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0 posted 03-17-2010 06:31 PM       View Profile for JenniferMaxwell   Email JenniferMaxwell   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for JenniferMaxwell

I really don't understand why anyone would treat another human being like this:

Tea Partiers Mock And Scorn Apparent Parkinson's Victim http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ik4f1dRbP8
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     Single cases make poor examples, of course; and these are folks who may not be at all representative of the Tea Party thinking.  I would hope they aren't.

     But the situation does dramatize a problem in the Tea Party and the right wing approach to health care in general.  Rage at the suffering of the victim is a response one sees over and over again in history, certainly in recent history, where it's been frequent in discussion of the response of the Jews to the Shoah.  We may also see it in the occasional discussion of how blacks have not assimilated in the same fashion that other ethnic groups have assimilated during the course of American history.  The conclusion is, frequently, on the part of the people who raise the objection, that there must be something wrong with the group or the people concerned that justifies the way they've been treated.  Blame the victim.  Not me but thee.

     In reality, this is probably not such a great idea.  I think not such a great Idea for two reasons.  In the first place, it leaves unaddressed the feeling of guilt that makes the accusers angry at the victims in the first place.  If there would be no guilt, no sense of responsibility, no matter how tiny and ridiculous or how large, direct and real, the rage toward the victims would not be there.  Instead, there would be amusement, laughter and perhaps pity at the level of delusion these poor folk were harboring on top of the suffering they already had to deal with.

     The second reason is that the rage and the quarrel back and forth about blame inhibits efforts to understand what the issues may actually be, and how they might actually be addressed.  

     This should be what's foremost on everybody's mind ó how to alleviate suffering and make the society as a whole one that functions more smoothly and more happily.  

     A happy society is the prize.

     When we do not have our eyes on the prize, then we are not heading in that direction.  When we are quarreling about who to blame, the prize is getting rid of guilt and fixing blame; and that, friends, is what I would call a booby-prize.  The folks who get awarded the booby prize get to feel resentful and vengeful, and to wait for a chance to re-open the conflict.  The folks who get rid of the booby-prize get to act self-righteous.

     My nomination for the definition of  "self-righteous" is "those folks who are signing up to get the booby prize next time around."  Pick either side in the Arab-Israeli conflict on  any particular go-around for an example.  Pick a particularly bitter family fight.

     Try to find a way of telling yourself that it's no skin off your nose that people with Parkinson's disease are dying and that you think we ought to stop doing what we can for them.  We are helping now, with some Federal help for treatment costs.  We help a lot of people in a lot of different ways that I think we can and should feel proud about.

     So why not figure out how this does and should fit into Right wing politics and into The Tea Party platform instead of leaving those poor idiots standing there making idiots out of themselves in front of the cameras, not knowing how to respond to their sense of guilt, and not knowing what the government is doing and could be doing, and how much it costs?

     A little more solid research and a little less inflammatory rhetoric would probably go a long way.

    

    
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"instead of leaving those poor idiots standing there making idiots out of themselves in front of the cameras, not knowing how to respond to their sense of guilt"

Their sense of guilt? You think that was the cause or have I misunderstood you?
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I couldn't help wonder if reactions would have been different had his sign said leukemia patient, or if it had been a woman holding a breast cancer sign. Limbaugh mocked Michael Fox, accused him of faking his Parkinsons symptoms. Perhaps those screaming really don't know how serious  Parkinsons is - were following Rush's lead.

It was good to note that even though they stood by and did nothing to stop the inhumane treatment, there were Tea Partiers who at least seemed embarassed by the outburst. Another quote:
"All that is required for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
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The video is a lie.

research it.  Read what his sign said.  The cameraman made great points to shoot behind the man so you couldn't read it.  Also, they blurred the words they didn't want you to see.  BUT they failed in the HuffPo to tell you what the LAST LINE SAID!  I'm not going to give it away.  You have to look for yourself.  You can just barely see it, but the video glare (intentional) blurs the last word.  

