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Rep. John  Lewis (D-Georgia) facing an angry gauntlet of protesters...

Wasn't that booing just so disrespectful! How do conservatives/teabaggers expect to attract African-American voters when they publicly disrespect African-American members of Congress? The hypocrisy of the right is almost unbelievable.
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We're equal opportunity booers, Jen! The color of their skin doesn't play into the equation.

Supreme Court decisions would probably be less divided if they were actually based more on the Constitution rather than on legal precedent.
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     What did I say that was untrue, Denise?
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Jennifer, I’d like to introduce you to the beautiful Deneen Borelli.

Aside from being beautiful: She’s also smart, black, and a Tea Party Activist, among her many other positive attributes and interests, I'm sure.

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How do conservatives/teabaggers expect to attract African-American voters when they publicly disrespect African-American members of Congress? The hypocrisy of the right is almost unbelievable.



With Project 21’s Black conservative involvement, the above seems to be lacking in respect for the many voices of conservatism and the Tea Party movement.  The threads of hypocrisy span out like a spider’s web and, with enough unrest, everyone gets caught-up in some sticky ideology. The most forgiving thing about that is having faith in something Reagan said years ago “If we’re ever attacked by another planet, we’ll all just be human together.” (bad rendering, perhaps, but you’ll get the drift.)


"It should go without saying that racial slurs are offensive and uncalled for," added Borelli. "But progressives seem far more aggressive in hurling racist comments than Tea Party members. I find that all the time on my e-mail after I appear on television or radio." (Borelli)

"In an attempt to inject race into the national debate about government running our nation's health care system, Representative Charlie Rangel made false allegations about the Tea Parties when he said that '[y]ou don't see any black folks in these groups. Ever, ever, ever, ever, ever.' Considering he's never invited me -- or any of his conservative colleagues, for that matter -- for insight on reworking one-sixth of our economy, he obviously must not realize I am black. He also failed to see the other black faces I've seen at the many tea party rallies I've attended and spoken at over the past few months." (Borelli)


When things tend to get slung-ugly to the right and to the left, it’s usually because something's really wrong down front and center. That’s my idiosyncratic view of things, and I’m sticking to it.
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Deneen Borelli Speaks

Lovely lady. Lovely impassioned speaker.
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I wonder if Deneen has ever met Dale:

Dale Robertson, Tea Party activist who operates TeaParty.org
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2735/4245761458_cc8eb8cedc.jpg
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I suspect she's suffered such a meeting, and I'm confident she's aware of how damaging the flaccid reps are and the bad press that accompanies their spectacle. This isn't anything new with any such movement. There's always someone who will lasso an element of a cause and twist it into something sick and wrong. Still, she speaks and supports the Tea Party movement with class and dignity. I always appreciate that in any arena.

Some of the comments in response to her Youtube videos are so vulgar and disgusting I avoided posting a link to them. If they were representative of all humans I'd not want to be one anymore. Thankfully, that's not the case.


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Here is an article about more black conservative Tea Party supporters.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9ETR1380&show_article=1
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     I am glad that there are Black and Hispanic members of the TEA Party movement.  I am also pleased that some of our Right Wing voices here are pleased by this.  The thing that strikes me about the matter, however, and I think this may say as much about me as the situation, is that this information is being treated, and I think appropriately treated, as NEWS.  

     The redoubtable Miss Pfeiffer, she of great wisdom and good sense, my fourth grade teacher in Canton, Ohio, was very clear with us about what was news and what was not news.  I don't know if her wisdom was repeated elsewhere, but I suspect it was.  "When a dog bites a man, it is not news.  It is news when a man  bites a dog."

     I think that is why these stories are news and why they are pushed to the forefront of the publicity wars at this point.  I would very much like it to be true that this sort of situation be so common that it would not be news and that  it would be absolutely understood that the views of The TEA Party Nation were widely and equally shared by an equal  cross-section of people I might disagree with, amiably throughout the land.
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http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9ETR1380&show_article=1
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Thanks, Jen. I printed the article out and am using it to cover the bottom of the birdcage.

(my parrot thinks it's funny, too)
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     Why would you do that, Mike?   It seemed like a fairly evenhanded article.  It allowed both sides of the situation about equal air time, and when it said that blacks were a decided minority in the TEA Party, I believe that conforms to reality.  

     What was it that you found wrongheaded or offensive about the article?
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I can understand your confusion, Bob. You see, Jennifer has a little trick about going back and changing comments after they have been commented on. The link she had there originally was from the Guardian, UK, which was little more than radical garbage. That was what my comment referred to. The title was "When rightwing hate goes mainstream". I've learned to save her comments.

It's not the first time....
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Thanks for the clarification Michael. I didn't think you would have made such comments about the link that she has there now. It's identical to the one that I had just previously shared about Black Conservative Tea Party supporters, So I figured that her original link had been changed.

