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Bob K
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What do I call hate speech and incitement? http://crashtheteaparty.org/

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The link refers to not only having people show up at rallies, but to show up, pretend to be tea partiers, and engage in acts meant to discredit tea partiers which could be blamed on them, thus causing dissent and hatred toward the tea party movement.

Inciting hate?....you betcha.
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They have publicly announced that they are infiltrating the tea party movement and doing things to discredit the tea partiers.

Ah, but Mike, what if "they" are secretly members of the Tea Party movement? Wouldn't it be a stroke of genius to introduce the idea that anything bad the Tea Party does is, in actuality, a plant from outside the movement?
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      Thank you, Ron; I hadn't been able to get my point across.
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Genius indeed, Ron. or perhaps they could be liberals who could plant the idea that tea-baggers are really behind the actions that they claim have been started by infiltrators in order to convince people that the infiltrators are doing the dastardly deeds when actually it's the tea-baggers all along.

Or it could be the tea-baggers who claim that the liberals are planting the idea that the tea-baggers are planting the idea....how long would you like to carry this out?

The fact is that the website was created by an Oregon professor who has been suspended from his teaching duties based on his creation of the site and call to action for others to infiltrate the movement to cast suspicion on the tea-baggers. If you want to claim he is secretly a tea-bagger, willing to sacrifice his career for the sake of this diversion, go ahead. That would be a hard sell, I believe.
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     To the sound of thundering hooves and the rising cloud of dust from the streets of America, I hear from the Radical Right the clear and certain cry of alarm go up across the land:  "The Zebras are coming!  The Zebras are coming!  Everybody grap your guns and start shooting!  The Zebras are Coming!"
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I can always tell when your lithium level is low, Bob!
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     I'm sorry, Mike.

     That was a reference to Occam's Razor.

     Zebras are usually used as the example, as in, when you hear a thundering herd of hooved beasts with manes, it's best to assume horses, not zebras.  The Computer dictionary available through  Pip's Dictionary Application goes a bit further, and applies the sort of example that the scholastic monk, William of Ockham, probably was more concerned with when he devised the principle in the first place:

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Occam's Razor definition
philosophy
The English philosopher, William of Occam (1300-1349) propounded Occam's Razor:
Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem.
(Latin for "Entities should not be multiplied more than necessary"). That is, the fewer assumptions an explanation of a phenomenon depends on, the better it is.
For example, some claim that God caused himself to exist and also caused the universe to exist - he was the "first cause" - whereas Occam's Razor suggests that if one accepts the possibility of something causing itself then it is better to assume that it was the universe that caused itself rather than God because this explanation involves fewer entities.
The negation of Occam's Razor would suggest that an arbitrarily complex explanation is just as good as the simplest one. (E.g. God and his cat created a robot called Sparky who built the universe from parts bought from a shop in another dimension).
See also KISS Principle.



     I don't think William of Ockham was thinking specifically of Sparky, mind you.

     Onb the other hand, there are simpler explanation for the idiocy and occasional acts of violence that tend to happen from time to time around the TEA Party Meetings than the more or less ubiquitous "Infiltrators and Leftists did it."

     It not impossible that there are infiltrators and Leftists doing stupid stuff.  There must be at least some of them.  It's simply not the most likely explanation.
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I find it extremely likely when there is a website advertising it and asking for volunteers, Bob.
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     To show up at meetings, even to show up at meetings with signs is one thing.  To create some of the incidents such as some that have showed up on you-tube is something else entirely.  And some of the fools with signs certainly showed up well before the Levin guy.  I don't buy the notion of the Innocent Radical Right, Mike, especially not the notion of the armed, innocent Radical Right.

     The KISS principle still holds.
 
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