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25 posted 03-28-2010 05:53 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

This is a good addition..
http://biggovernment.com/brjohnson/2010/02/03/why-you-should-know-about-craig-becker-and-why-you-need-to-be-worried/

Followed by this.....

'Card check' bill loses key supporters
With Sens. Specter and Feinstein withdrawing their support, and the threat of a Republican filibuster, backers of the pro-union provision may have to consider less divisive alternatives.
March 28, 2009|James Oliphant

WASHINGTON — Whether you label it the "card check" bill or the Employee Free Choice Act, you can also call it something else -- in deep trouble.

Key senators this week appeared to cripple prospects for passing the highly polarizing measure, the labor movement's top priority in Congress, which is aimed at making it easier for workers to join unions.

The latest hurdle came Friday, when Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) said she would seek alternative legislation that was less divisive. Feinstein, a past sponsor of the act, cited the flailing economy as a reason; other critics of the bill have said it would drive up operating costs for businesses at a perilous time.

"This is an extraordinarily difficult economy, and feelings are very strong on both sides of the issue," Feinstein said in a statement. "I would hope there is some way to find common ground that would be agreeable to both business and labor."

Feinstein's words came days after Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Pa.) declared that he would not support the bill. Specter too had supported the act in the past, and his announcement was viewed as eliminating any chance that Democrats could muster enough votes to break a promised Republican filibuster.
http://articles.latimes.com/2009/mar/28/nation/na-card-check28
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26 posted 03-28-2010 05:54 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

So, grinch, what you basically have is an appointee who was rejected and a bill that was also rejected. Obama wants him in and has his own major ties with SEIU. What does he do? Brings him in while congress is on recess, denying them the right to vote on the appointment. The card check bill that has been rejected? That can be brought in, too, inside of the NLRB once the nominee gets in, once again with Congress being shut out of the decision.

No one sees a recurring modus operandi here with regards to the way Obama is running the country? When something comes up that congress or the American public don't want but Obama does, he simply does end runs and uses loopholes to get it in. Can't pass health care due to a filibuster? Use reconciliation, even though that porcedue has NEVER been used on a bill of this magnitude. Want an SEIU lawyer on the NLRB. Get him in in such a way congress has no voice in it. He is fracturing constitutional procedures like they were mirrors he doesn't want to look into. It amazes me that so many otherwise normally intelligent people cannot see, or refuse to see, what damage this man is doing to the country  and the harm he is doing to the constitution. I feel confident that, in a few years when the wheels have come off of his bandwagon and the United States faces incredible domestic and economic upheaval, the same people that are closing their eyes to his actions now will be the ones saying, "We didn't know!", just like the Germans living in the towns surrounding the extermination camps, who actually did know but didn't want to acknowledge. These people know, also...they just don't want to acknowledge it.
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You should have researched a little more Mike.

Craig Becker is a left wing lawyer that the Republicans didn’t want on the NLRB. I’m not enamoured with his appointment either but I do know who to blame for getting him that appointment – the Republicans.

When Carter was in power the Republicans held up one of his nominees for the NLRB and both parties, seeing that this was heading in the direction of a recurring tit for tat farce, sensibly agreed to a compromise. They cut a deal that in future of the 5 members three would always be of the same political bent as the incumbent President and two would be from the opposite party. At present there’s one Republican and one Democrat, Obama duly put forward two Democrats and a Republican and instead of contesting Becker using the normal process they used the filibuster to permanently block a vote on his appointments.

Obama warned them that he’d use the recess process if they didn’t play nice and they ignored him. So Obama appointed two Democrats and zero Republicans.

Way to go Republicans – now the Dems have 3 versus 1 on the NLRB.



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Check out these photos if you want to see real political hatred with violent undertones, Jennifer. This stuff was very widespread and out in the open during the Bush years.
http://michellemalkin.com/2006/08/31/assassination-chic/


I guess that video you provided will be enhanced to actually show the man deliberately spitting, rather than just shouting through his cupped hands? Maybe he did, but all I can see here is that the man is yelling and then the congressman wiping at his face. It could be that the man inadverntly 'sprayed' him during his exhuberant yelling as opposed to deliberatley intending to spit on the man.  
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29 posted 03-28-2010 06:59 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

Nice, grinch. 3 to 1 on the board and it's the republican's fault...what a surprise. Joining in that filibuster, and making it possible, were Democrats. This was back when Republicans only had 59 votes and were unable to filibuster. They recognized the danger of having this man on the board.

