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We have dodged two recent bullets....tha attempted Christmas Day bombing of an airliner by Farouk AbdulMutallab and the attempted New York city bombing of days ago. In both cases, the bombs failed to go off properly, Had they gone off hundreds of people woulf have died in each situation. I realize that completely preventing these attempts would be a labor of Hercules but they didn't happen when Bush was in office. Yes, Richard Reid attempted his own airplane bombing, which was also bungled while Bush was still President but as a lame duck, with Obama having already won the election.

We had better stop relying on luck and inept bombers to avoid terrorists attacks.
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I hope our luck doesn't run out.
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Security slip let suspect on plane, near takeoff

WASHINGTON – The no-fly list failed to keep the Times Square suspect off the plane. Faisal Shahzad  had boarded a jetliner bound for the United Arab Emirates Monday night before federal authorities pulled him back.

The night's events, gradually coming to light, underscored the flaws in the nation's aviation security system, which despite its technologies, lists and information sharing, often comes down to someone making a right call.

As federal agents closed in, Faisal Shahzad was aboard Emirates Flight 202. He reserved a ticket on the way to John F. Kennedy International Airport, paid cash on arrival and walked through security without being stopped. By the time Customs and Border Protection officials spotted Shahzad's name on the passenger list and recognized him as the bombing suspect they were looking for, he was in his seat and the plane was preparing to leave the gate.

But it didn't. At the last minute, the pilot was notified, the jetliner's door was opened and Shahzad was taken into custody.

he Obama administration played down the fact that Shahzad, a U.S. citizen born in Pakistan, had made it aboard the plane. Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano  wouldn't talk about it, other than to say Customs officials prevented the plane from taking off. White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said the security system has fallback procedures in place for times like this, and they worked.

And Attorney General Eric Holder said he "was never in any fear that we were in danger of losing him."

The reliance on airlines to check government lists has been a known problem for years. The government has long planned to take over the responsibility for matching passengers to watch lists, but the transition has taken longer than expected. The new program is still in the test phase for domestic airlines and is still months away from beginning with international carriers.
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WASHINGTON – The no-fly list failed to keep the Times Square suspect off the plane.


It's simple. We ask those who are Tea Partiers to man the lists...I know for a FACT there will be tighter vigilance of who clears what lane.

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"Imagine you are tasked with finding the perpetrator [in the Times Square bombing attempt]. Where do you start your investigation? Do you start with: (A) a right-winger opposed to the health bill; (B) a Swedish grandmother upset at losing the ticket lottery for 'Next to Normal'; or (C) a radical Muslim trying to kill Americans?" --columnist Ben Shapiro

Actually, there are people disappointed that it was a Muslim. They would have much rather preferred him to be a right-wing tea-partyer, enraged by talk radio.

"I get frustrated and there was part of me that was hoping this was not going to be anybody with ties to any kind of Islamic country" --MSNBC host Contessa Brewer on the Times Square attempted bomber
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And of course the liberals are quick to slander the Tea Parties as possibly involved:
http://dailycaller.com/2010/05/04/liberals-accuse-tea-partiers-of-role-in-failed-times-square-car-bomb-attack/
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WASHINGTON – Law enforcement officials decided not to call all airlines directly on Monday to tell them an important name had been added to the government's "no-fly" list, even as investigators pursued the man they suspected was the Times Square bomber.

Emirates airlines apparently didn't notice the notification from the Transportation Security Administration that there was an addition to the list, and Faisal Shahzad boarded a Mideast-bound jetliner before federal authorities pulled him off and arrested him. On Wednesday, the government issued a new requirement for airlines to check the no-fly list more often, a move aimed at closing that security gap in future cases of terror suspects.

But officials could have called all the airlines themselves in such a critical situation — they've done it before.


Yes, and I'm sure it was under Bush. It would be good for Obama to take notes. Luck will not hold out forever.
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Just keeping score here:

We've had four acts of Islamic terrorism SINCE Obama took office.

NONE of which were thwarted by the Government.
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     And the odds are we will have more.

     To my mind the Oil Spill by BP has dwarfed them all in terms of damage to the country and the economy and quite possibly to the people.  We lost 11 in the initial fire, but we have no idea how many will die as a result of the long term environmental damages from pollution in the air and water tables and from poisoning the fish and wildlife.  It should be important to keep epidemiological records of cancer rates and the rates of other illnesses along the affected areas of the country over the next 50 years or so, don't you think?
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      In reference to Denise's comments about Liberal slanders, I think she may have something of a point.  The way I see it, though, is a variety of left-wing profiling, a sort of looking for trouble in the places where you expect to find it kind of thing.  It's no more sensible that right-wing profiling, to my mind, and takes people's minds off what the evidence is, and what looking at the evidence can tell us.