Also, ask WHY this guy sat down on the street right in front of the Tea Party goers.  The other side of the street had pro-healthcare supporters in mass, which you also don't see in the video.  This was a classic Liberal setup done by ProgressOhio  who has done many of these videos, including the infamous: He brought a gun to the townhall!  Only thing, they didn't pan up and show the guy in the SEIU shirt with the gun in his holster.  This video got passed along in its edited form to all the sheeple who sucked it up and said "Tea Partiers are coming armed!".  But if you notice, they didn't show the front of him, or record any of his words.  Duh.....  That's because he was an SEIU goon.  The shirt was purple by the way.  

Jennifer, really, you are too naive at times.
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Let's talk about being free of government:

I plan for my future.
Here is the gold fund I sunk 50% of my  401K in last year in April 09.  Bought XX shares at $36.  It sells a year later for $59 a share.  I made a killing.  A good return, like I said would be 5% for an average IRA/401K: I made 61% profit.

I don't need the government to suck 15% out of me for social security I can't use till I'm 69.  I think of all the money I lost there, when i could have invested it.  I'm disabled, Jennifer, at the age of 53, but I don't get Soc.Sec, or ask for it.  I'm too proud to, and I don't need to.  I pay my medical bills out of pocket, and live off the interest of my 401K plans.  While everyone else's 401k LOST 50% of its value, mine gained biggtime.  

  Government can kiss my ***.
http://www.google.com/finance?q=MUTF:TGLDX
p.s.: I wouldn't buy into this right now: the earnings have peaked for now, BUT
if Moody's downgrades the US Dollar below Triple-A rating, ALL gold and gold funds will be, like, uh...gold.   Make fun all you like of the gold commercials, but if you had invested in them a year ago, you would have DOUBLED your money by today.  I'm just sayin.....

Conservatives aren't as dumb as liberals think they are.

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     Maybe putting 50% of your returement into gold was a great idea, T-bear.  

     I'm not an investment guy.

     But the usual investment advice is to go for one third, one third, and one third, that being very liquid assets like cash or gold; conmservative assets, such as verty highly rated bonds or bank CDs;, and growth assets such as stocks.  As you get older, the more conservatively you want to play things.  

     Every six months, you are generally advised to re-evaluate and redistribute the assets to maintain the balance, cashing in and taking profits in some of the areas and making sure that you maintain a diversified portfolio.  I'm not about to argue with how well you've done with gold.  But using half you retirement to do it with is closer to gambling than it is to investing.  That has nothing to do with being conservative or liberal.

     Gold may be a great investment, but it's a part of a diversified portfolio, isn't it?

     I'll try having a closer look at the video.  I'll try having a closer look at the sign.  Frankly, with the way those folks were behaving though, I'm not sure I'd feel safe being on their side of the discussion with a camera.  And if the guy was sitting there as close to those folks as he was, he has a fair amount of courage near as I can tell.  I would have stood up and walked away more than a minute or two beforehand.

     Perhaps you have some video that shows the confrontation from the other perspective that you speak about that backs up your account and which wouldn't rely on my poor fading vision and the effects of the sun.  That would go a long way to supporting your account beyond your assertion, unless of course, you assert that you were there and were an eye witness to these events.  It's not that I think that left wing folk are always bastions of truth; I know better.  It's simply that I want more than unsupported assertions to make me change my mind.  You want the same, don't you?
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Jeff, Iíd really like to believe Iím very naive, that the video was a lie, that no one would treat another human the way that man was treated. Unfortunately I canít find any evidence that it was a set up. I really canít say for sure what the last line is, nor can I think of any words that would justify the verbal abuse hurled at that man for exercising his First Amendment Rights.

What was in that last line that was so offensive, deprived the man of his right to free speech and warranted the hatred screamed in his face?
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The last line reads:

That's Communism.


...still think this wasn't a setup?
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So the last two lines read

Thanks for helping
That's Communism?