And what about Obama's campaign promises? A lawyer for SEIU fits into them? Of course not. The head of SEIU has the distinction of being the most frequent visitor to the White House since Obama became president. Obama has a long history with SEIU. Obama wants the card check in there, which congress will not endorse. The card check provision will pay a lot of Obama debts to the unions.

It's sleazy, grinch, and my wording of "sneaking him in" is valid.

What are your thoughts on the card check?
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30 posted 03-28-2010 07:06 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

Denise....

Kill Bush shirts? Posters of him with his head cut off? Target practice dummies made out of Bush likeness? You expect these to compare with an alleged spitting incident aimed at a congressman??

What are you thinking?

You are interrupting the double standard they apply to all incidents....even when it is in black and white...and red.
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Mike,

How can you call it “sneaking something in” when it’s so out in the open that a dipstick like me can see it from all the way over here in the UK!



Card check?

I’m marginally against changing the current system but if the Employee Free Choice Act passed with an amendment that ensured that the request for a private ballot was contained on the original card I wouldn’t be too concerned.

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I mistakenly thought that once Bush was out of office things would calm down on the left. I was actually looking forward to some peace and quiet, Michael! How foolish of me. But back then I wasn't familiar with the philosophies of Saul Alinsky and Cloward and Piven. They just never give up. They are like a toothache that never stops throbbing, all designed to wear down their opposition and eventually collapse the entire system and then have their own structure in place ready to go when it collapses.

All we can do is shine a spotlight on them and their tactics and hope enough people wake up and vote these miscreants out of office.

Here's an article dealing with the manufactured allegations of hatred and bigoty being made by the left against the Tea Party folks.
http://michellemalkin.com/2010/03/26/how-the-left-fakes-the-hate-a-primer/
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I call it sneaking when congressmen wake up and find it has been done.

The elimination of the "private ballot"  is the most important thing the unions want in.
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Mike,

The Congressmen should have woken up in February when Obama told them he was going to do it.

As it stands the bill contains a stipulation that if 30% of the employees request a private ballot they can have one.

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     You never did answer my question about whether you've  read the people you're bad-mouthing, Denise?  Many of us consider that knowing what you're criticizing is considered a useful tactic.  

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Sorry about that Bob, I was away for the weeekend, and I'm just getting caught up.

I've read Alinsky's Rules for Radicals and I've read excerpts from Cloward and Piven.

They didn't strike me as free-market capitalists, or those who respect the Constitution.
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As it stands the bill contains a stipulation that if 30% of the employees request a private ballot they can have one.


Interesting. So, as long as 30% of the workforce is non-union and none of them have any desire to join the union and they all vote against it, then it will not be used. Sound feasible to you?
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Mike,

The current law says that if >30% of any workforce signs a card requesting that a union is recognised by the employer the NLRB will organise a private ballot. If the ballot returns a result  >50% of all employees the union has to be recognised by the employer.

The new proposal is that the union should be recognised based on the card check and that a private ballot will only be called if requested by 30% of the workforce.

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Why not just keep the ballot private to begin with?  If they want to change to card check, why not a majority vote requirement? On what basis do they think 30% should qualify?  Why not turn it around and say that the private ballot will stand unless requested otherwise by 30%?
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and that a private ballot will only be called if requested by 30% of the workforce.

..which takes me back to the question I just asked?

Isn't it strange that a country that prides itself on the privacy of the ballot as far as political elections are concerned, would be willing to give up that right under union pressure?

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The measure — widely known as card check and formally as the Employee Free Choice Act — would allow a union to form after enough workers in a shop sign cards, or petitions, rather than voting by secret ballot.

Surely you see the scenario here, grinch. Those who do not sign to allow unions in would be made public and ostracized. You know how unions work and I'm sure you know the tactics they have used since their beginning...threats and intimidation.

Let's suppose you don't want the union in your place of work. You vote no. Your vote is public. Union leaders show up at your door. You get threatening phone calls. Other members who did vote for unions taunt you. Picketers show up on your front lawn to make your life a living hell. Would you consider that fair?

