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     I sit corrected, Mike.
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Everybody's getting mixed up today on who I am!  I'm starting to get a huuuge inferiority complex guyz!  
What I wrote was a 'perception' statement, Bob.  In my opin, he obscures the true meaning of every situation:  like for instance, the URGENCY to pass Health care.  have to, right now!  Hunnh??  HIS urgency perhaps but not ours, and NOBODY called him on this blatant lie that it had to be done quickly, without reading the bills, you're gonna love it when you see, etc.

The first three attacks by Extremist Muslims weren't called a terrorist act.

The Fort Hood Captain Hassan was NEVER called a terrorist by the Administration.  Cap and trade is smoke and mirrors to shift big oil money to green technology and Obama knows it, but that's not how he is spinning this trillion dollar boondoogle.

He wanted education improvements, but his FIRST major act as Pres was to close the Washington DC voucher 98% success rate charter school.  

Let's Mirandize terrorists EVERY time...er...on second thought...SFX of sandels flip flopping

I'll close Gitmo in the first year.  ERRR....still open, Prez.  New detainees actually have been sent there since election, too.  ooopps

His pre-election rhetoric, which was powerful, and altruistic, is a far cry from the issues he has championed since taking office.  The two don't match.  

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Hey, don't forget the stimulus package and the shovel-ready jobs, not to mention booting out the lobbyists, who set a record attendance last year.....the list could go on for a while.
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Sorry Mike.  I don't schedule my life around PIP or your questions. You should pretty much know by now that I'm here, then I'm not here, then I'm here again, then I'm not here.  I don't have much time right now -- so pretty soon ,  I'll not be here again.

Yes, you can surf the web directly from a PS3, Wii, or an Xbox -- with the Xbox you have to do a softmod -- like install Linux -- because Microsoft only wants you to use its' web networking feature to access the Xbox Live subscription service in which it has an extremely heavy investment.

And, what Grinch has told you is pretty much true, excepting that iPods DO in fact connect directly to the 'Internets' via WiFi starting with the touch series introduced in 2007.  This is a comprehensive list of the podcasters out there http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_podcatchers  --so you don't have to use an iPod.

Heck, even my kids' Gameboy's are WiFi now.

(btw -- Wikipedia is a perfectly acceptable source for unbiased information BECAUSE it is completely open -- anyone CAN edit it -- but because of the strict rules everything has to be sourced -- the alternative is an encyclopedia that isn't live -- but is edited by a BOARD -- who do you trust more?  The thing is -- you have to look at the source material -- look at the bottom -- if there's something you think is wrong, you can investigate it further and join in a discussion about it -- or even edit it yourself -- but if you can't back up your claim it will get pulled down very quickly -- and don't worry -- the Republicans and Dems alike have paid staffers who regularly scan Wiki for objectionable content.)
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Do you think too much information, even when some of it is bad, is bad for democracy and the country? Should it perhaps be controlled?



I think what's bad for democracy Mike is that the range of choices pretty much insures that a person can limit themselves to whatever brand of misinformation they like the best -- without ever trying to look at something from another perspective.

Everyone has a voice on the web -- that's good, that's bad.  Sifting through all of it is the hard part.

Where I think controls need to be placed -- which aren't in effect currently -- is upon paid political advertisements -- the same truth in advertising standards need to be applied to them that are applied to selling toothpaste.
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Everybody's getting mixed up today on who I am!  I'm starting to get a huuuge inferiority complex guyz!  
What I wrote was a 'perception' statement, Bob.  In my opin, he obscures the true meaning of every situation:  like for instance, the URGENCY to pass Health care.  have to, right now!  Hunnh??  HIS urgency perhaps but not ours, and NOBODY called him on this blatant lie that it had to be done quickly, without reading the bills, you're gonna love it when you see, etc.



    Sorry, T-Bear.  Sometimes, as the ad says, you feel like a nut, sometimes you don't, and today, for me, has had a high cashew content.  I really like what you have to say, and I know you work hard at saying it, even when I don't agree with you.  I'm sad that you feel that I've missed you and confused you with Mike, which, in fact, I did.  I can't claim that the company's bad, though, since I enjoy Mike as well, especially when I'm not busy growling at him.

     If you spend any time reading Alfred Adler, you'd feel better about inferiority complexes.  Adler thinks that they push us to compensate and overcompensate, and often are the source of some of our best and strongest personality traits.  My observations tend to agree with his on the matter.  He gave a lot more thought to power than sex, and we ignore his thinking at our peril, considering how much of the heavy lifting he's done for us already.