Those lines justify verbally abusing, mocking, intimidating, and humiliating a person suffering from Parkinson's disease? Not in my America.

As I said before, I've seen no evidence it was a set up. If you have evidence that it was,why not show it?
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     Your assertion may be true about note abouyt Communism on the video, it may not. I haven't found it, and you say it's obscured.   Folks used to say you could see one of the little people hanging himself in The Wizard of Oz though I never saw that either.  I did ask the source for your information, and while you've offered more of the same sort of information, the source is still unidentified. Time?  Newsweek?  Washington Post?  Economist?  BBC?  CBC?  Christian Science Monitor?  Times of London? Jerusalem Post?

     Any publication could be correct, of course, though some tend to be more accurate historically than others.

     But the notion of "from each according to their ability and to each according to their need," roughly speaking, should not be thought of as being under exclusive Communist ownership, should it?  Marx, for all the gaudy fashion in which he turned his back on rteligion, was certainly influenced by it in this regard.  As in Judaism, the community has a responsibility to its membership.  Traditionally one of the highest obligations is the ransom of members from cap[tivity.  You can see this in some of the writings of Maimonides back in the 12th century, as he clarifies much of the earlier work in the talmud and midrash.  Sickness is not  all that different than a state of being held captive, I believe, in classical thought.

     Certainly, you'd have trouble denying support and succor to any member of a faith community within the classical Christian community.

     This is a contradiction that the modern conservative movement in the united states has trouble dealing with, in my opinion.  Perhaps wrongly, of course, since I am neither a Christian no a scholar of Christianity, merely an interested amateur.  But to claim that the community of faith has a right to impose law and obligation in one area ó abortion policy, for example ó and not another ó making sure that everybody is treated in a fashion that their health may be maintained at its best ó seems to be contradictory.  It needs to be rethought to be more consistant in itself.  

     As it stands, it seems consistant only to the comfort of the believer and not to the demands of the faith.

     My own thoughts are that we need to provide a basic level of care for all the folks in this country, and that failure to do so is economic silliness.  It undercuts our ability to be competitive with foreign products.

     If people are foolish enough to become upset when they hear that a basic level of this support is called "communism," then they are slaves to pavlovian responses.  They are the same people who are likely to line up with money in their hands to buy cars that are advertised as "sexy."  Or to burn books which may be advertised the same way.

     I don't particularly like the word "sheeple."  But it seems to me that these are exactly the folks who would line up to fill the bill, simply because they haven't allowed  themselves time to think things through for themselves.

     Who should I care who came up with a particular piece of the truth, or something that comes usefully close to it?  And why should I reject a piece of the truth simply because I don't like the person who says it, or the way that it's said.  I can think for myself and  put it in a way that fits more exactly.  If there are knee-jerk liberals, T-bear, and we both know that there are, then there are knee-jerk conservatives and knee-jerk partisans of every sort.  The problem isn't with the political point of view, it's with the knee-jerk reflexive reaction that goes with it.

     If I can't identify a decent conservative idea and make use of it, what kind of fool am I?  Civil Liberties, for example, shouldn't be either liberal or conservatrive; it should be human, and yet here we are in an era where Civil Liberties is identified as part of a Liberal Agenda.  And torture is regarded as a practical American conservative solution.  What kind of foolishness is that?
And the notion of folks having an obligation to take care of their neighbors is regarded as Liberal foolishness instead of basic human virtue.

     Here's a notion of basic frontier values for you, T-bear, let your friends and neighbors die because it'll cost extra money to help them survive.  The government already wants too much from us, so letting members of the community die is perfectly fine.  In fact, they need to prove that they have any right to my help before I'll even consider helping, because I have a deep down feeling that they don't really deserve to live.

     Thems the old fashioned American values this country was founded on, right?

     Perhaps some other America, but not the one that my ancestors came to.  
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My source is the Columbus Dispatch newspaper who originated the video.
I talked to their editor Andy Murphy,
and spent another half an hour on the phone with reporter: Diana Hill.

