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Allen West speaking at Ft. Lauderdale Tea Party:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8WaQsDRv1c

Is he in your District, Michael?
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I had another great Tea Party experience today, The Independence Hall Tea Party, across the square from Independence Hall where the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution were drafted!

What an inspiration and honor it was to view the very building where it all began and stand on that hallowed ground and remember the courageous founders who pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor to create the greatest form of government in the history of mankind! I think we too often take it all for granted.
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Shades of the Bush Dynasty - The Baggers bring back “Free Speech Zones”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUmo-hfIVKA
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I envy you, Denise. Sounds like you had a wonderful time!
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I did, Michael. Thanks!

Here are some video clips of some of the speakers yesterday. In the first clip you can glimpse a portion of Independence Hall in the background, and the second clip features the guy running in my district whom I intend to vote for:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3CfgXfubOs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wuIx0iDVj8&feature=youtu.be&a
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j--cIrd-U7M&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBumzqomA4w&feature=player_embedded
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And a few words from the Community Organizer in Chief and some Kansas City Tea Party folks:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INufU69wrSs&feature=player_embedded
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Sonnie Johnson, President of the Virginia Chapter of the Fredrick Douglass Foundation at the Roanoke Tea Party:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5mCDNbgIjA&feature=player_embedded#at=15
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Cdb1I9w6n8&NR=1

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Tea Party Crasher - Deprogramming Program http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypsCZORFljE
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http://article.nationalreview.com/431899/democrats-hate-that-tea-parties-are-peaceful/mona-charen
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http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=LO2eh6f5Go0
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Obama's First Year

GOLF: 29 rounds of golf
• Most frequent courses: Fort Belvoir 11 times; Andrews AFB: 8 times.
• George W. Bush played golf 7 times his first year.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-6119525-503544.html?tag=cbsnewsMainColumnArea


http://www.youtube.com/politizoid#p/u/1/f-aZPRUvkbw
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I'll have to check out the videos when I get home Micheal. My computer at work doesn't load them very easily.

I thought this was another good article:

Complicating the task of the journalist is that fact that, like snowflakes and fingerprints, no two tea parties are alike. My daughter Celia Farber, a writer whose work has reached the front cover of magazines like Esquire and Harpers, attended the New York Tea Party on April 15. Here's part of her report.

"I wanted to go see for myself rather than rely on quasi-hysterical media depictions. I was moved. Everybody was smiling, and there was a very uplifting feeling in the crowd. I felt no hate at all, nothing extremist or menacing. I felt uplifted and hopeful. I went with no pre-conceptions. Everybody was warm and welcoming. The left is making a big mistake disparaging these people."

When asked if minority Americans were there, Celia saved a lot of words by stating simply, "Yes. It was the same mix of people you see on the New York subway." Was it a hate-Obama rally? "No way," insists Celia. "That's a red herring. It was much more a protest against the countless violations of liberty in recent years, culminating with the banking bailout and the health-care reform bill."


http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=143197
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"QUEERLY BELOVED" - the title of another wnd article. The baggers are gonna love that witty little slur.

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http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Sections/TVNews/MSNBC%
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Nice article, Denise. Yes, when people get over the hate mongering of the lame stream media and want to see for themselves instead of accepting the brainwashing tactics of the left, they are pleasantly surprised at the civility and class shown by the participants.
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Yeah, all the rhetoric is straight out of the Dem play book: the state controlled media, Clinton, Peolosi, various other congress people and senators, even the President and a few of his spokespeople.

Here's a good sign:
http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/photo.php?pid=3841529&id=6333396177
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LOLOL!!! That sign say it all!
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Yeah, I thought it was one of the funniest I have seen yet!

Here's an article I thought was good:

Are you reminded of anything in particular by our current government's practice of ruthlessly assailing any and all who criticize it, resulting in people's reluctance to speak out against same? If so, does this alarm or even frighten you?

It damn well should …

Recently, progressive operatives (members of Congress, activists, the establishment press and other far-left elites) have cautioned that those who oppose the Obama administration's policies (the tea-party activists foremost among them) are creating a climate that has the potential to give rise to violence and even domestic terrorism. The admonitions are patently absurd, but these parties are banking on believers in their cause and less-informed Americans who can't or won't investigate the accusations to determine their veracity. They have charged talk radio and other conservative media similarly, and have even floated the concept of regulating the Internet.

All of this is calculated to silence those who disagree with them – nothing less. From the baseless allegations of hostile tendencies and designs, to their reflexive, non sequitur accusations of racism and homophobia, these tactics are the stuff of totalitarian regimes, not representative republics.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=143717

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     What it is is the Left taking advantage of Free Speech to identify what it sees and to call it as it sees it.  No wonder the Radical Right is upset.  They've never done well with having to operate in the light.

[This message has been edited by Bob K (04-22-2010 07:23 PM).]

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So the Left's attempts to chill the free speech of the other side is simply characterized as their using their free speech, Bob? The Left holds all the power at the moment and they are abusing that power by their morally bankrupt tactics.
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I absolutely agree with you, Denise.