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The first three attacks by Extremist Muslims weren't called a terrorist act.



     That would probably depend on asking "by whom."  Odds are that you would not be included in that list, would you be?  And there would be a fair number of others who would certainly share and amplify that opinion.  I suspect that there are people you wanted to be vocal in sharing and disseminating that opinion that did not do so, however, and that you may be indirectly sharing your upset about this.

     I too get angry at people for things that they do not say as  often as I get angry at people for things that they do say.  I often feel silence can be a terrible betrayal.  "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to remain silent" is a phrase that has done the circuit in my brain more frequently than I would care to count.  In this, as with many other things, I am dismayed at how self-righteous I can be at my worst and, perhaps, even at my best.  I don't know there whether I am being honest there or rueful or self-punitive.  Sometimes it difficult to tell.

     But one of the things that it would seem to me to come with the freedom of speech would also be freedom of silence, right?  As in, "You have a Right to Remain Silent. . . ."  And sometimes it is better to avail yourself of that right, not only for legal reasons.

     Nobody has to call the first three of anything "Terrorist attacks by Muslim Extremists," whether they are or aren't, do they?  You certainly have the right to impute any motivations to that silence that you wish, and, as long as they are a public figure, you have a right to share that generally.  If they were a private figure, there might be some liability attached, if I understand the law correctly.  Being a journalist, you'd probably understand that better than I would.

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The Fort Hood Captain Hassan was NEVER called a terrorist by the Administration.  Cap and trade is smoke and mirrors to shift big oil money to green technology and Obama knows it, but that's not how he is spinning this trillion dollar boondoogle.



     I don't have time top research this right now.  My understanding is that Cap and Trade was originally a Republican proposal to allow free market elements into controls on emission standards.  I have no particular opinion on the matter myself.  It sounds sort of Republican Lite to me, though, a sort of funny sounding compromise.


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He wanted education improvements, but his FIRST major act as Pres was to close the Washington DC voucher 98% success rate charter school.  



     I'd like to see some education improvements myself.  I'm simply not certain what they would be.  I have no idea what the history of this stuff is that you're speaking about here.  I tend not to like the idea of taking apart public schools, though I'm certain that there are lots of things about them that need improvement, including the protections for teachers that even other teachers believe are bad teachers.  How to address these things, I don't know, but I would like to begin some sort of discussion about this stuff if we could free it from the politics of left and right.  

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Let's Mirandize terrorists EVERY time...er...on second thought...SFX of sandels flip flopping



     Let's Mirandize everybody when we arrest them.  It may well help the occasional defendant, but it will certainly help every police department and prosecutor's office when it comes time to bring people to trial because it helps make sure that the protections are accorded and that convictions don't slip through because of careless or purposely deceptive beyond the pale police-work, as has occasionally happened in the past.

     You act as though Mirandizing somebody is something that is helpful only to the defendant, when in fact it provides significant help to the state as well.  Among other things, it reminds the police that it is not legal to beat or torture defendants, and that doing so, no matter how appealing previous administrations may have made it appear may actually be grounds for releasing the otherwise manifestly guilty defendant back into the population.  And that laws in this country are supposed to apply to the police as well as everybody else.

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I'll close Gitmo in the first year.  ERRR....still open, Prez.  New detainees actually have been sent there since election, too.  ooopps



     I'm infuriated at the man about this too.

     Actually, I don't know that you're steamed about this, only that you find this inconsistent, which it is as well.  As well as infuriating to me personally, is what I mean here.

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His pre-election rhetoric, which was powerful, and altruistic, is a far cry from the issues he has championed since taking office.  The two don't match.  



     I have to agree with you.

     I don't know if the disjunction is as large as that between Bush's campaign promises and his praxis of governance, but it doesn't seem as bad to me.  He seems to have tried to allow the Republicans a voice in the legislation and the policy decision, and the Republicans seem to have made a point of defining themselves by being against everything he's been for, even when, as in the case of the health care bill, the bill is essentially the same bill that they proposed as a reaction to Hillary's plan 15 or 20 years back.  It's been an exercise in frustration.

     "Not just the 'Party of No,' but The Party of H-ll No!'" was the phrase I heard used.  


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     You seem to suffer whiplash when people don't fit stereotype, Mike.  Sorry to make you feel dizzy.  I said what I thought to threadbear in the same way that I say what I think to you.  You have heard me say that there are things about the President that I don't like, and I've mentioned some of them to you.  These are the same things.