This video was stolen off their internet and reposted without their permission, edited to a 40 sec. blurb with a 14 second intro and extra (52 second total running legnth.)  They used 'jump cuts' which are omissions in the original film, cutting out most of their original footage.

I'm in communication with Breitbart right now as they check out some facts that I already checked out: who shot the film, who gave MSNBC, HuffPo and Daily Kos and others the right to air it edited (no-one), who did the original fact checking of the video (no-one); who did the followup interview with the Parkinsons' patient (no-one).

I know you are used to sourcing things from the Internet, but whenever I smell a rat, I use real journalism sources by calling them.  I am a journalist, after all, and I'd much rather hear the true story from the Editor himself, instead of some inflammatory post blogger writer.

The actual word on the plaque originally said:  That's community, but it was smeared somehow later when the film footage was made.  The man's name is Bob, and he's a former Navy engineer, yet he wears a hat that clearly reads:  Union  on it.  Beneath his torn jacket is the tell-tale purple shirt of the SEIU.  There was a followup interview done, I found out just now, and it was done by the same group that put out this 'hit piece.'  Nowhere in the interview is Bob asked what he thought about the altercation.  They also show the sign he held in pristene condition in a freeze frame to close the video.  He's a shill.  And it's despicable that OhioProgress used him to make their point.

In the original raw footage, available at the Columbus Dispatch website, is a slightly longer version with Doral Chenowith as the report from the Dispatch.  He wasn't in the office today, so I wasn't able to get him on the phone, but I have his phone number and will try again on Monday.  Bob, the Parkinson's guy, really does have Parkinsons.  That much is true.  In the raw footage, you also hear him same something about healthcare in Cuba, and that obviously set off the red meat in the crowd.  The Dispatch, to their discredit, did not do a followup.  
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Iím really not sure what youíre saying, Jeff. Are you saying the whole event was staged, that those werenít really Tea Party members?

Your claim was that it was a ďsetup done by ProgressOhioĒ. Did your sources agree with that claim?

I thought the Dispatch did the filming, are you saying they didnít?

What was edited? I did see a longer version, but that exact scene was included.

I certainly may have been had, but you havenít yet shown anything to convince me of that.

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Geez, that drives me nuts when you edit your post and add a lot to it after I've written a response to the original. Anyway-

OMG, now the poor guy's a SEIU goon.
The same group that put out the "hit piece".
The sign was smeared,etc.

No offense, but I'm not hearing the ring of truth, seems more like spin to me.


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OMG, I'm wearing a purple shirt! Actually, it's more like lavender. Does that make me a goon, too?
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quote:

I'm in communication with Breitbart right now as they check out some facts that I already checked out: who shot the film, who gave MSNBC, HuffPo and Daily Kos and others the right to air it edited (no-one), who did the original fact checking of the video (no-one); who did the followup interview with the Parkinsons' patient (no-one).

I know you are used to sourcing things from the Internet, but whenever I smell a rat, I use real journalism sources by calling them.  I am a journalist, after all, and I'd much rather hear the true story from the Editor himself, instead of some inflammatory post blogger writer.



     The Post Dispatch is a good paper.

      Your notion that I am used to sourcing things from the internet is an interesting one.  I try to be specific about my sourcing, and in addition to being specific, I generally try to be more right wing than left in my sources as a point of courteous

     Jennifer was clear about her source:  You may not have noticed.  Until this posting, you were not.  You seem to have skipped over this omission on your part and tagged me with that omission when I asked you about your source.  Should you wish to be credited for being scrupulous in your sourcing, and in your journalistic credentials, which I am clear you have, then you should be clear about the sources you offer and not continue to make unsourced assertions.  Nor should you try to shift blame for tardiness in doing so onto those who call you on it.  It is a more than legitimate request, as you should be well aware.  Nor should your journalistic credentials be grounds for failure to supply that information.  Even journalists with White House credentials have been known to have been misled from time to time, as you must know.

