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Obama, through Organizing for America, takes Biden's F Bomb national, in his typical 'in your face' sytle. Some folks have a problem losing graciously. He can't even be gracious in victory. What a guy! What a disgrace is more like it.
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/21646
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“The vice-president used a word that most of us would never use in front of our mother,” said CNN anchor Rick Sanchez, explaining why his network bleeped out the remark in its replays.

Oh, well. Democrats probably think it's no  big $$$$$$$ deal.
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http://store.barackobama.com/featured-products/men-s-health-reform-is-a-bfd-t-shirt.ht ml


DNC sells out first shipment of Biden healthcare shirts
By Jordan Fabian - 04/01/10 05:15 PM ET

Democrats say t-shirts that riff on Vice President Joe Biden's well-known take on the healthcare law are selling like hotcakes.

Organizing for America, the grassroots arm of the Democratic National Committee (DNC), are selling the shirts for $25 a piece in an effort to fundraise off Biden's slip that healthcare's passage was a "Big F****** Deal."



I offer this link in a spirit of giving to my democratic friends on this Easter Day. Buy early, since supply cannot keep up with demand. They make great gifts or would be excellent attire for attending Easter services,,,,,and weddings??? PERFECT!!!!

(It's a little-known fact that Romans wore these same shirts to orgies)

Buy early and buy often......show your class!  
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And they will still probably think that they have any moral authority to speak against the morals of the other party. Dense.

Dense National Committee.

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I don't see how Obama is to blame for that t-shirt.  Does merchandise go to him for approval before it is included at the website?  
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He created the group, Ess. I'm sure everything they do goes through him.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/white-house/obama-announces-organizing-for.html
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Since Cheney dropped the F-bomb at a photo op in 2004, perhaps Biden thought it was a Vice Presidential tradition and tried to follow suit?

Has anyone actually checked to see if the naughty word was caught on video, was it clear enough so that selectively hearing impaired teabaggers could make it out?

Actually Biden was spot on, and nothing proves what a big deal it actually is more than all the whining, sniveling, and blubbering sore loser right wingers have been doing since the bill was passed.

Republican morals? Like lying about death panels and IRS thugs with guns, hurling racial and homophobic slurs, spitting on members of Congress, making death threats not only to members of Congress but also to their children, their families, throwing bricks through windows and the RNC paying for donors to visit bondage theme strip clubs?
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Ah, the old finger pointing somewhere else. Doesn't that finger ever get tired?

Strange that you wouldn't be against this, Jennifer. You spoke about how the fabric of the site could be damaged and how people all over the country could be hurt or traumatized by a line in a spoof video referring to Frank as a queen and yet you have no problem with the DNC putting a phrase containing one of our strongest words of profanity on tens of thousands of T-shirts and selling them. If you have no outrage on that, then any credibility you may have had is gone and your morality is no better than theirs.

Tell you what. Give me your address and I'll buy one and have it sent to you. Then you can wear it proudly out to lunch, to PTA meetings or just around town. Should a child come up to you and ask you what it means, you can say reverently that they are the words of our beloved Vice-President, now immortalized by the DNC to raise funds for the upcoming effin elections because they are really in effin trouble. (if you have already bought one, disregard this offer).

I don't fault Biden that much. He didn't realize that microphones would pick it up and who doesn't say something off-color once in a while, if thay think no one is listening? (besides Jennifer)

The fault lies with the DNC for such incredible behavior to put it on shirts and sell them. There are women that are actually offended  by a phrase like that. There are actually children that should not be exposed to a phrase like that. it shows absolutely no class at all and anyone who doesn't condemn it is either as classless as the DNC or so biased that morality can't overcome their political bias.
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If it's so horribly, horribly offensive then perhaps it's inappropriate for a moderator to start a thread about it here in a G forum, and for another moderator to post links to the site showing the offensive merchandise?

  
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Mike,

What does the t-shirt actually say?

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Click on the link at the beginning of the thread, grinch. There is a picture there.
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Health Reform is a BFD

Oh my golly gosh! How terribly shocking.

