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Forget those tea-baggers!  If you want to protest with violence, learn from the experts.  They make the tea party look like a, well, tea party.  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEgZzBKfJLE&feature=player_embedded  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p48INNGtXh4&feature=related  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXY1oFMxFaU&feature=related
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The mainstream media characterizes the protests as mostly peaceful after spending months characterizing, as did the Democratic political machine, the Tea Parties as racist, potentially violent and inciting hatred. But of this they say nothing:

http://michellemalkin.com/
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True enough. They are barely mentioned in the lamestream media. It boggles the mind to think of the coverage they would have gotten had they been tea-partiers!

Don't they realize how their bias and one-sidedness is shown so clearly in situations like this??
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"Now suddenly if you don't have your papers, and you took your kid out to get ice cream, you're going to get harassed — that's something that could potentially happen," Obama said of the Arizona measure. "That's not the right way to go."

Obama has  either not read the bill or thinks the American people are idiots. He's probably right....as least those who follow him.
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hmmmm...where are all of the anti-violence, anti-dangerous people? Where did they go? Where is the tearful Pelosi, speaking of how dangerous rhetoric reminds her of the 60's and how she is so fearful for the country? WHere is Clinton warning that such activity could provoke another Oklahoma City? Where is the press with their coverage? Surely near riots, throwing objects at police, violence threats and anti-racial posters and accusations should rate at least a second or two on the news, wouldn't one think? Where are the people here, claiming that saying LIAR to Obama is inciteful of violence but have n othing to say of violence in the streets and beaning cops with bottles?

The hypocrisy is overwhelming....and glaring.
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It's absolutely nauseating. The silence now is deafening.
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– The  government will bar foreigners if they upset “the equilibrium of the national demographics.”

– If outsiders do not enhance the country’s “economic or national interests” or are “not found to be physically or mentally healthy,” they are not welcome. Neither are those who show “contempt against national sovereignty or security.” They must not be economic burdens on society and must have clean criminal histories. Those seeking to obtain  citizenship must show a birth certificate, provide a bank statement proving economic independence, pass an exam and prove they can provide their own health care.

– Illegal entry into the country is equivalent to a felony punishable by two years’ imprisonment. Document fraud is subject to fine and imprisonment; so is alien marriage fraud. Evading deportation is a serious crime; illegal re-entry after deportation is punishable by ten years’ imprisonment. Foreigners may be kicked out of the country without due process.

– Law enforcement officials at all levels — by national mandate — must cooperate to enforce immigration laws, including illegal alien arrests and deportations. The  military is also required to assist in immigration enforcement operations. Native-borns are empowered to make citizens’ arrests of illegal aliens and turn them in to authorities.

- A National Population Registry tracks and verifies the identity of every member of the population, who must carry a citizens’ identity card. Visitors who do not possess proper documents and identification are subject to arrest as illegal aliens.

All of these provisions are enshrined in Mexico’s Ley General de Población (General Law of the Population)

So what does Mexico say with regards to Arizona's law??

Mexican President Felipe Calderon has accused Arizona of opening the door “to intolerance, hate, discrimination and abuse in law enforcement.”

Not making this stuff up, folks.

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"President Obama called the Arizona [immigration] law misguided. What's misguided, Mr. President, is the federal government's ongoing refusal to enforce the laws that are already on the books. Read the Arizona law. Parts of it are word-for-word the same as the federal statutes which continue to be all but ignored." --CNN's Jack Cafferty

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Why is it only the conservatives posting in this thread?

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What surprizes me is the continuing
argument about illegals being needed
to do jobs Americans won't, (or don't want to), do,
this during 10% unemployment . . .

I see Mike beat me to the National Review article.

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You know why, Ringo.

Two examples of beyond hilarious...

(1) People are threatening to boycott Arizona Iced Tea....which is made in New York!

(2)"Law Makes it a Crime to be Illegal Immigrant." --MSNBC on-screen caption --

So it took a law to make something illegal a crime??? Thank you, MSNBC. We had no idea!!!!

"It's now gone beyond protest to threats of a boycott, as Arizona becomes a laughing stock to some." --NBC's Andrea Mitchell

No, Andrea. It is YOU and your fellow journalists who are  the laughing stock.
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It's not just Mexico, though. The laws are really wacked-out to an extent that things get cloudy.