     There are copyright problems with the video, which nmeed to be sorted out.  Intellectual property is a very important issue, and I suspect both of agree upon how serious a violation of the law this can be.  We will also probably agree that this is something that happens frequently and gets ironed out unhappily and with minimal satisfaction in the courts afterwards.  

     Pardon me if I twit you with a provocative one word comment here ó  Capitalism!  It's not really to the point, it's simply silly.

     More to the point are the twin assertions you skip over in your commentary above.  You act as though these make no difference in the world, when in fact they render everything you've said entirely moot:  Nobody fact-checked the video.  Nobody did a followup on the patient sitting in front of the reasonably poorly behaving crowd.

     If nobody fact-checked the video and nobody interviewed the patient, what basis do you have for any of the assertions that you've made?  You have assumptions and conclusions on the basis of which which you have made assertions.  You have not checked these, and apparently nobody else has either, against any facts.

     Your aggressive and blaming posture here does not appear to have the solidity that you would claim for it without actual fact checking.  Is there someplace where it's possible to see the unedited video, so  other might make their own call on this?  I assume that it must be available someplace for other broadcasters and sources to make their own edited copies of the tape.

     If I actually see something that looks as though I've been misled, I'll be happy to say so.  I'm not thrilled to be manipulated by anybody, whether they're on my side of the political spectrum or not.  I find the practice repulsive.
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I just watched the videos showing Bob being interviewed about the incident. My heart goes out to the man. And as for those Tea Partiers who mocked and screamed at him and those who continue to attack him, they should hang their heads in shame.


And Jeff, it says Cornell on his cap. Iím pretty sure thatís not a union,

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No offense, Bob, but I'll give you my sources on MY time, not yours.
I have a phonecall in for the Dispatch Night Editor to call me, which he should do in the next hour or so.  You guys were pressing me for sources BEFORE i checked them out.  I still need to get ahold of OhioProgress, but they're not in till Monday.  I'll talk to them then, along with a followup phone call back to the Day Editor.

The Union   hat is the hat he is wearing while facing the crowd in the street.  Clear as day in the raw footage.  

more as I get information on it.  Developing, and i am writing an article on it as we speak.  I'm also going to press the reporter for access to Bob if possible.  ProgressOhio may have paid him for the interview since they put the interview with him on their website with their logo on it.
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I hope someone did pay him for the interviews. Parkinsonís meds cost an arm and a leg and the side effects of many of them are something none of us would want to live with day after day.

I honesty donít understand why you want to continue to vilify the man after finding out how ill he really is. It took a lot of courage for him to face that mob, and he faced them with dignity and composure. A hero in my book.

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I just got off the phone with both the editor and reporter.  Spent about an hour with each.   I know you don't want to hear this, but I'll let you know the results after i write the article with the interview with Doral Chenowith, the man who shot the video.  He is a free lance website videophotog that was hired by the Dispatch to cover this event.  This video has been announced and mentioned on the Congressional floor by Kilroy today, so there's even more importance than ever to get this story straight since it is now a part of the permanent Congressional Record.

I'm waiting now for the Editor to talk to the videographer   the editor said it didn't pass his smell test either.  There's more research I need to do on ProgressOhio before finishing the article.  

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Forgot to mention that the reporter said he
-didn't do any followup interview
- didn't give permission for his video to be aired (except for the Dispatch web)
- didn't fact check anything in it, including the guy he interviewed (unforgivable)
- didn't see the first few minutes of the altercation at all, so he had no idea what the context of the situation was at all.  
- admitted to the jump cuts, and edits, but said he didn't do anything to intentionally obscure the sign.  He is going to put the two video's side by side (UTUBE viral video vs. his raw footage).
- basically he pointed the camera, did the voice over and didn't do anything else
- this is a 'web video' for the Dispatch web site only, not a news story in itself, although it has become a news story.
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Here's a tip before I sign off on this thread - if you're really looking for a story, go after the AFP guy who heckled and screamed at Bob, the man with Parkinson's.
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     But T-Bear, I am offended.  Your sources should appear with your assertions, and not scattershot, catch-as-catch-can, afterward, if and when you can find them.  Your offended dignity is not something that I would choose to afflict you with, but you keep sticking your chin out further and further.  I am trying to be polite about this, but being brusque with me about about you not having your ducks in a row when you originally made your assertions is not my responsibility; it is yours.

