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And meanwhile, you’re coming of age in a 24/7 media environment that bombards us with all kinds of content and exposes us to all kinds of arguments, some of which don’t always rank that high on the truth meter. And with iPods and iPads; and Xboxes  and PlayStations — none of which I know how to work — (laughter) — information becomes a distraction, a diversion, a form of entertainment, rather than a tool of empowerment, rather than the means of emancipation. So all of this is not only putting pressure on you; it’s putting new pressure on our country and on our democracy.http://blogs.barrons.com/techtraderdaily/2010/05/09/obama-in-247-media-world-information-becomes-a-distraction/

I'm wondering how much information you all have gotten out of your IPods, XBoxes and PlayStations lately. Obama is making a run at outdoing Bush's Bushisms and Gore's Goreisms.

So information is putting pressure on out country and democracy. Sounds like Obama would like to do something about that potential problem.

I'm not anxious ro find out what....
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I'm wondering how much information you all have gotten out of your IPods, XBoxes and PlayStations lately. Obama is making a run at outdoing Bush's Bushisms and Gore's Goreisms.



Or your youisms?

There is plenty of information to be obtained from those sources Mike.  People actually podcast news and opinion, Xboxes and Playstations hook right up to the web -- you can surf and play -- and play together and chat -- it's the age of infotainment -- something you should be familiar with -- it's FOX's specialty.
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LOL...may indeed be an -ism of mine. So information can come out of a Playstsation? Or are you saying you can play with a playstation attached to a computer while using the computer for other things at the same time? In that case wouldn't the info be coming from the computer and not the Playstation or Xbox? Is that how you think Obama referred to it? Does actual information come from the Xbox? Can you just turn on your XBox and have info come from it or through it?

Do you think too much information, even when some of it is bad, is bad for democracy and the country? Should it perhaps be controlled?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7d6g-TpaGw
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Yiu can't be serious! LOL! I can't even read that video, especially with it's speed. I was hoping to get info from a person, not a youtube video....Forget it. I'll research it myself.

and the other question?
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http://us.playstation.com/index.htm

I've checked the PS3 and XBox home pages and could find no information on their being able to access the internet except for Playstation purposes, such as downloading new games or such. If you can find anywhere where it dictates you can access anything else, or receive news or information from anywhere else, let me know.
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Still looking. Can I get CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, blogs, opinion sites ot any other areas where this "misinformation" Obama refers to, on a PlayStation or XBox?
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I seem to have lost my PS3 mentor. Anyone else have any info on that? Also, anyone have an opinion on my question...

Do you think too much information, even when some of it is bad, is bad for democracy and the country? Should it perhaps be controlled?
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Tech-savvy Obama tells grads Apple iPads hurt democracy

President Obama, who ran the most tech-savvy presidential campaign in history, took a surprisingly hard line against Apple products Sunday in a graduation speech  that touched on the importance of education in a world being revolutionized by technology.

Obama is certainly the most tech-savvy president we've had. His presidential campaign used YouTube, mass texting, Facebook  and blogs to energize grass-roots support in an unprecedented way. During the campaign, Obama was photographed using an iPhone (he now uses a BlackBerry), and his wife, Michelle, said she bought the family MacBooks so they could stay in touch while he was on the road, an Apple fan site gleefully noted.

All of which makes it surprising that Obama not only suggested he didn't know how to use iPods and iPads in his speech, but also criticized them for turning users into a powerless audience that consumes instead of creates.

By blaming gadgets for turning information into entertainment, Obama expands his ongoing criticism of the 24-hour news industry, which he says spreads misinformation and polarizes the public in its quest for higher ratings.

"With so many voices clamoring for attention on blogs, on cable, on talk radio, it can be difficult at times to sift through it all; to know what to believe; to figure out who's telling the truth and who's not," he said in the speech, encouraging graduates to use their education to arm themselves against misinformation.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/20100510/pl_ynews/ynews_pl1976
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hmmmm...I seem to have found a topic that resembles the curious incident of the dog barking at midnight....

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I was dismayed to hear Obama say such things, but it certainly didn't come as a surprise. He has a need, I believe, to have control over the media, to have people only hear what he wants them to hear, and only with the spin that he wants on it. All else is disinformation and smears, according to him. I don't know if he actually believes that or not or if that is just his own smear tactic that he is using.