For example: A Cuban who just flew in to the states on a visitors visa can state upon landing at the airport that he wants to be an immigrant.

He can't legally work until he establishes residency in one year from the date of process, but he qualifies for food stamps and medical care upon process. But he does have to pay $1500 (I think that's correct) for his residency once the year is up. Mmm...how do we think he will pay for that?
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Obama and the democrats are doing exactly what they, and people here, are accusing the tea-partiers of doing. He is inciting fear and fueling violence against the Arizona government. He is protesting the enforcement of laws that have been on the books for years. He paints scenarios of fathers taking their children out for ice cream, only to be manhandled by police. His rhetoric is fueling boycotts, causing mobs to take to the streets and throw rocks and bottles at the police. He is using the same tactics he used when working for ACORN, which is understandable since that is his main experience.

It is of little doubt Obama has a low opinion of police departments. Is it because he is black? Could be...and that WOULD make this a racial incident. When police responded to a possible burglary call and questioned a black professor about his identification, Obama call the police "stupid". Now, with Arizona planning to enforce laws dealing with the same illegal immigration that he has done nothing about, he paints scenarios of how the police will abuse these powers to the extent minorities will not be safe to walk down the street, not even for ice cream. Obama has little respect for the police and it keeps showing itself.

He has nothing to say about the mob rule happening in Arizona. Why? Because he endorses it. He wants it to continue. He wants to be the "champion" of the illegals and get those Latin votes in November.

He has a battle in front of him. Texas, Utah, Ohio and several other states are planning to follow Arizona's lead with their own illegal immigration laws. Instead for fighting for the country he is supposed to be protecting, he will be fighting against it....and, undoubtedly, doing it "in the name of the American people".

All the while, he and Pelosi will be appealing to the tea-partiers not to create situations of unrest. How about that. sports fans?
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     Violent demonstrations are wrong, no matter who does them.  That includes Left Wing demonstrations in Arizona.  I think throwing rocks at the police is ugly and wrong.  The  Police are victims of an ugly and, in my opinion, racist law as much as anybody else in this situation.  There is no way the police can enforce a law like this, and having the police forced to be targets for the rage of protestors is wrong as well.  It only confuses the issue.  
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Of course they can enforce it

There is nothing new about having to right to ask for identification. There is reasonable search and seizure which does not require a warrant. If you are stopped for speeding, you are asked for identification. If you apply for a credit card, you are asked for identification. If you buy an airline ticket you are asked for identification. There are literally hundreds of situations where you are asked for identification. The cruz of this bill is "reasonable doubt". It is up to the police to have that reasonable doubt but they are not the last word. As in the case of searches, it is ultimately up to the judge to determine whether "reasonable" applies or not. Police cannot simply stop anyone they want and demand identification for no reason. They would have to answer for those actions. Obama's example of the man taking his children out for ice cream is ludicrous and infantile.

Arizona's  crime rate has soared to epidemic proportions, due to the illegal alien influx. They are doing something about it. Bush did nothing. Obama has done nothing so they are doing it themselves and 70% of the population approves of it. Obama should mind his own business if he doesn't want to be part of the solution, which he has shown no desire to be.

If you are one of the group who would say, "You want to question ME???", then you will not like the law. If you are a resident who knows that the law enforcement actions are designed to ultimately protect your property and you, personally, you will smile and say, "Here, officer." as you show your i.d.

Who will like the law least of all? The illegal aliens...what a surprise.
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I think there is a conflation being made here between 'lefty' and a specific group of  protesters, who are politically diverse -- but find themselves united against a particularly racist and unconstitutional piece of legislation.

The Latino community only identifies with the Democratic Party, for instance, in around the 48% range as shown in this study done by the University of Notre Dame  While only about 6% say they identify with the Republican Party 31% voted for McCain in 2008.

The immigration issue cuts down the middle of the left and the right.  Reactions to AZ SB1070, however, do take a slant left with the left seemingly united against it and the right divided.


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I think there is a conflation being made here between 'lefty' and a specific group of  protesters, who are politically diverse -- but find themselves united against a particularly racist and unconstitutional piece of legislation.

You mean like the conflation being made between "righty" and a specific group of protesters (tea-baggers) who are politically diverse but find themselves united against what they consider to be unconstitutional actions by the current administration? If you don't think these riots are left-motivated and left-supported, you're fooling yourself.

