leave the pooch moaning in the middle of the floor, and there aren't any other culprits around, when you're the one wearing that lopsided grin, everybody in the world knows.  Keeping your mouth shut isn't going to fool anybody, even the island chains that don't get cable, and the folks in Patagonia.  

     And the longer you keep your mouth shut, the longer the scandal stays around and the worse you look.

     Your strategy is like asking your wife, "Who are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes?"

     At least if you say you're sorry you can start to put things right.  I mean, the idea is that you have something like a relationship of mutual trust, isn't it?  So the next time you say something, their more likely to believe you, not less?

     Otherwise, what reason do you have for expecting anybody to take this country at its word?  Or for getting upset if they don't?  Unless having the overall reputation for being a nation of liars is something that doesn't bother you.  Because it sure bothers me.

     That's why it's worth cultivating a reputation for telling the truth and acknowledging when you think you've acted badly or done wrong.

     Still opinion, of course, but not so much a wall.

     Sure hope you made it all the way through this time.  

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We'll just have to agree to disagree, Bob. We obviously see most everything from a different perspective.
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     You're saying that they should be legal considerations, Denise?  Or you're saying that equal numbers of minorities have been elected?  Exactly what are you disagreeing with here?  

     I thought that at least some of the things I was saying were fairly objectively verifiable statements.  Which of those do you care to disagree with?

     You believe it's okay to expand the powers for the government to arrest whomever it deems to be a threat to the country and put them in camps?  I thought your sympathies lay with the oath keepers who say they won't do that sort of thing.  My mistake.  I thought you believed that sort of government power was tyrannical.  And your worries about the government keeping track of our communications and trying to figure out who was in agreement and who wasn't, I guess it's my mistake that you found that upsetting as well.  I do.

     I see a number of problems that need solving, such as cyber security, and no decent way available of solving them available that I can understand that seems to fit within the traditional American system of government, which I want to keep intact.  For me this is a genuine problem that actually needs to be addressed outright.

     It appears to me also that you don't believe our liberties are at stake unless it's from the left.  That you believe that the right is trustworthy despite any evidence to the contrary, and the laws that allow the whole set of threats to be no threat at all unless they come up in circumstances that leave me bewildered.

     If you can lock one person away arbitrarily, you can lock another.  If you allow the government to dismantle Posse Comitatus, then sooner or later people start to get fearful of what uses the army is going to be put to on American soil without the restraint supplied by that law.

     This is well beyond electoral politics.  This is a systematic dismantling of the constitution and of constitutional protections.  This world and this country is turning more and more into the Bizarro world of the Superman Comics of my childhood.  People try to talk about this in terms of sophisticated satire, like 1984 and Animal Farm.  But it isn't true.

     We are living on Bizarro World, and everything is backwards and upside-down.  I'm pretty much convinced of it.
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No, Bob, I don't believe race and gender should be considerations when choosing an elected official. We should be color and gender blind when making those decisions. THAT is what I am disagreeing with you about.  

I've told you in the past that there are parts of the Patriot Act that are overreaching and should be repealed, because they could be used by unscrupulous politicians for means other than intended. But until we elect people into power who give a damn about what the people think, nothing will change.
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     What, you think I'm in favor for color and gender bias?

     I'm against the color and gender bias that is there and that shows up statistically in favoring white males for the Presidency and for most House and Senate Seats.  Part of the issue is that not enough women actually run to give the current balance enough of a challenge.  We need more, left and right.
 
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