Here's another great article from one of my favorite columnists, Erik Rush, who happens to be a Black Conservative:
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=137761

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Actually, if anyone's counting, it's the second time. Anyway, was just trying to offer something a little more suitable for lining the bird cage.
Do you really have a parrot, if so what kind? What's his/her name?
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     What the link for the original, Mike?  We had a family friend who wrote for the Guardian back in the 60's, a man by the name of Michael Goldberg, a South African who had to flee his country because of his uncompromising honesty about the regime in power.  My family met him when he was a Ph.D. Student at Cornell, he and his wonderful wife and daughter.  So I want to know what the article said that you consider such drivel.  The Guardian wasn't drivel then and I haven't seen it publish drivel recently, so I want to see for myself here.  What were you saying about South Africa in 1963, Mike?
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That's your only comment, Bob? You, who do not hesitate to call me on the carpet for anything you think I do that deviates from appropriate behavior in  the Alley, that's all you have to say? Nor even a mild rebuke for such a distasteful tactic? Must be hard for you to show how your recriminations are so prejudicial.
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Yes, Jennifer, we know exactly what you were trying to do. I'm certain it doesn't matter to you. You can live very well without my respect, I'm sure.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG4K5mX7jgk
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When rightwing anti-government hate goes mainstream, the fringe element comes out of the closet.

“Larry North: Mailbox Explosives Suspect Had Anti-Government Motives, Feds Say

A man accused of dropping more than 30 explosive devices into mailboxes and other locations across east Texas did so out of anger toward the government and was acting alone, federal authorities said Thursday.

"These devices, over 30 in number, have caused fear in this community nothing short of domestic terrorism,"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/08/larry-north-mailbox-explo_n_530436.html

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When rightwing anti-government hate goes mainstream


Have you anything to back up your assertion that rightwing hate has gone mainstream, Jennifer? All you've shown so far, in your multiple attempts at smearing the rightwing mainstream, have been the fringe elements and/or baseless allegations.  And why are your constant attacks against the right not characterized as 'hate' and engaging in soapbox political opinions, as those of us on the right have been characterized?
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     You told her that she changed her reference.  

     Do you believe it was an actual tactic designed to make you llok bad?  I suspect that this was not Jennifer's actual intention.  I think that her intention, in that case, would have had to have been to make you look foolish instead of making a discussion point, and this seems unlikely to me.

      Not that Jennifer is somebody who doesn't have a sharp tongue or wit from time to time.  But then most of us do, at least here.  

     The last sentence of your post is a puzzle to me, I confess.  What do you mean?  That I only take those to task who disagree with me?  That would not be quite true.  

     And I notice you still haven't given me the link I requested to your original quotation.  Do you suspect that I might not find it as upsetting as you judge it to be, and the substitution not so offensive as you portray it?  Or are you bothered  by being reminded that The Guardian may have been slightly mischaracterized by you in your swiftness to respond to Jennifer?
I made a reasonable request, I thought, and you've apparently found it very difficult to respond to, especially for a guy who says that he copies Jennifer's originals so he won't be misquoted again.

     I couild ask Jennifer, I suppose, but then that's going the long way about, isn't it?

  
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I'm sorry Bob, but Balladeer put the Guardian article "When Rightwing Anti-Government Hate Goes Mainstream" in the  bottom of his real or imagined parrot's birdcage before you had time to read it. If the parrot is real, then the original is probably pretty nasty by now, I'll see if I can find you another copy.
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Bob, I really don't care how you find it. Apparently you feel I need to jump whenever you snap your fingers. It's strange that you wouldn't have asked Jennifer to produce it instead of me, but then your not admonishing her for doing something like that is strange also, especially in light of the fact you always seem to be rushing to her defense, as you have done here. Here's the link and, as I said, what you think of it is immaterial to me.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2010/apr/07/rightwing-extremi sm-republicans

I could ask Jennifer, I suppose, but then that's going the long way about, isn't it?

The long way? Asking the person who posted it in the first place, instead of the person who reported it as being changed is the long way? No, Bob, it's simply the way you did not want to choose. I really have thought that, on occasion, you could be reasonably impartial. You have shown that's not in you. I won't bother trying to reason with you again....it's pointless.
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Two birds with one stone, so to speak - no offense to the parrot of course.

From the above mentioned article:

“The most recent and oddest manifestation was last week's arrest of nine people involved in what authorities have referred to as a "Christian militia" intent on sparking revolution. But there have been other examples, each treated by the media as isolated incidents. The murder of Kansas abortion doctor George Tiller, whose killer was sentenced to life in prison last week. The pilot who crashed his plane into an Internal Revenue Service facility in Austin, Texas, in February. Protesters whipped into a frenzy during the healthcare debate who yelled racist and homophobic slurs at members of Congress, who spat upon one and who phoned in threats of violence.

According to Mark Potok of the Southern Poverty Law Centre, the number of rightwing extremist groups has risen exponentially during the past 18 months. And in an interview with National Public Radio's On the Media last week, he was unstinting in placing at least some of the blame for that with their enablers in the Republican party and in the media. Potok said:

"I'm talking about when [Republican congresswoman] Michele Bachmann says President Obama is setting up political re-education camps all around the country, presumably to turn our children into Marxist robots. I'm talking about when Steve King, a congressman out of Iowa, says that 25 Americans every single day are either murdered or run over and killed by drunken, as he would say, 'criminal illegal aliens', or when Glenn Beck on Fox News talks about the possibility that the Federal Emergency Management Agency is running a set of secret concentration camps to intern good patriotic Americans, all of that and much more. And that is becoming quite common today."
 
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