     Historically, I'm told, there were two different approaches used to forecast the weather leading up to the Normandy invasion.  One was the American style, which looked at the approach of fronts, and of high pressure areas and low pressure areas, and the movement of winds and various other stuff of that sort.  The other was the English style of that era, which was to look at the historical data and do a statistical analysis of that to determine what the likelihood was of what weather on any specific day.  The English weather forecasting was the more accurate of the two at that time, and correctly predicted a break in the stormy weather for June 6th, 1944.

     That is like profiling, I think.  

     The better system these days is the American system of weather forecasting.  With better data, our accuracy is much higher because we can actually see what's happening and we have a better idea of how the overall system fits together.  I think that's a good approach to tracking down criminals; there's more science to it, for my money.

     A liberal like myself is as easily blinded as anybody else, truth be told, when the area of judgement involves our prejudices.  And knowing that is not always as helpful as it should be, though recognizing my own foolishness is always more instructive than recognizing anybody else's.

     Sorry, then, Denise, for finding yourself caught up in a net of Liberal profiling and stereotyping.  Mayor Bloomberg, for all it's worth, is a Republican, though he certainly shares some liberal perspectives.  I'm sorry as well that you're finding yourself on the receiving end of the profiling and stereotyping.  I know it's terribly uncomfortable.
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Not even a good effort to change the subject, Bob. Surely you can do better.

Saying terrorists attacks are dwarfed by the oil spill is meaningless. Perhaps when the twin towers went down with losses in the thousands, you would have said "...but the amount of deaths due to cancer dwarfs that event"?

Yes, there will be more attempts, not a comforting thought. No doubt there were attempts during those eight dark years of the Bush administration..but it wasn't incredible good luck that prevented them. I know you don't like to be reminded of that but we have escaped two potentially disastrous events in the past six months through no effort of our own and Obama had better step up with a little more concentrated effort with regards to national defense because, should a disaster occur, it will be finally something he won't be able to blame on Bush.
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Yes, Richard Reid attempted his own airplane bombing, which was also bungled while Bush was still President but as a lame duck, with Obama having already won the election.



I had suspected that I had somehow fallen through a crack in the space-time continuum into a parallel universe when I read this statement -- but, alas -- a simple Google search revealed that I had not, and it was, perhaps Mike who is from another world since Reid's attempt was, indeed, Dec. 22, 2001.  At which point I don't think America had much even heard of Barack Obama, let alone elected him President.

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Yes, and I'm sure it was under Bush. It would be good for Obama to take notes. Luck will not hold out forever.



Note -- the BUSH era No-Fly-List policy is being changed -- which we can believe in:

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The Department of Homeland Security is changing its no-fly list update policies to prevent a repeat of what happened Monday, when the suspect in the Times Square attempted bombing was allowed to board a plane despite his name being on the no-fly list, a DHS official told CNN Wednesday.

The official said the Transportation Security Administration will require airlines to check the no-fly list within two hours of being electronically notified of additions or changes. Previously, airlines were required to re-check the list within 24 hours.
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/05/05/dhs-changing-no-fly-list-policies-after-times-square-incident/



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We've had four acts of Islamic terrorism SINCE Obama took office.

NONE of which were thwarted by the Government.



Well, okay, if you're keeping score -- are you going to count the BIG ONE -- 9/11?  Or are you just counting SINCE 9/11?  If so -- in the BUSH column you'll need to tally these:

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The anthrax scare. Shortly after 9/11, letters laced with anthrax began appearing in the U.S. mail. Letters went to U.S. senators and news organizations. Before it was over, five Americans were killed and another 17 were injured. "The nation was terrorized in what became the worst biological attacks in U.S. history," according to the FBI.

The shoe bomber. In December 2001, admitted al-Qaida member Richard Reid boarded a plane in Miami with plastic explosives packed in special hollowed-out shoes. The bomb failed to ignite properly and no passengers were hurt. The incident, however, led to Americans having to remove their shoes during airport security screening.

The D.C. sniper case. John Allen Muhammad was convicted on capital terrorism charges for his part in the shooting of 16 people in and around the D.C. area in September and October 2002. Muhammad was executed last year. His 17-year-old accomplice, Lee Boyd Malvo, was sentenced to life in prison.

All three events occurred after Sept. 11 and have been considered terror plots by the federal and state governments.

