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The anticipation is that the inclusion of an addition 32,000,000 folks into the market should reduce premiums overall, so that the premiums should fall by 2014 to a more affordable level.  I'm not sure I find this creditable, myself, this last part.

Nor should you, Bob. There was an insurance employee on the radio yesterday shedding a lot of light on the bill. According to her, the insurance companies will now have to return 85% back in claims of the premiums they collect, up from the 60%  currently in use. Out of the remaining 15% comes the salaries, operating expenses, equipment and all other standard expenses. In addition, there will be more taxes sue to the bill tht will also come from that 15%. She doesn't expect insurance companies to survive more than 2-3 years.

As far as premiums, all group policies are contracted every January 1st. When next January comes they will have to raise premiums 200-300 percent to survive. At that time they fully expect another atttack from Obama, like "Look at what those evil insurance companies are doing now. They are trying to rape you!" or something to that effect. Democrats are fortunate that the rates can't be raised until then, as far as the November elections are concerned.
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Nor should you, Bob. There was an insurance employee on the radio yesterday shedding a lot of light on the bill. According to her, the insurance companies will now have to return 85% back in claims of the premiums they collect, up from the 60%  currently in use. Out of the remaining 15% comes the salaries, operating expenses, equipment and all other standard expenses. In addition, there will be more taxes sue to the bill tht will also come from that 15%. She doesn't expect insurance companies to survive more than 2-3 years.

As far as premiums, all group policies are contracted every January 1st. When next January comes they will have to raise premiums 200-300 percent to survive. At that time they fully expect another atttack from Obama, like "Look at what those evil insurance companies are doing now. They are trying to rape you!" or something to that effect. Democrats are fortunate that the rates can't be raised until then, as far as the November elections are concerned.



     Let's see here, Mike.  

     Current premium costs are covered with 60% payout.  The future costs, which are greater — they say — than the current costs will be covered by 15 percent of the new income.  That 15% will certainly be larger than what they're making now, before the 32,000,000 new prisoners get shipped in, wouldn't it?   And the rest of their increased costs will be covered by that.  

     How that sounds to me that their current profits, at 60% plus — lets figure an additional 20% overhead instead of that 15% that they figure will be ruinous for them in the future, leaves them with what sounds like a 20% profit in the here and now, doesn't it?  

     And weren't these the same folks who were telling you just a few weeks ago that all they made was 2.2% per year?

     At exactly what point did you decide that the insurance companies were reliable reporters about their own situation?  They made the deal with President Obama, and you might have notice that, although they did put up a fight, it was not as tough a fight as it might have been.  Do you really believe that they're telling you the truth now, or do you think that it's just their way of opening up negotiations for the January rate hike sweepstakes?

     My money is on the latter.

     A 200-300 percent rate hike just to keep their heads above water?

     And the camel will only put the very tippy tip of its nose under your tent.

     Best get out your camel repellant spray, Mike, and make sure you look all doey-eyed when you urge your fellow Republicans to give till it hurts.  The insurance companies appreciate your helpful support.
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Thanks for the lesson, Bob. It won't happen again.
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     Doesn't mean your wrong, Mike; it's simply a very cynical take on it by me.  I've said what doesn't feel right, and why.  But it's got to be your consideration, you know?
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The Right-Wingers Who Cried Wolf

Listening to right-wing talk radio on the day after Congress passed health care reform, Bill O’Reilly was stunned. To him, the hosts and the callers sounded “crazed” as they shrieked about “the end of the world, we’re socialist now, we have to take the country back.” Maybe the Fox News host hasn’t been listening, but there has been plenty of crazy in the air now for many months on his network and elsewhere on the airwaves.

Going too far for O’Reilly is going very far indeed, but the madness of the conservative reaction has yet to abate. His friend and colleague Glenn Beck declared that health care reform means “the end of prosperity in America forever ... the end of America as you know it.”

Bill Hemmer, another Fox host who probably needs medication, has suggested that the legislation will send Americans who don’t have health insurance to prison. The Washington Times editorial page compared the bill to the Black Death, and The Drudge Report put up a headline suggesting that its passage is the equivalent of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor.