On the other hand, lest someone think you sound a tad too righteous, we should also remember that your side of the fence did pretty much the same thing a few years back. Remember when any criticism of the Bush administration was aiding and abetting the terrorists? When anything except unquestioned support of the war(s) was characterized as demoralizing our soldiers? From where I sit, the tactics seem much the same and the goals nearly identical.
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Yep, and back then it was the Democrats carrying the Kill Bush signs in parades and marching, unconcerned about the "threatening rhetoric" and "incitement to violence", which they now label the tea-partiers as doing.

Ya just can't tell the players without a score card.
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quote:

All of this is calculated to silence those who disagree with them – nothing less. From the baseless allegations of hostile tendencies and designs, to their reflexive, non sequitur accusations of racism and homophobia, these tactics are the stuff of totalitarian regimes, not representative republics.



     I was responding to this quotation.

     I fail to see how saying that watching demonstrators walk around with guns, or seeing congressmen make comments about how the government is responsible for blowing up the building in Oklahoma City is anything other than provocative.  If fail to see that this sort of rhetoric is useful under these circumstances.  

     I am unhappy about seeing armed folks at any demonstration, and that includes police and national guardsmen.  But most especially that includes the demonstrators themselves, no matter what their politics.  I have trouble believing that there are any demonstrations anyplace where the presence of firearms makes the conversation calmer and more relaxed.  The very presence of a firearm is a danger and a threat.  It is a weapon.

     I support the right of people to own them, but they should not be a part of a political discussion.  

     If somebody is not aware of the message of hostility that carrying a weapon conveys in any gathering, they probably should be considered dangerous because of a defect in reality testing.  Some folks, through preference or necessity, hunt for food, but it is doubtful they do so on the sidewalks of a city or through the publicly trafficked areas of a national or state park.

     Allegations that such folks are acting in a hostile fashion seem to me to be acknowledgement of reality.  The presence of firearms does not open the range of discussion, after all, except for those who are armed and who feel their opinions are given extra weight by that fact.

     Discussions of homophobia and racism are, in practice, almost always non-sequiturs.  The subjects are such that folks who are homophobic and racist only open them  when they believe that the climate is favorable and sympathetic.  They have no desire at all to have the subjects raised in any venue when it brings up the least discomfort for them.  However when folks call Congressmen, such as Barney Frank, "Barney F-G," and the like, I guess I'd have to say that Gay bashing and Homophobia really are — or should be, at any rate — part of the discussion.  And when members of the Black Caucus are spat upon publicly, there too, I guess that racism has made itself part of the discussion.  They are very much part of the ongoing flow of events.  They do follow.  They are not non-sequators, and those who would claim otherwise are indulging in an orgy of positive thinking.

     In totalitarian regimes, to conclude, these discussions would not be in the open, back and forth.  

     I was quite upset perhaps two years or so ago when the border patrol, first, searched a bus I was on in Buffalo on its way to Ithaca, then searched it again in Rochester, and finally searched it yet again in Rochester on the way back, checking everybody's papers and closely questioning some Japanese visitors and an Indian Couple.  That I felt was an obscene intrusion of state power.  I don't believe it bothered any of my friends on the Radical Right here at the time.  If somebody did that to me again, I would be fully as bothered today as I was then.

     I suspect that, under this new administration, were this to happen to you or one of your friends, you would be aghast — and I believe, by the way, for good reason — for it would be evidence of the sort of fascist dictatorship that you've been complaining might be coming might actually be showing its ugly head.

     But where were you two years ago?

     And what about the current existence of the legal framework that allows this sort of thing to go on.  It is legal now, you know, and it's bone-headed to be fine with it under one administration and horrified with it under another.  Especially since, friends, we disagree on which administration supplies the greatest threat, and each of us is magnanimously willing to grant that the other may be wrong.    

      
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Hey, Denise, how many guns did you see at the tea-parties? After all, if they were walking around with guns, you must have seen a few, at least..any grannies packing heat there??
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quote:
I support the right of people to own them, but they should not be a part of a political discussion.

Liberty with your limitations imposed, Bob? Is that still liberty?

quote:
I was quite upset perhaps two years or so ago when the border patrol, first, searched a bus I was on in Buffalo on its way to Ithaca, then searched it again in Rochester, and finally searched it yet again in Rochester on the way back, checking everybody's papers and closely questioning some Japanese visitors and an Indian Couple.  That I felt was an obscene intrusion of state power.

And yet, presumably, you'd be fine with it, Bob, if the passengers were carrying guns?

quote:
I fail to see how saying that watching demonstrators walk around with guns, or seeing congressmen make comments about how the government is responsible for blowing up the building in Oklahoma City is anything other than provocative.  If fail to see that this sort of rhetoric is useful under these circumstances.

And there's the crux of the matter, Bob.

Fortunately for the rest of us, the Constitution doesn't impose that particular limitation on our rights to free speech. Bob doesn't have to see what I say as useful, or as anything else, before I get to say it. Indeed, it is precisely that kind of power that our Constitution tries to avoid putting into the hands of mere men. Bob doesn't have to like what I say. Bob just has to tolerate it.

Because that's the only way what he says will be tolerated as well.


 
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