Almost as bad as the fcuk t-shirts my sons wear.


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Denise

Maybe Obama is alright with it.  I don't think it is "classy" either.  But the president isn't obliged to be a "prude".  Obama has already proved that he is curteous and wellspoken person, in general.  That he can play upon a moment of less classy speech, just proves that he is able to be a human and have a sense of humour as, I think, we usually are.  Even Chaucer and Shakespeare have examples of some rather "dirty" words in their works, and people take them in a friendly spirit. I think your Obama-phobia is getting a bit desperate when it tries to make an outrage of such a superficial thing and then to defame your own president with it on Easter Sunday and call him a "disgrace".  How classy is that?    

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I bought one, well actually two, because it is a BFD.  They are only human folks.  Everyone slips up once in a while, even the Democrats.   This however, was a great slip. The health care isn't right on, but it is at least a first step towards getting health care to those who could never get it before.  It will get better, ours did.

I have supported both Obama and Biden since long before they were elected to represent your country.  I will keep supporting them as the majority of Americans voted them in for this term.  Until that changes, I will still show my respect to the job he and his team are doing.  Unless someone else wants to clean up the mess they walked into, Obama is still the one in charge, and represents the USA to the entire world.

I swore I was never going to come into the Alley anymore because it is all about politics and political bashing, so now I am going to stand in the corner, and won't return to read any sarcastic comments. Carry on, free speech is just that free speech.

Happy Easter everyone!
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LOL...I gotta laugh here, this is so hilarious. Yes, Ess, that's right. It's fine because it shows Obama has a sense of humor.  Right. Selecting Biden as vice-president showed that. Protesting BFD on political t-shirts is Obamaphobia....so be it.  Chaucer and Shakespeare used dirty words...wow, that REALLY makes it all right. Actually, I don't really care. I don't think the shirt is beneficial to democrats, at any rate. it shows their lack of class pretty loudly and I doubt that decent democrats will wear it...and may not even be very proud of it.

Yes, that's right grinch. Your son's shirt shows the same class. We also have phuque shirts over here, but non that are printed by a political party....yet. Who knows? That may be their next choice although I'm led to believe that "Only an SOB would note vote for Obama's healthcare" has the inside edge. After the next elections, I fully expect Democrat t-shirts to read WTF? in big letters!
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"The health care isn't right on, but it is at least a first step towards getting health care to those who could never get it before.  It will get better, ours did.

I have supported both Obama and Biden since long before they were elected to represent your country.  I will keep supporting them as the majority of Americans voted them in for this term.  Until that changes, I will still show my respect to the job he and his team are doing.  Unless someone else wants to clean up the mess they walked into, Obama is still the one in charge, and represents the USA to the entire world."

Bravo, Mysteria!

Some talk about class who not only don't show any, but don't have a clue what it means. You're a shining example of what class really is.

If you want to start non-political threads here in the Alley, I'll give you my full support and even keep my tongue in check.
Promise.

Happy Easter to you!

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It's too bad that he doesn't show respect for the Office he holds nor for the vast majority of the people that he 'rules' (a little slip of the tongue by one of his aides just prior to the innauguration).

Why don't you share with us your meaning of 'class', Jennifer.  
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dgL8J1OsP8&feature=related
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Balladeer, the link in # 5 shows drug use in a cartoon format and uses a homophobic slur. It makes feel very sad to know you think something like that's funny or worth watching.
You think I’m joking, Balladeer? Trust me, I’m not.

Homophobic slurs aren’t amusing, they’re cruel and degrading.  I really feel you should delete that link. Surely you can find some other video that says what you want to say about Obama, one that doesn’t contain hurtful words that demean others because of their sexual orientation
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Homophobic slurs, anti-gay remarks are as totally unacceptable as racial slurs. Anyone who doesn’t speak out against them is by their silence condoning bigotry and hate mongering. Bigotry and hate mongering may get a pass from you, Balladeer, but they sure don’t get one from me.