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MY comment doesn't mean I think my thoughts are wrong, Bob, simply that it was a mistake presenting it to you for rational thought, with no sarcasm involved, hoping for a decent discussion of it. We learn from our mistakes.
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     And how does that last barb help the discussion along, Mike?

     If you have some difficulty with my reasoning, lay it out.  I have no desire to be swiped at for what appears to be the pure fun of it.  Suggesting there's a flaw in me doesn't cut it;  I'm constructed entirely of flaws, and I'm unsurprised to be told so.  That somebody would not comment on the reasoning and focus entirely on my flaws
suggests they have missed the point of a reasonable discussion.

     "So's yer Mama!" doesn't address a thing I actually said, which I clearly acknowledged was a far from perfect response.  I'll say so again, if it helps, but suggesting that I said nothing that didn't address your comments, and that it wasn't cogent is simply not true.
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CNN claims the current bill includes a 10% tax on indoor tanning services (that replaced the 5% "BOTAX" surcharge).
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Best get out your camel repellant spray, Mike, and make sure you look all doey-eyed when you urge your fellow Republicans to give till it hurts.  The insurance companies appreciate your helpful support.

THAT, I suppose, is supposed to help the discussion along?

I tried to give a report as to what an insurance accountant had to say but, to you, if it comes from an insurance employee it must be a lie, as if they could not possibly give some actual facts. I should have known that any disciple of Obama's "evil insurance empire" classes would naturally feel that way,  reflexively and without thought.

It was not the insurance companies who claimed to make 2-4% last year...it was Wall Street and the good folks who keep those records. WHen you make 4% in profits and have another 15% of expenses coming in, it doesn't take a Rhodes scholar to do the math that indicates a major problem on the horizon.

At any rate, the point will be made in January and we'll see how it plays out. If the insurance companies are forced to come out with big increases, that will prove one point. If Obama then screams that the insurance companies are raping the public, that will prove another.

You did not think about the math, nor did you waste any time at all on giving any credence to what they had to say. For that reason, I wasted my time....but, then, I waste it a lot so it's no big loss
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Uh-oh. Another surprise icebox. So much for ironclad promises.

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Just two days before the crucial House vote, at his nationally televised pep rally for the bill, President Obama promised: “Starting this year, insurance companies will be banned forever from denying coverage to children with pre-existing conditions.”

Meeting with House Democrats the next day, he forcefully reiterated the claim:

“This year … parents who are worried about getting coverage for their children with pre-existing conditions now are assured that insurance companies have to give them coverage — this year.”

You’ll recall that, on March 10, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi announced:

“We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it.”

It seems even the president had to wait until after passage to find out what was really in the bill. Turns out, some kids with pre-existing conditions will have to wait, too. Another four years. The iron-clad guarantee of coverage won’t kick in until then.

Notes the Associated Press: “Full protection for children would not come until 2014, said Kate Cyrul, a spokeswoman for the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee…. That’s the same year when insurance companies could no longer deny coverage to any person on account of health problems.”

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The president also said the bill will save money by requiring only one test by the doctor "not five tests." But what if the first test doesn't reveal the nature of an illness? Suppose a cancer is hiding in one organ and the test is for cancer in another organ? A second (or fifth) test might reveal the location of the disease, but under Obamacare, a government bureaucrat will allow just one test.

The president promised again "you can keep your doctor." But the doctor might retire because he or she can't afford to accept reduced fees mandated by government while paying ever-increasing premiums for malpractice insurance to protect him or her from lawsuits, which, by the way, is another reason so many tests are ordered.

http://townhall.com/columnists/CalThomas/2010/03/23/b-a-l-o-n-e-y!?page=1
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The scene outside Rep. Weiner's office today

Officers stand next to a HAZMAT truck outside the office of Representative Anthony Weiner after the discovery of a letter which contained an unidentified white powder, in Queens, New York March 25, 2010. The FBI and police are investigating attacks and threats against Democratic members of Congress who voted for healthcare reform, and a senior House of Representatives Democrat said on Wednesday his colleagues are at risk. Weiner voted in favor of the legislation.
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Tea Party Patriots: First and foremost, Tea Party Patriots has a zero tolerance policy against violence or bigotry from Democrats, Republicans or Independents, and expects this standard to be applied equally to all. The values of Tea Party Patriots are clearly opposed to those who choose this path. By the same token, public anger at Congress is legitimate and warranted. Congress is not listening to the American people and their complaints. Sadly today, the majority in Congress continue to ignore and downplay the clearly expressed feelings of the majority of the American people. According to a CBS poll on March 24th, a full 62% of the American public wants this bill challenged. It is time for Congress to listen to the American people and act accordingly. Meanwhile, Tea Party Patriots will continue to provide constructive means for the American people to make their voices heard.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20001117-503544.html
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Package With White Powder Sent To Congressman Weiner