Would you be kind enough to point out where the piece of legislation is unconstitutional? If it is, Obama has no problem at all. He simply has to declare it unconstitutional, show where, and scrap it. Why hasn't he done that?

While you're at it, please show where it is particularly racist?
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Arizona's  crime rate has soared to epidemic proportions, due to the illegal alien influx.



To whom are you referring in this statement Mike?  The illegal Irish immigrants? If so, how are we to reasonably suspect they are in this country illegally?  (Not to mention the illegal Eastern European immigrants or those Kanucks?)

Or were you referring to someone else?  If so, who?  And exactly how are we to determine reasonable suspicion?  By their shoes?

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By now you may have heard about a controversial immigration law passed in Arizona that makes it a crime under state law to be in the country illegally.

The law grants police the power to stop and verify the immigration status of anyone they suspect of being illegal. The measure was criticized Friday by President Barack Obama, who asked the Justice Department to research the law.

It sounded to the Law Blog like we were heading toward a big federalism showdown. So we turned to Karl Manheim of Loyola Law School in Los Angeles and Erwin Chemerinsky of UC Irvine Law to pregame it for us. Their response: the law is DOA.

The Arizona law appears to be facially unconstitutional, Manheim said. States have no power to pass immigration laws because its an attribute of foreign affairs. Just as states cant have their own foreign policies or enter into treaties, they cant have their own immigration laws either.

States have long attempted to regulate immigration and in some instances the federal government successfully challenged state laws in court, including in the 1800s, Manheim said.
http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2010/04/23/law-profs-on-arizona-immigration-bill-its-unconstitutional/



Since we're talking Tea Party though -- let's hear from the Tea Party favorite, and it's defacto-Senator Marco Rubio -- who is also a Latino:

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States certainly have the right to enact policies to protect their citizens, but Arizonas policy shows the difficulty and limitations of states trying to act piecemeal to solve what is a serious federal problem.  From what I have read in news reports, I do have concerns about this legislation.  While I dont believe Arizonas policy was based on anything other than trying to get a handle on our broken borders, I think aspects of the law, especially that dealing with reasonable suspicion, are going to put our law enforcement officers in an incredibly difficult position.  It could also unreasonably single out people who are here legally, including many American citizens.  Throughout American history and throughout this administration we have seen that when government is given an inch it takes a mile.
http://blogs.tampabay.com/buzz/2010/04/marco-rubio-speaks-out-on-az-immigration-law.html



So then, these protests in Arizona ARE Tea Party protests!
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LOL! Believe me, quoting Mark Rubio puts you in my neck of the woods. In the first place, Rubio is not a tea-party force. In the second, with that statement he just made he is seeing his chances of being elected hitting a very large bump in the road.
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To whom are you referring in this statement Mike?  The illegal Irish immigrants?

Of course! Who else could I be referring to? (except for maybe the 450,000 illegals from Mexico, that little place on the other side of the border)
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“States have no power to pass immigration laws because it’s an attribute of foreign affairs. Just as states can’t have their own foreign policies or enter into treaties, they can’t have their own immigration laws either.”

I see. So an illegal alien, climbing a fence or sneaking into the country against our laws is "foreign policy" or an "immigration" situation????? Maybe the could claim diplomatic immunity when caught kidnapping someone.

But federal governments often stay out of the fight. In 1994, for example, California voters passed a law designed to deny social services to undocumented aliens. The law was challenged by private litigants and struck down by a federal court.

Whih goes to show how idiotic federal courts can be, nothing more. The court decreed that people wo are not even supposed to be here, and are here illegally, are entitled to social services...brilliant.

Manheim said the Obama Administration, which is in the midst of trying to pass a federal immigration reform law,

Oh, really????
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In the first place, Rubio is not a tea-party force.



Gee Mike, imagine how disappointed the Tea Party is to hear you say that when they're taking credit for his toppling of Charlie Crist -- and pointing to his heritage to bolster their claims that the Tea Party is diverse!

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The loose confederation of disaffected voters known as the Tea Party movement has emerged as a force in U.S. politics. The Tea Partys connection with Latinos illustrates the widespread stereotypes about the nations largest minority group: a Hispanic is the Tea Partys presumptive leadereven as a recent poll suggests many Latinos dont even know the movement exists.