     If you weren't in hurry to make insinuations that you could not back up at the time you made them, then the thing to do is to wait until you have your proof in hand.  To fault me because you made accusations you can't prove is getting things a bit backwards, isn't it?  You're trying to tell me I rushing you when you've made smears against several folks that you think I should let stand while you grope about for proof that may or may not be there.  Apparently you don't have much sensitivity about the reputations of the other parties involved and a great deal of sensitivity about yours.

     If I am misreading this, please accept my apologies, here, but you've said that you have no proof that your allegations are correct, haven't you?  That there was no fact-checking at all?

     Far from not noticing these things as you suggest in your post just above, if you'll notice my posting # 15, the last 3-5 paragraphs of it, you'll see that I bring up that issue specifically.  I'm glad that you're writing an article about the business, and I hope that you make some free-lance money from it ó always welcome.  But suggesting that your assertions should come before your sources and that you should not be held accountable for having those sources and for their accuracy is not to my mind a claim that a journalist has a right to make of any reasonable consumer of news.  

     If you can tell me that you're interviewing the editor, then you're telling me that you're doing the thing now that you should have done before you made the assertions in the first place:  You're getting your facts straight.  It's not me that rushing you.  You're rushing to catch up with your urge to issue statements before you have the factual ground to stand on.

     You may turn out to be correct.  I have no idea how the actual events and how the actual information will play out.  The point is that it's reasonably clear that you don't either at this point, and that this didn't stop you from making assumptions about the guy, the angry sounding crowd, and everybody's motivations.

     We can both agree that the folks who used the feed without permission were probably in the wrong.  I commented on this as well, above.  I have no idea what can be said in the Congressional Record with the state of the information in the shape it is in now.  I'm nervous about looking.

     And even if the guy is wearing a union hat, you write that as though it has some significance that I am supposed to understand.  What is that?  Do you have some sort of problem with working class folks or somke sort of stereotype of union members?  You were a union member, so you know for sure that not all union members like them, and that some union members really depend on the union for basic protections.  What's the deal with this guy wearing a union hat for you, anyway?
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23 posted 03-20-2010 04:37 AM       View Profile for Ron   Email Ron   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Ron's Home Page   View IP for Ron

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There's more research I need to do on ProgressOhio before finishing the article.
I'm curious why we don't get the same courtesy?

Getting off the phone with some guy you know doesn't greatly impress me as a valid source. The article, when you get it published, well might. Feel absolutely free to give us your sources on YOUR time, not ours. And we will continue to lend credibility to your posts in similar fashion?


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24 posted 03-20-2010 04:48 AM       View Profile for Grinch   Email Grinch   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Grinch

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The video is a lie.

research it.  Read what his sign said.  The cameraman made great points to shoot behind the man so you couldn't read it.  Also, they blurred the words they didn't want you to see.  BUT they failed in the HuffPo to tell you what the LAST LINE SAID!  I'm not going to give it away.  You have to look for yourself.  You can just barely see it, but the video glare (intentional) blurs the last word.


According to Mr. Letcher Ė the bloke who wrote it - the sign read:

"Got Parkinson's?" I Do and You Might. Thanks for helping! That's community!"

Of course he could be lying but Iím willing to believe him because at the end of the day I donít think it matters, you see I canít for the life of me think of anything that he could have written that would excuse the abuse he faced.

He also said that he thought the group that hurled abuse at him probably werenít a true representation of health care reform protesters.

Iím willing to believe that too but itíd be a whole lot easier if some folk stopped trying to defend the indefensible and admit that the wingnuts in the video were out of line.

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