“The latest in a string of threats”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MortW98VCiM

Threats, intimidation, inciting violence, racial and homophobic slurs - zero tolerance? Not hardly, especially when one of the tea party terrorists, one who called for "dropping by" at a congressman's home is invited to speak at the April 19th Open Carry.
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     The only way to get worry under control is to let it work itself out against the unfolding of experience, sometimes.  These seem legitimate worries, same as most folks would have in the facing of a new situation where the edges of things aren't clear yet.  I feel some of them myself.  Some will be baseless, some won't be, and we'll have to work on fixes for those as we go.  A little bit at a time.

     There are days when it feels to me personally like using the phone book is insurmountable, but that isn't always the reality of the situation.  You just have to walk through these changes, a step at a time.  Nobody said you had to be thrilled about them; the thrill is optional.

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     Denise, what is this post # 39?

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     Tea Party Patriots has a zero tolerance policy against violence or bigotry from Democrats, Republicans or Independents, and expects this standard to be applied equally to all. The values of Tea Party Patriots are clearly opposed to those who choose this path. By the same token, public anger at Congress is legitimate and warranted.



     It appears that the statement says that Tea Party Patriots has no tolerance for bigotry or violence from just about everybody else in the country, and that  it expects everybody to uphold that standard.

     It appears that Tea Party Patriots exempt themselves from this, simply from the grammar of the statement, while it holds everybody else to the standard.  Is the statement incoherent or simply a statement putting themselves above everybody else in the nation, not obligated to a standard that they feel lesser beings need to honor?  

     It is by no means clear from this statement that Tea Party Patriots, whomever they may be, are clear about anything.  And the path that they are speaking about is gramatically unclear as well.  

     If the statement is meant to clarify anything, it only clarifies that whoever wrote the statement cannot speak clear enough English to make their meaning understood.  It also appears that their grasp of civics is nebulous, and that they have not understood why  Senators are elected to six year terms, and why the executive is elected for a four year term — specifically to isolate them from the sort of rule by contagion that the radical right is trying to jam down the throats of the country right now.  If there is a populatity contest, it's in the House, and the effects of the passage of the Insurance bill have not shown themselves clearly to affect that election at this point, even though the bill is currently unpopular.

     Just because it is unpopular now doesn't mean that it will be in November.  Nor does it mean that it will even be vital to the November election.  Maybe, maybe not; but I believe that the echoes of the old Clinton campaign saying may have much more weight.  "It's the Economy, Stupid!"
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*shakes head*

Unbelievable. Is Organizing for America working overtime?

Bob, if you have a problem with their grammar, drop them a line and tell them so. I was able to comprehend that they include themselves in the Democratic, Republican and Indpenedent comment, and then of course in the 'all' comment.

Here's a ringing endorsement of the new healthcare law......from Fidel Castro! Doesn't that make you feel all warm and fuzzy?!!
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Cuban-leader-applauds-US-apf-124808403.html?x=0&.v=1
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Number of deaths of infants under one year old in a given year per 1,000 live births in the same year; included is the total death rate, and deaths by sex, male and female. This rate is often used as an indicator of the level of health in a country

