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Those who find the BFD shirt in poor taste, might like one of these, a t-shirt with a  real classy presidential pic - and it's even a buck cheaper:
http://www.cafepress.com/+onefingered_victory_salute_black_tshirt,39798931
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     Denise, at what point did you find something inspiring about him?
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F  for  Flatulent seems more applicable to me, but Biden's bombastic brown-nosing behavior is typical of his character. I was more nauseous over that spectacle than what he actually said. The whole thing could have been staged. T-Shirt Deals, Inconvenient Truths...they all make big effing money.
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Exactly Regina!  It is always about money, and could very likely have been staged.  The shirts were sure out in record time.     I think they are smart marketing folks, and played a card at the right time.  It is all about money, and using your smarts to make it.
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Jennifer, this time I am agreeing with Denise- not because we are both conservatively aligned- rather because there is a huge difference between the two t-shirts.
The President Obama t-shirts are being sold be an organization that he is responsible for. The President Bush t-shirts are produced and marketed by someone who is very much NOT a President Bush supporter. Other t-shirts available are:
"Bush- 4 More Wars"
"W- The Deserter"
"I Support Whatever Fox News Tells Me To"
and many other literary and artistic masterpieces.

Not the same thing in the least.

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The way I see it is that Bush intentionally made an obscene gesture and conservatives gave it a pass, Biden made a slip of the tongue and conservatives are shocked and appalled, like their leaders never made a slip-up.
As for the t-shirt, don't like it, don't buy it. If Dems want to donate 25 dollars for a memento of Biden's enthusiasm driven language check failure, so be it. Really no ones business but theirs.
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Boy, knocked off the internet for three days and look at all the fun stuff I missed!


When George W. Bush used the F word about the press and it was caught on tape during his first campaign, there was a similar amount of outrage.  In that case, it was because the word was used in a derogatory context about the press.  In this case it was used as emphasis.  Some folks simply find the existence of the word alarming, others use it like salt, to give their language savor.  

True enough. At what point did the RNC decide to make a t-shirt of it?

  Yet the use of the word in this case is not a derogation directed at any person, nor is it intended, insofar as I can tell, to humiliate anybody.  It is simply the breaking of a minor taboo.

Ah, I see, Bob. it's not the words itself but whether or not it is used in a derragatory manner. Let's try a little test....next time you go into a restaurant, find the most gorgeous gal there and tell her that you think she is effin beautiful. Surely, she will thank you for such kind words and consider you a man of class. If, by some small chance she doesn't, explain to her (while her hands are balling up into fists) that the world itself is not bad - it's how the words is used - and since you used it in a complimentary manner toward her, she should feel honored. Let us know how that works out, willya?

Those who find the BFD shirt in poor taste, might like one of these, a t-shirt with a  real classy presidential pic - and it's even a buck cheaper: ]http://www.cafepress.com/+onefingered_victory_salute_black_tshirt,39798931

Interesting shirt. How much is the RNC charging for it? Oh, they are not selling it or printing it? Then what's your point?????

Biden made a slip of the tongue and conservatives are shocked and appalled, like their leaders never made a slip-up.

Once again, avoiding the point. His slip of the tongue is no big deal. The DNC putting it on 25000 shirts is. I know they need money but this one even beats Clinton's renting out the Lincoln bedroom.

Actually, I am caring less about it. Tens of thousands of Democrats will be out there, showing their lack of class, which will be noted. There's always a silver lining  

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From the archives:

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The White House approves of the Republican congressional campaign committee's plan to use a photograph of President Bush taken on September 11 as part of a GOP fundraising effort, a move Democrats call "nothing short of grotesque."

The National Republican Senatorial Committee and the National Republican Congressional Committee are offering the picture, along with photos of the president during his State of the Union address and at his inauguration, to donors who contribute at least $150 and attend a fund-raising dinner with Bush and the first lady next month.

"We know it's the Republicans' strategy to use the war for political gain, but I would hope that even the most cynical partisan operative would have cowered at the notion of exploiting the September 11 tragedy in this way," said Terry McAuliffe, chairman of the Democratic National Committee, in a written statement.
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/05/14/wh.fundraising.flap/index.html
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LOL! That's good comedy material. Dems are outraged of a pic of Bush aboard Air Force One but approve of their BFD shirts? And you brought this up....why?...to show how ridiculous Democrats are? I agree with you. No more proof needed...
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     Ridiculous about your feelings about language I can live with, Mike.  I might even enjoy being naughty with my words from time to time in what I consider the proper context.

     If The DNC did print the Tee shirts, and I don't know that they did, so what?  If people want to contribute money to pay for them, I think that's not such a terrible idea.  

     Seen any of the Republican Fund Raising plans lately?  Care to compare?

     Far as I understand it, the last leak of the Republican Fundraising documents had the party jumping back faster than if they just sat down on a hot grill.  Hmm?  
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Care to compare..,? Sure, Bob, if I could find a t-shirt from the RNC classless enough to match BFD (or include any other reference to strong profanity), I would be happy to. Fortunately, I can't.

You try calling anyone effin beautiful yet?
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     You, Mike, are Effing Beautiful, of course, an entirely appropriate use of the term, I do believe.

     Not quite like the Blond Bombshell of your dream, sad to say, but you'll do pretty well most of the time.  Decent to talk to, salty and good-hearted, got a temper but a solid character.  Yeah, you'd fit.