Media Matters For America, a liberal group that analyzes the news media, documented other examples of U.S. terrorism:

2002 attack against El Al ticket counter at LAX. Hesham Mohamed Hadayet opened fire at an El Al Airlines ticket counter at Los Angeles International Airport, killing two people and wounding four others before being shot dead. Media Matters found a 2004 Justice Department report that Hadayet's case had been "officially designated as an act of international terrorism."

Campus attack at UNC. In March 2006, a University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill graduate drove an SUV onto campus, striking nine pedestrians. Reza Taheri-azar reportedly stated in a letter: "I was aiming to follow in the footsteps of one of my role models, Mohammad Atta, one of the 9/11/01 hijackers, who obtained a doctorate degree."
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/jan/08/rudy-giuliani/giuliani-says-there-were-no-domestic-attacks-durin/



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Actually, there are people disappointed that it was a Muslim. They would have much rather preferred him to be a right-wing tea-partyer, enraged by talk radio.

"I get frustrated and there was part of me that was hoping this was not going to be anybody with ties to any kind of Islamic country" --MSNBC host Contessa Brewer on the Times Square attempted bomber



And you leap to this conclusion Mike because in your mind no one hates America as much as Islamic Extremists and Tea-Partiers?

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Yes, I misspoke about Reid with the dates. My error. Thank you for pointing it out in such a gentlemanly manner.

And you leap to this conclusion Mike because in your mind no one hates America as much as Islamic Extremists and Tea-Partiers?

Not exactly, more like no one hates tea-partiers more than the Left. They would LOVE to be able to tie tea-partiers or those "incensed and driven into a wild frenzy like rabid dogs" by conservative talk radio, to a terrorist act. The idiotic gov of NY was even willing to bet people it was not a Muslim involerd in the batched bombing.

If this had not been a muslim, I have little doubt Obama would be calling for the dismantling of all tea-party organizations in the name of national security.
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CONTESSA BREWER: I mean the thing is that- and I get frustrated and there was part of me that was hoping this was not going to be anybody with ties to any kind of Islamic country because there are a lot of people who want to use terrorist intent to justify writing off people who believe in a certain way or come from certain countries or whose skin color is a certain way. I mean they use it as justification for really outdated bigotry.

I agree with her, the fact that he was Islamic isn’t a good thing for all the non-violent Americans who just happen to be Islamic who are now likely to be treated differently by some sections of American society. Unfortunately that’s probably unavoidable.

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Which presents the question...who WAS she hoping it would be?
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Asked as one who believes there are only two alternatives....  interesting opinion you have of the Tea Party Mike.
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There can be an infinite number of alternatives, LR, not to rain on your cuteness. She had hoped it wouldn't be that group. Who, then?
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Someone else.

An infinite number of alternatives.  
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I see...and you can honestly say that, if the perpetrator were, instead if an Islamist, some white guy from Kansas, the administration would not try to spin it as either a tea-partier or someone whose mind was poisoned by talk radio?

You know, willing to admit it or not, the administration is trying anything to discredit the tea party movement. WOuld they lie or spead false rumors to achieve that goal? In a heartbeat...

Getting back to the topic, that's two new misses in six months. Obama would do better to give the tea party less attention and our actual enemies more. He's living on luck now. When it runs out, so will his presidency.
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I see...and you can honestly say that, if the perpetrator were, instead if an Islamist, some white guy from Kansas, the administration would not try to spin it as either a te-partier or someone whose mind was poisoned by talk radio?



OK... I'm game Mike -- we've had a recent example with Hutaree.  Find an example please of how the administration has tried to spin them as Tea Partiers.

Or are you conflating the administration with Eleanor Guisti?

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SAN FRANCISCO  - Gregory Giusti, charged with making threatening calls to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, cried Thursday during his first court appearance.

The suspect's mom, Eleanor Giusti, said her son may have gotten worked up over health care reform listening to Fox News.

"Greg frequently gets in with a group of people that have really radical ideas ... which gets him into problems," she told KGO-TV. "I say Fox News, or all of those that are really radical, and he, that's where he comes from."

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2010/04/09/2010-04-09_faults_fox_for_sons_pelosi_threats.html#ixzz0nCfHEFyT



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You know, willing to admit it or not, the administration is trying anything to discredit the tea party movement. WOuld they lie or spead false rumors to achieve that goal. In a heartbeat...



Projecting Mike?

What is as obvious as the day is long is that you're grasping at anything to discredit the Obama administration.
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One does not need to grasp to discredit the Obama administration. They do a good job of it themselves by their actions.
 
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