180 United States 6.22 2009 est.  
181 Northern Mariana Islands 6.00 2009 est.  
182 Cuba 5.82 2009 est.  
183 European Union 5.72 2009 est.  
184 San Marino 5.53 2009 est.  
185 Italy 5.51 2009 est.  
186 Isle of Man 5.37 2009 est.  
187 Taiwan 5.35 2009 est.  
188 Greece 5.16 2009 est.  
189 Ireland 5.05 2009 est.  
190 Canada 5.04 2009 est.  
191 Wallis and Futuna 5.02 2009 est.  
192 Monaco 5.00 2009 est.  
193 New Zealand 4.92 2009 est.  
194 United Kingdom 4.85 2009 est.  
195 Portugal 4.78 2009 est.  
196 Australia 4.75 2009 est.  
197 Jersey 4.73 2009 est.  
198 Netherlands 4.73 2009 est.  
199 Luxembourg 4.56 2009 est.  
200 Belgium 4.44 2009 est.  
201 Guernsey 4.43 2009 est.  
202 Austria 4.42 2009 est.  
203 Denmark 4.34 2009 est.  
204 Korea, South 4.26 2009 est.  
205 Liechtenstein 4.25 2009 est.  
206 Slovenia 4.25 2009 est.  
207 Israel 4.22 2009 est.  
208 Spain 4.21 2009 est.  
209 Switzerland 4.18 2009 est.  
210 Germany 3.99 2009 est.  
211 Czech Republic 3.79 2009 est.  
212 Andorra 3.76 2009 est.  
213 Malta 3.75 2009 est.  
214 Norway 3.58 2009 est.  
215 Anguilla 3.52 2009 est.  
216 Finland 3.47 2009 est.  
217 France 3.33 2009 est.  
218 Iceland 3.23 2009 est.  
219 Macau 3.22 2009 est.  
220 Hong Kong 2.92 2009 est.  
221 Japan 2.79 2009 est.  
222 Sweden 2.75 2009 est.  
223 Bermuda 2.46 2009 est.  
224 Singapore 2.31 2009 est
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from Democrats, Republicans or Independents

...and you think they don't include themselves?

And the path that they are speaking about is gramatically unclear as well.  

I'd like to see the areas of their statement you consider grammatically incorrect. (By the way, you misspelled grammatically)
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A prime example of compassionate conservatism, ignore the infant mortality rate here in the US and point out spelling errors instead.


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     No, I believe it's an example of Compassionate Conservatism at its absolute finest.  The Grammatical mistake had to do with the unclear refferent, Mike, as I pointed out in my original comment, and with the unclear preposition.  I also pointed that out.  I'm sorry that my spelling mistake bothered you.  I notice yours usually don't, but that may be because I usually manage to be able to read the word you intended through the error.  If you need me to start posting a list oif your errors in retaliation, I respectfully decline the invitation your invitation.  I'm a poor speller, have been all my life, and I usually depend on spell check.  I should have used it this time as well.

     Using the occasional incorrect pronoun can be exceedingly confusing for your readers and is a grammatical error.  It leads to  imprecise and misleading communication.  Clarity in refferents is also important and is a grammatical point that needs to be considered in clear writing as well.  In the case of the statement above, errors like make the actual text shoddy.  

     The fact that it may be read one way by people who from the beginning are sympathetic with the folks making the statement, such as Denise, doesn't mean that folks who are neutral or hostile to the folks making the statement — and I am neutral verging on hostile because of the content of much of the recent Tea Party rhetoric about the left and about the President — do not automatically read the text the same way.

     Part of my training in terms of listening to people and understanding the meanings of what say causes me to focus not only on what people would like you to understand from what they say, but the actual literal text and words they use.  This is often a much clearer indication of some of the things that they are thinking and are, quite literally, saying.  Not what they'd rather you understood from what they're saying.  It's often not a matter of either/or, to be fair; it's frequently a matter of both meanings at once.  Given a chance, people will generally say exactly what they mean, as is the case with the statement that Denise quotes.

     No, Denise, I have no intention of dropping them a line to tell them so.  Why would I.  You're the one who brought the statement to the table out of all the other possible statements you could have chosen.  If you didn't mean to quote it, it was certainly a large accident.  Since you did, I'm dropping the line to you, since you chose it, presumably as a reflection of your thinking unless you tell me otherwise.  You haven't done so yet.

    

    

  
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Interesting, revealing video. They don't even know what they voted for:
http://video.foxnews.com/v/4124789/obama-zombies?category_id=86858
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Jennifer, do you consider yourself a good representative of compassionate liberalism, if there is such a thing? I certainly hope so.

No, Bob, your spelling mistake doesn't bother me at all. I simply found it a little ironic that you would misspell grammatical while criticizing the grammar of others.
 
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