While most of the media are his willing lapdogs, the internet, talk radio and Fox News are at the moment, out of his reach.
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My spouse mentioned this "information" to me this morning.

I told him that the next thing will be cell-tapping...

and don't think that it can't be done.
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quote:
I seem to have lost my PS3 mentor. Anyone else have any info on that?


You can surf the interweb on a PS3, and a Wii straight out of the box – they both have built in browsers – the last time I checked the xbox 360 was the odd one out, you could load a browser and surf the web but it didn’t come with one.

That last bit might have changed, there were rumours a browser was in the pipeline.

Can you have too much information?

No, but you can definitely have too much misinformation masquerading as information and there’s a good argument that can be made that it damages or perverts democracy – which is what Obama was talking about.

Is he likely to try to control access to misinformation?

No. Trying to insulate people from misinformation would be an impossible task and ironically attempting to do so would damage democracy far more than having free access to it. The best course of action would be to counter misinformation with actual facts.

Personally I’d go for a voluntary rating system for sites – similar to the star rating for hotels – any sites would put themselves forward for rating by an independent body, like Snopes or Factchecker. They’d get a star rating they could display on every page on their site dependant on their accuracy over a given period, if their standards dropped they’d be downgraded. Any site with a 5 star Fact rating would become a ‘go to’ and trusted favourite among surfers – any site that didn’t sign up to the system would be easily recognisable as suspect.

I say hoist them with their own petard.

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This questioned has been asked to me more than a few times. You be the judge of the “authoritative source.”

“For the past few years www.snopes.com has positioned itself, or others have labeled it as the ‘tell-all, final word’ on any comment, claim and e-mail. But for several years people tried to find out who exactly was behind snopes.com.

Only recently did Wikipedia get to the bottom of it -kinda makes you wonder what they were hiding. Well, finally we know. It is run by a husband and wife team – that’s right, no big office of investigators and researchers, no team of lawyers. It’s just a mom-and-pop operation that began as a hobby. David and Barbara Mikkelson in the San Fernando Valley of California started the website about 13 years ago – and they have no formal background or experience in investigative research. After a few years it gained popularity believing it to be unbiased and neutral, but over the past couple of years people started asking questions who was behind it and did they have a selfish motivation? The reason for the questions – or skepticism’s is a result of snopes.com claiming to have the bottom line facts to certain questions or issues, when in fact, they have been proven wrong. Also, there were criticisms the Mikkelsons were not really investigating and getting to the ‘true’ bottom of various issues.
When I saw that Snopes had falsely claimed that Obama’s Birth Certificate had been properly validated, I realized something was wrong with either their research and/or their credibility. It seems something is seriously wrong with both.
Then a few months ago, when my State Farm agent, Bud Gregg, in Mandeville hoisted a political sign referencing Barack Obama and made a big splash across the Internet, supposedly the Mikkelson’s claim to have researched this issue before posting their findings on snopes.com. In their statement they claimed the corporate office of State Farm pressured Gregg into taking down the sign, when in fact nothing of the sort ever took place. I personally contacted David Mikkelson (and he replied back to me) thinking he would want to get to the bottom of this, and I gave him Bud Gregg’s contact phone numbers. Bud was going to give him phone numbers to the big exec’s at State Farm in Illinois who would have been willing to speak with him about it. He never called Bud. In fact, I learned from Bud Gregg no one from snopes.com ever contacted anyone with State Farm. Yet snopes.com issued a statement as the ‘final factual word’ on the issue as if they did all their homework and got to the bottom of things.

Not!

So, I say this now to everyone who goes to www.snopes.com to get what they think to be the bottom line facts: Proceed with caution. Take what it says at face value and nothing more. Use it only to lead you to their references where you can link to and read the sources for yourself. Plus, you can always Google a subject and do the research yourself. It now seems apparent that’s all the Mikkelson’s do. After all, I can personally vouch from my own experience for their ‘not’ fully looking into things.”

Check it out and in the future when someone wants to “snopes.com” you, send them a link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snopes

http://www.metroedit.com/2009/05/how-accurate-is-snopescom/


So a husband and wife team could set ratings for internet sites? Interesting..

Actually I think Obama appointing a "Ratings Czar" would be more likely. That's his style.