     If you actually wish to put the message you're trying to get across here into words, you should feel free to do so; as long as they are phrased tactfully and decently, I'm interested in hearing what you have to say.  I depend on my friends for criticism as well as for their interesting ideas.

     Loved the dress.
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Youse guys...

Bob, just wanted to say that I wasn't serious about an inferior complex.  Just teasing y'all is all.  I have rhino skin anymore: leathered by experience, tolerance, and indifference.  

Be at peace, brother.  We'll eventually elect somebody who knows how to wash dirty laundry.
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in Radio, the Fairness Doctrine's reintroduction would do the trick since AM radio is dominated with conservative talk shows.  The term fair and social justice comes to mind, as a target for Obama to strive for, and that means the free exchange of information.


If this has been adressed, I apologize for the repeat.

Many people will remember (and most blinding liberals will want you to forget) the Liberal radio media where ONLY liberals were allowed to spout off their hatred and abusive thoughts to their hearts' content (that was an intentional use of the words that have been used against the other side), yet they were unable to make it work for very long... it seems they couldn't muster too much of an audience... or sponsors to pay for the air time.
If this garbage about "fair and balanced" on the airwaves is required, then most of the talk radio stations are going to go off the air for the same reasons... of course, that would accomplish the goals that I feel the current administration is attempting.

No one to spout anything against the administration... ya know...

*thinks real hard*

Methinks I remember something about President Lincoln (#16) arresting people who disagreed with him, and suspending habeus corpus during his administration... Who would have ever thought that the current administration would want to pattern themselves after a Republican President...

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     Wut?

     I've heard a fair amount of Radical Right Wing talk about the dangers of the return of The Fairness Doctrine.  As a reasonably frequent listener to Left Wing radio, I haven't heard anybody advocate for it, and some talk against it.  Thom Hartman, for example, has been actively against it, not that anyone has asked for any examples.  It's a kind of large Republican red herring.  Left Wing talk radio remains alive and well, sorry to tell you.  If you believe it went away with Air America, you're wrong, and some of it is very funny.

     Odds are you wouldn't like it.

     I am unclear who you mean by the phrase "blinding liberal."  I have yet to meet a radical Right wing person who was able to find themselves illuminated by liberal ideas, let alone be struck blind by their brilliance.  And the flame cast by most conservative talk show hosts seems to come, near as I can tell, from what Milton once called "darkness palpable."  Many of the liberal talk show hosts actually seem to welcome conservative listeners who call in, and go out of their way to speak with them.  Some are more polite than others.  Thom Hartman seems very good about this, but Stephanie Miller will often listen with a fair amount of respect, depending on how she's addressed.  Treat her poorly, and that's how you'll get treated in return.

     Fox News advertises itself as "Fair and Balanced."

     Nobody suggested that there be legislation to enforce that.  It is simply a bizarre claim to make by a network that has made a point of being a propaganda arm of the Republican Party.  If Fox had called itself, The Right Network, at the Right Time and in The Right Place, everybody would have laughed and said, Yeah, sure, we get it, and muttered something about irony and truth in advertising and that would have been it.  The whole issue would have more or less vanished for being out front and clear.

     Nobody's going to try to take the right wing off the air.  If they tried, I'd campaign against the process myself.  There's no such thing as too many voices, even when they don't agree with me.  They may be wrong, which I regard as self evident, but I may be wrong too, which they regard as self evident, and I'm not about to say that everybody shouldn't have access.  There's not all that much freedom to go around that we can afford to abridge anybody's in a case like this, is there?  Abridge somebody's freedom, and the total amount of freedom available for everybody goes down.  That's the way I figure it in my mathematically challenged fashion.

     Now you, Ringo, may think the current administration is trying to do this.  I don't.  But if you can show me where, who and how, I'll be glad to write a letter about it to them, asking about it.  I'm no happier about this possibility of this sort of stuff than you are.

     You're right about Lincoln and habeas.  It was one of the things that made him greatly hated by many during his administration.  From this distance, we can love him safely now, and do, but I for one can understand the hate as well about an issue as powerful as this one.  The problems about habeas this time around started with The PATRIOT ACT, and seem to continue with it.  I know that many have found my continual harping on this bill to be upsetting, but it is a genuinely dangerous piece of legislation for the cause of freedom in this country, or so I believe, and it is one that seems to have a disturbingly high degree of support in both houses and on both sides of the aisle.  If it were simply a matter of this administration, I'd be relieved.  But the anti-democratic roots of this bill run deep.  Senator Lieberman was a sponsor and many Democrats voted for it.  The Republicans were for it overwhelmingly and the then President Bush was happy as a clam.