     If you knew the blond well enough, and were good friends with her, you should be able to say something like that and have it work with all the warmth intended.  I've had women friends that I could talk with like that from time to time in my life, and I've treasured them; I daresay you may have had them as well, though about that I can't be as certain.  I wouldn't want to start a relationship with a woman off like that, though.  That would be a mistake.  As would be the use of the term with anything other than absolutely clear affection.  

     I don't think I've said anything here that you wouldn't have been able to say to me first, though, unless the sub-cultures we've grown up in have been very different.

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     As indeed the subject of this discussion would be a BFD.

     I was never in the army, but I hung around the VA enough to know that you're either deaf or you've heard the language before from people you respect and you're keeping quiet about it.  You also know that the language is used around the halls of congress and throughout the City of Washington as often as anywhere else from Democrats and Republicans alike.  

     Furthermore, passage of that bill was a BFD for the Democrats.  The Republicans had fought them every single inch of the way, bitterly and with malice and with distortions and lies that have been discussed in these pages ad nauseum and possibly beyond it at times.

     This whole linguistic firestorm in a sixth grade science project volcano gone crackpot we are indulging ourselves in is one more piece of the bitterness with which the Republicanbs have fought.  Nothing is too petty or too niggling to be cause for rancor, or to be cause for stirring up of spite.  Look at the attitude suggested by the title of the thread itself, suggested as a commentary on the behavior of the Democrats.  It is exactly what we've been indulging ourselves in here, Mike, a real Class Act.
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I don't consider it petty or niggling, Jen, to expect those in high office to conduct themselves, publicly, in ways that are non-offensive, as befits the honor associated with high office. Gutter talk belongs in the gutter or behind closed doors, at least, and it certainly doesn't need to be glorified and immortalized in this manner. It's nothing short of a disgrace, in my opinion.
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There are times in life when no matter how much something irks you, you just have to let it go. Negativity is a very destructive force.
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     If you suggest that a piece of bad language is a disgrace, what space have you allowed for things that are actual, indisputable disgraces, like slavery, Denise?  I would suggest to you that you are a victim of a serious case of language inflation.  When you use a word like "disgrace" to describe both, you have destroyed the actual meaning of both.  Unless you actually do mean that a piece of bad language and slavery are the same thing, or that talking crudely and acting crudely are indistinguishable for you.  I think you are perfectly capable of making such a distinction, and are refusing to do so, at least in the case of those you oppose politically.

      
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You guys are really funny!
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If you suggest that a piece of bad language is a disgrace, what space have you allowed for things that are actual, indisputable disgraces, like slavery, Denise?

Bob, do you REALLY think these attempts at deception are going to work? A piece of bad language is nothing. Printing it on 25000 shirts to be worn in public, by a political party, is. Go back to slavery or anything you want. Nothing changes it or even relates to it. Democrats showed no class at all here and I doubt many will wear it in public, unless surrounded by fellow democrats with the same lack of class.

Feel free to resume your slavery comments...
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quote:
I don't consider it petty or niggling, Jen, to expect those in high office to conduct themselves, publicly, in ways that are non-offensive, as befits the honor associated with high office



But it is not as simple as that.  Everyone has exceptions to good manners.  And even people in high offices do.  That doesn't take away the merits and good things he did/does, it just means that there will always be exceptions too.  I agree that those ought to be mentioned and criticized within reason too, but I don't think it is within reason anymore and it is no good deed to treat something such as this "BFD" on a t-shirt as if it is some symbolic statement about his character in general or represents something usual about the way Obama conducts himself and thereby call him a "disgrace".   It is not something usual.  People know Obama usually has good manners in communicating and being courteous, especially in public.  It is not common or a habit of Obama to use dirty words.  Anyone that judges with respect and reason, will know it is an exception, not some statement of his character or what kind of respect he has for the office.
  
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....and being an exception excuses it. ess?
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Of course not.  But one needs to judge how harsh or frequent something is, and this is not so harsh or frequent that it may not be excused, at least by most people.  Even Ron lets us put "BFD" at this site and this is not only a public forum but also claims to be "Rated G"  
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The disgrace, Ess, is not in a slip of the tongue. The disgrace is in Obama not handling it in a Presidential manner by downplaying it, but rather allowing it to become a fund raising gimmick. That's not just a slip of the tongue. That's done with deliberation and planning that shows a lack of concern for the offense that it may cause.
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Itís a teabagger talking point, a flame to incite rightwingers who find real issues too complex to study, understand or discuss. Like Beck, Limbaugh, Hannity rages, teabagger talking points carry about the same intellectual gravitas as a Viagra commercial.
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quote:
rightwingers who find real issues too complex to study, understand or discuss.


More fiction. Pretty soon you could have an entire novel! Keep up the good work, Jen!
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     There you go with the language inflation again, Denise ó  this from somebody whose political viewpoint doesn't distinguish amongst fascists,  communists and socialists, and whose political fellows apply all three indiscriminately to a President who most closely resembles an Eisenhower Republican; this from somebody who believes that fascists,  communists and socialists are apparently all synonyms for Liberal.

       Goodness, no wonder you find this" funny".  I shudder to imagine exactly how you stretch the definition of that particular word, and what synonyms you've nominated there.
 
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