After all, the ratings system worked out great for the movie industry......not.
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BTW...."You can surf the interweb on a PS3". Is the interweb different than the internet or is that just another way of saying it? I ask because, from what I read, the PS3 could only access sites dealing with the PS3, like downloading games or playing interactively with others. My interpretation could very well be wrong?

I wonder, with Obama claiming to know nothing about these things, how would he know that these items came with browsers? Of course we do know that he misrepresented that, being in love with his Blackberry, which he obviously knows how to work.
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And he is obviously quite familiar with the IPod, having given one to the Queen with his speeches on it.
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Well, I want my money back because my Ipod does NOT have a browser!
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Bahama's,....er...Obama's demonizing list knows no bounds.  
What's next for him to hate on:
upside down ketchup bottles?

The last time I saw someone with skin so thin was Richard Nixon.
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So a husband and wife team could set ratings for internet sites? Interesting..


Not necessarily Mike, I said something like Snopes or factcheck, but if a husband and wife team can supply an unbiased judgement based on factual evidence or attributes an "undetermined" or "unverifiable" judgment where applicable, as Snopes does – then yes, they could do it.

quote:
Is the interweb different than the internet or is that just another way of saying it?


It’s an amalgamation of two terms – The Internet and the World Wide Web - normally used by people who know what they’re talking about but who want to pretend that they don’t.

quote:
Well, I want my money back because my Ipod does NOT have a browser!


You should have bought an iphone Mike, it’s a phone, an ipod and has the ability to surf the Interweb.

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quote:
from what I read, the PS3 could only access sites dealing with the PS3, like downloading games or playing interactively with others. My interpretation could very well be wrong?


I considered using number2 son's PS3 to post this reply – but I’d have to go into his room to do that, which normally involves visa applications and numerous shots along with lengthy negotiations regarding future cleaning schedules.

I thought I’d give it a miss, here’s a link explaining how to get to the browser on the PS3 Mike.
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2008/12/31/ps3-how-to-surfing-the-world-wide-web/

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True enough, grinch, but Obama didn't mention IPhones...he said IPods.

Let's face it...them man lied through his teeth...again - nothing new there. The disturbing question is.....what is he laying the groundwork for in the future?

if a husband and wife team can supply an unbiased judgement based on factual evidence or attributes an "undetermined" or "unverifiable" judgment where applicable, as Snopes does – then yes, they could do it.

Well, if all it takes is unbiased judgement, I'm sure many people could do it. SInce the Scopes family has no lawyers, no investigative teams, and logically derives their results from what they can find on other areas of the internet, any of us could do it, I suppose. That would qualify them for setting internet standards? That's one of your weaker arguments, mr. grinch.

I CAN imagine Obama setting up a government agency to do it...of course, that knocks your "unbiased judgement" requirement out of the ballpark. Rockefeller has already tried to pass a bill giving the government complete internet control in case of national emergency - the government being the determinators of what constitutes a national emergency. Obama could easily say the the tremendous amount of bad or misinformation on the web could count as a national emergency, since he has just said it could damage or undermine our democracy.

There will be something coming down the road...stay tuned.
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OK, thanks for the info, grinch. Now explain how I can get it on the IPod Obama mentioned and I'll be fully informed
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oh, Mike, you know where He is going with all this:
this is laying the PR foundation for saying information is potentially bad, so it needs to be controlled.  By whom?  The government of course.
In steps the  Net Neutrality Law
which is a thinly disguised Fairness Doctrine.  In the name of equal time for liberal and conservative ideas, of course.
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Yes, I know, Jeff. I was just curious as to see whether any of our more ardent Obama supporters here had  anything to say about it.

The results are not surprising....but very telling.
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OK, thanks for the info, grinch. Now explain how I can get it on the IPod Obama mentioned and I'll be fully informed


All that Interweb, FaceTube and YouBook stuff just confuses me Mike, but if I wanted to load some of that misinformation onto an ipod I’d connect it to my laptop or netbook using a usb connection and  dump the files onto the onboard hard drive or utilise the flash memory depending on the model. I could download audio files of misinformation in MP3, AIFF, or WAV format, along with  videos in MPEG-4 format. Then I could listen and watch Fox news clips to my hearts content while on the move.

But unfortunately I don’t understand how any of that stuff works. I’m like Obama in that respect.

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