    President Obama, who should know better, hasn't tried to get it repealed.  If he tried, I think he might be lucky to get thrown out of office.  Or maybe it's my old paranoid 60's radical left wing bones acting up again, and now smoking has been proven to be bad for my health. Pfui!
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Bob, you are simply showing your bias against Fox news again, with facts disregarded and insults substituted instead. Fox news IS fair and balanced, regardless of how much you dislike it. If you were to watch it for a day, you would find a plethora of Democratic congressmen on it to express their views. If it were the monster you claim it is, they would not go near it. Are the talk shows right wing? Absolutely...but they are not Fox news. Are the talk shows of Maddow and Obermann left wing? Of course they are yet you complain about one and praise the other. This simply points out the bias on your part.

Sorry
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     No, Mike, I'm talking about the news that Fox News reports and refuses to report.

     Fox News viewers should have been informed that Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11, at least somewhere along the line.  Were Fox unbiased, Fox viewers would have been informed.  Fox viewers should have been informed that Saddam had nothing to do with Al Qaida.  Were Fox unbiased, fair and objective, they would have been.  If Fox were unbiased, Fox viewers would have been informed about the fact that there we no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.  Fox viewers were not so informed.  This is not a matter of talk show idiocy, this is a matter of news policy and of not correcting factual errors but perpetuating them for the political gain of the Right wing at the expense of misleading and even lying to the public.

     These are not errors of slant in the Op Ed page.  These are lies in fact on the news pages and during the tv and radio broadcasts from the networks.

     Many news sources make errors like this due to errors in their sources, but over time, as their reporters get better informed and as their sources get better, the facts they report become more accurate.  I have not noted this with Fox, though I am certainly willing to see and acknowledge any major examples that you or any other folks would care to point out.  I have no desire to paint Fox or anybody else as being better or worse than they are.  
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Actually, Bob, the phrase "blinding liberal" applies to those who feel that anyone who has views other than their own are racist, evil, and have no place amongst common society.
I speak of those who feel that the freedom of (their) speech is absolute, and that if you are of the conservative bent, then it is perfectly OK to scream at you, interrupt you, not allow you to finish a thought, or to stand in the middle of a forum that people paid money to listen to the speaker and scream, call them names, and throw things at them... yet, heaven forbid you tell them they are wrong.
I describe those who are willing to stand in your face and scream so loudly and out of control- spraying you with as much spittle as possible- that you are a racist who does not deserve to live because you feel that anyone who is in this country without the benefit of availing themselves of the federal immigration process is illegally in this country, and has broken the laws, and as such should not be afforded the protections afforded all legal citizens of this country.
Bob, it is the ones that will argue the point that hunting and meat eating is cruel and should not be permitted, and will punctuate their position by threatening physical harm upon those who participate in the legal, ethical, and moral process of feeding their families with leagally caught wild game. Those who will prove that peace is the best way to live by throwing a rock through your window, or by hitting with with a sign are the ones that I call blinding liberals.

If the liberal radio media is still a strong, viable industry, then I apologize for my mis-statement, and sincerely wish it well. It is only through the free and open exchange of ideas, without the constraints of governmental control- regardless of what they are, whithin the long-held acceptable language restrictions.
(the seven words you can never say on... *thank you Master Carlin)

Placing any constraints on free enterprise, whether it be restaurants, selling 2-handed green screw drivers, or radio chatter, is completely and totally unacceptable. If you want liberal media to thrive, then allow it to thrive on its own merits. The government has absolutely no business telling small business owners (in the case of locally owned radio), or station owners in general what they are required to play. If Prseident Obama, et. al. wish to control what radio stations are required to play, then- by all means- allow them to purchase their own station and do whatever the hell it is they wish to do.

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     Is chewing Alka Seltzer as refreshing as it sounds?  

     Oooh Mama!  And find me one of them "neat eaters."  I know they're legal, but simply figuring how they manage that trick would be worth the price of admission.  Doggies!  Let me at them fools!  Never have I heard of such terrible people a-fore in my life! No, sir, I have not.  You just let me at them suckers.

     Sounds like I'll need to pack extra towels, though, because you make them sound extra moist and juicy.