Anyway, since there has been at least one thread here in the Alley about how hurtful homophobic slurs can be, and there have been poems and posts about the same topic in other forums, I find it hard to accept that any long time poster wouldn’t understand that slurs like that in the video, might be very hurtful to members of the PiP family.
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All of this from a one liner in a video someone would have to google to find - and yet this same person thinks 25,000 t-shirts with BFD, where everyone knows what the F stands for is a fine thing.

That's what is the most entertaining thing about this whole thread. One can only imagine what the responses would be if the republicans came out with this shirt, the outrage that would come from those now claiming "no bfd". It's always interesting uncovering hypocracy.

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What, you dont like Bach? How about Vivaldi? This one will make you weep its so beautiful. My all time favoritest Vivaldi - so simple yet so compelling.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSx6HrWV2XM&feature=related
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Balladeer

If you are willing to let a homophobic insult pass by, but not a "dirty" word that is simply used as a modifier of the word "deal", then you may have your morals out of order a bit.  Neither of them are admirable or classy, but there is a big difference between a degrading insult and a word that is simply "dirty" but in no way used as an insult to anyone, let alone on the basis of something such as one's sexuality.  

There isn't anything that I have against complaining about the "BFD".  But Denise wasn't doing that, she was simply using it as a way to try to defame her own president.  Her comment didn't bash the t-shirt, it bashed Obama instead.  And that is what stang me with annoyance.  


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He deserves the blame for this Ess. It is a disrespect of the Office he holds to allow such crassness to be promoted and merchandised through an organization that he created. And I think you can infer from my comments that I find the shirt distasteful as well as the marketing of it.

Were you filled with annoyance, Ess, when you had folks on here constantly complaining about Bush? I don't recall that you were stung with annoyance then.

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Were you filled with annoyance, Ess, when you had folks on here constantly complaining about Bush? I don't recall that you were stung with annoyance then.

Yes I was Denise and did speak out sometimes when people bashed or mocked him, but not necessarily if they complained though.  Complaining about the actions of a president is not the same as bashing,  mocking, or slandering the president himself, etc.  


Both Bush and president Obama are figures of greatness in our time, and if I had children I would be glad for them to be able to see them as an inspiration.  What I wouldn't want to be an "inspiration" though is the kind of mentality that thinks bashing and mocking the president is how to express one's disagreement with something he may do, or anyone else for that matter.   The President gets more attention by people, but I would find it just as saddening if someone bashed you, especially in front of the world like this as the internet is today.

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     When George W. Bush used the F word about the press and it was caught on tape during his first campaign, there was a similar amount of outrage.  In that case, it was because the word was used in a derogatory context about the press.  In this case it was used as emphasis.  Some folks simply find the existence of the word alarming, others use it like salt, to give their language savor.  

     When it is attached to something for purposes of derogation, I personally find it difficult.  I take its existence in speech as a given.  You will find it salted through Chaucer and if I remember Lord Rochester's caustic and delightful satires well, you'll certainly find it there.  That doesn't mean you need to use it now.

     I believe this issue another usage issue.

     I believe the issue of derogation and humiliation  is somewhat different, and belongs here.  The use of derogatory and humiliating references and language is not allowed here because it is disrespectful to other posters, if I understand the rules of the site correctly.  The use of profanity by posters is not allowed because some members find it offensive.

     Yet the use of the word in this case is not a derogation directed at any person, nor is it intended, insofar as I can tell, to humiliate anybody.  It is simply the breaking of a minor taboo.

     I'm certain that similar outrage would have been expressed by our right wing friends toward Harry Truman for his use of salty language in his day.  It was by the Republicans of the day.  

     All I can say is, "Gosh I was pleased that the bill passed."  No, I'd have to go even further, "Gee Willickers, that Congress finally showed its sand!  Jimminy Crimes! it was just swell!"


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Yes, people use off-color words sometimes, when angry or very happy or excited. I get that. The Presidential thing to do would be to downplay the incident, not give your tacit approval of it by allowing it to be marketed as a fund raising gimmick. That, I believe is a disgrace to the Office. Combined with this and other actions of his, I can't say that I find anything inspiring about him at all.
 
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