The First Senator from the Tea Party? asked a New York Times Magazine cover story in January. The article featured Marco Rubio, the U.S.-born son of Cuban exiles and a former Florida state legislator who many have anointed the heir apparent of the Tea Party movement.

Rubios conservative ideology, a staple of Miamis Cuban exile community, has fired the imagination of Tea Party supporters. Rubios Hispanic heritage has not hurt him either. In a movement whose rallies reflect all the diversity of a NASCAR event, the Tea Party faithful seem eager to endorse someone who adds some color to their monochrome faction (although most Americans would be hard pressed to identify Rubio as a Latino based on his appearance).
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A recent survey by The Field Poll reported only 41% of Latinos in California had ever heard of the Tea Party and only 5% of Hispanics identify with the movement. In contrast, 72% of the Non-Hispanic Whites polled were aware of the Tea Party movement and 35% of them identified at least somewhat with its issues. Of course, were this poll taken in Florida where Marco Rubio enjoys wide support, the results would likelycould be vastly different. The take-away here is that Hispanic communities differ widely across the nationa fact seemingly lost on many political experts.

What does all this prove? The Latino connection with the Tea Party phenomenon illuminates the pitfalls of equating political affiliation with ethnicityespecially for Latinos.
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/ne ws_hispanicaffairs/2010/03/the-tea-party-and-latinos-a-lesson-in-political-diversity.html/comment-page-1



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with that statement he just made he is seeing his chances of being elected hitting a very large bump in the road.



Great! So you're voting for Kendrick instead?

Ready to throw Jeb under the bus too?

quote:

"I think it creates unintended consequences," he said in a telephone interview with POLITICO Tuesday. "It's difficult for me to imagine how you're going to enforce this law. It places a significant burden on local law enforcement and you have civil liberties issues that are significant as well."

The measure, signed into law last Friday, would require police to check the immigration status of any individuals they reasonably suspect are illegal immigrants and arrest them if they can't prove legal status.

Bush said he understood the anger that prompted the bill, but that immigration should remain a federal issue.

"I don't think this is the proper approach," he said.

The former governor recounted how, after he gave a speech Monday night in California, he was approached by a Hispanic man who was concerned about the measure leading to racial profiling and unfair targeting of Latinos.

"He said, 'My parents live here, my grandparents live here I'm Mexican-American,'" Bush recalled, adding that the man said, "'I could be picked up.'"

Like his brother the former president, Bush is a supporter of comprehensive immigration reform. He said the new law underscores the necessity for such federal legislation what he called "an opportunity not a problem." On Thursday, Bush will join other conservative leaders on an open-press conference call to renew the push for the stalled legislation.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0410/36427.html#ixzz0mRw8YiC7



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except for maybe the 450,000 illegals from Mexico



Ah -- so you are going to identify them by their Sombreros?

RE: post 20 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_preemption

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Reb, you can come up with any articles you want. I live here. Don't believe everything you read. Right now the tea-partiers are screaming for his hide.

Who else to vote for? We fully expect for Crist to announce running as an independent. If he does, he will win.
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"Manheim said the Obama Administration, which is in the midst of trying to pass a federal immigration reform law,"

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ABOARD AIR FORCE ONE (AP) — President Obama said Wednesday that there "may not be an appetite" in Congress to deal with immigration immediately after going through a tough legislative year.

Obama said that there's work to do on energy legislation, midterm elections are coming up and he doesn't want to do something "just for the sake of politics." He said he hopes to get a working group together to solve a wide range of issues on immigration in a way that can garner the support of the American people.

"We've gone though a very tough year and I've been working Congress very hard, so I know there may not be an appetite immediately to dive into another controversial issue," the president told reporters aboard Air Force One returning with him to Washington from a Midwest trip.
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Well, so much for that.......
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So let me get this straight...

At a time that crime rates are soaring in border towns (El Paso, being one of the deadliest towns in the world), with states rebelling against the government's unwillingness to do anything about it, with the unemployment at the highest in decades, with illegal aliens draining social service budgets, with terrorists groups threatening violence in the United States.....Obama doesn't want to bother congress with securing borders or dealing with illegal immigration this year because it is "too controversial" and congress has been working very hard this year.

Perhaps we should just give congress the rest of the year off or, better yet, perhaps we should give them the rest of their political lives off.
 
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