     Course, the Constitution says that the Feds are supposed to regulate interstate commerce, doesn't it?  And that sounds a powerful lot like putting restraints on free enterprise, you know?  Like when your coal operated power plant sends acid rain onto my crops here in my state and makes them die, and ruins the drinking water that I depend on, that simply requires a remedy, doesn't it?  And the constitution says that Engulf and Devour that Owns Rape & Pillage Power Oh The Horror of it! has to take some responsibility for that.  And that Engulf And Devour's food subsidiary, Yum-Yum Puckey Inc simply can't keep using the filler material it's been using to bring it's hot dogs up to fighting weight because the rats are going on strike and are demanding a cut for the use of their byproducts, which they'd like to market on their own under the name "Rat Nibblies" in Alabama and as "Tiny Deer" in China.  The FDA say's the the bacteria count is unsafe, and is saying that the product must be reformulated or will be taken off the market late  next year.  There you go again, interstate commerce, just a small part of the U.S. Constitution.

    The conservative's nightmare.

     It seems to say all those things that get in the way of the kinds of state that you'd like to have.

     Not to say that the kind of guy you've been talking about can't be or isn't a total pain in the neck.  I particularly hate the fine spray and the self-righteousness, though in my experience this seems fairly evenly emitted by ideologues on either side of the aisle.  But surely   sorry, I didn't mean top call you Shirley there is a special place for rigid left wing ideologues who have a charm all their own.  You ain't seen nothing, though, till you've seen the collisions of enormous Trotskyites and Stalinists in their native smoke filled rooms and meeting halls, wielding huge prehistoric compound words and accusations that have since lost all discernible meaning.  

     I shudder to think.

     "Revisionist Running Dog of the Capitalist Conspiracy."

     "Revanchist!"

     I confess, I never had the courage to ask exactly what a "revanchist" was, nor ever really cared all that much.  But the notion of being a "running dog' almost felt like something to aspire towards for a guy who'd been asthmatic all his life, and could get an asthma attack simply by walking into one of those silly smoke filled rooms.  Ah, to be able to run as athletically and as freely as some "running dog!"  Wow!

     Doesn't chewing Alka Seltzer make your tongue go all tingly?

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Freedom of speech should not be regulated through the interstate commerce clause or through federal mandates on local stations regarding ownership or content requirements. If someone believes that what is coming over the airwaves at them is harmful, all they need do is switch the station. Quite simple, really.
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Mister Bob,
Hey sorry for the delay in your reply on my transperancy claim against Obama.
I find if i don't make immediate notes in Word while reading your words, I forget them.
So these are kind of shotgun.  My rootbeer can is banging against this laptop as I type.
I said:  The first three attacks by Extremist Muslims weren't called a terrorist act.
And you questioned by Whom?
The Final report on the Fort Hood Massacre didn't mention one specific word,amazingly: Islam
or Muslim in the 80 page document.  That's pretty significant, as well as making the case
that political correctness killed 13 people, and post-event was still left uncorrected.

If an act is a Jihadist act, in its purest sense, the media MUST call it out.
You can't defend yourself against a thug by refusing to look at his face.
We've just been Sap-Slapped FOUR times in 1-1/2 years.
How many more will it take until liberals admit WHO is slapping them? (and the rest of us)
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     Indeed, The major does seem to fit right in, and the guy is responsible for his own actions.  I think he will probably be tried for them, as well.

     But of all those folks who afterwards came forward and said the guy was a bit on the odd side, I do wonder why there doesn't seem to have been any action taken from furtrher up the chain of command to get this guy some help.  It may have made no difference at all in the end; but on the other hand, it might have saved some lives, and if the major was as crazy as it seems he was, where were his superiors?

     You may have a hard time expecting a psychotic zealot to turn himself in by saying, Hey, by the way, I was just planning to mass murder some of my buddies.  Perhaps we might have some conversations about this rather interesting turn my musings have been taking op late?  Thoughts like this tend to be what the jargon characterizes as ego-syntonic, which means that they seem perfectly reasonable to the guy who's thinking them at the time, rather than ego-dystonic, which means disturbing and alien to the guy who's thinking them at the time.  He wouldn't feel they were strange enough to want to discuss them, or he'd feel that they were his and that they were good, but know that the army was really an enemy, so that they'd be the wrong folks to talk this sort of thing over with.

     The armed forces are supposed to be on top of this sort of thing.

     When they spot it, they aren't supposed to stick their heads in the sand and pretend iit isn't happening.  When it';s over, they aren't supposed to cover for each other so that nobody knows what the problem actually was or how far it went.

     That's simply my observation.

     Yeah, jihadi craziness was part of it.

     Not knowing how to deal with or talk about jihadi craziness or religious craziness in general is another part of it.

     The amount of damage done by extremist Muslims may be large, but I think the amount of damage we've inflicted on ourselves and our liberties by our over-reaction to muslim extremists may be far larger.

 
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