Please don't try to say that wouldn't happen. I don't know how unions work in England but I can assure you they work like that here. ACORN lived by those actions. The unions want that provision in. They DEMAND that provision in. The new member of the NLRB wants it in. Do you support that?
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This will make your brain hurt - from Sarah

Warning: Subject to New Politically Correct Language Police Censorship
Today at 1:59pm

March Madness battles rage! My family and I join millions of Americans enjoying college basketball’s finest through March Madness. Underdogs always get my vote as we watch intense competition bring out the best in these accomplished teams.

The Final Four is an intense, contested series (kind of like a heated, competitive primary election), so best of luck to all teams, and watch for this principle lived out: the team that wins is the team that wants it more.

To the teams that desire making it this far next year: Gear up! In the battle, set your sights on next season’s targets! From the shot across the bow – the first second’s tip-off – your leaders will be in the enemy’s crosshairs, so you must execute strong defensive tactics. You won’t win only playing defense, so get on offense! The crossfire is intense, so penetrate through enemy territory by bombing through the press, and use your strong weapons – your Big Guns – to drive to the hole. Shoot with accuracy; aim high and remember it takes blood, sweat and tears to win.

Focus on the goal and fight for it. If the gate is closed, go over the fence. If the fence is too high, pole vault in. If that doesn’t work, parachute in. If the other side tries to push back, your attitude should be “go for it.” Get in their faces and argue with them. (Sound familiar?!) Every possession is a battle; you’ll only win the war if you’ve picked your battles wisely. No matter how tough it gets, never retreat, instead RELOAD!

- Sarah Palin
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Seven people have been arrested for allegedly selling pipe bombs in Michigan, Ohio and Indiana, Fox News has learned.

The arrests and raids in Michigan and Indianapolis are related to alleged militia activity in the region, but are not related to international terrorism. There is not a current threat to the public, according to a law enforcement source.

An official for the FBI's Michigan bureau said initial court appearances are expected in Michigan on Monday.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/03/28/arrests-alleged-militia-activity-midwest
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But it’s not a political election Mike, it’s a request to join a union and have that union represent you during collective bargaining. You either want to join or you don’t. Under the current law if you do you fill in a card, if you don’t .. you don’t but currently even if 100% of the workforce fill in cards you still have to have a private ballot.

Why do you need a private ballot if more than 50% of the workforce fills in cards to say they want to join a union and have that union recognised by the employer? They’ve already registered their intention.

Isn’t a ballot at that point just a waste of time, money and effort?

Edit……………….

Mike,

I agree completely that there is a potential for intimidation – the early years of unionisation are rife with examples but at the level of intimidation your talking about even a private ballot isn’t a guarantee of a fair result.

As I said earlier my preference would be in favour of the current system – marginally. However if they include the suggested provision that 30% of the workforce (pro or anti union would be my preference) could instigate a private ballot if they requested it. If they also stipulated that all cards contained an option for the signatory to also request a ballot, which would count towards the 30% watermark. Then I wouldn’t have a problem with the proposed bill.

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Ya gotta love Sarah's sense of humor!
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Ok, thanks for your thoughts.

Focus on the goal and fight for it. If the gate is closed, go over the fence. If the fence is too high, pole vault in. If that doesn’t work, parachute in.  

You may have missed the point, Jennifer, that that phrase was taken from Pelosi's speech about what they would do to pass health care.
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"Get in their faces and argue with them."

...and this is courtesy of The One, Barack himself.
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Not to mention that Crossfire was a popular show on CNN
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Addendum to the "You didn't get mad list" re Teabaggers

You didn't get mad when we gave people who had more money than they could spend, the filthy rich, over a trillion dollars in tax breaks.

You didn’t get mad with the worst 8 years of job creations in several decades.

You didn’t get mad when over 200,000 US Citizens lost their lives because they had no health insurance

You didn’t get mad when lack of oversight and regulations from the Bush Administration caused US Citizens to lose 12 trillion dollars in investments, retirement, and home values.

You finally got mad when an African-American man was elected President and decided that people in America deserved the right to see a doctor if they are sick. Yes, illegal wars, lies, corruption, torture, job losses by the millions, stealing your tax dollars to make the rich richer, and the worst economic disaster since 1929 are all okay with you, but helping fellow Americans who are sick...oh hell no.
 
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