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Huan Yi
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150 posted 02-19-2010 12:35 PM       View Profile for Huan Yi   Email Huan Yi   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Huan Yi

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"This is a message to the whole world about those responsible for climate change and its repercussions – whether intentionally or unintentionally - and about the action we must take,"

George Bush junior, preceded by congress, dismissed the [Kyoto Protocol] agreement to placate giant corporations. And they are themselves standing behind speculation, monopoly and soaring living costs."

http://afghanistan.blogs.cnn.com/2010/01/29/report-new-bin-laden-tape-blames-u-s-for-climate-change/


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     Once again, John, the raw blast of anger in your message is very clear.  Exactly what it is about and where it is directed and what it means is simply not.

     Were you to post a large blob of Red and the word RAGE in the middle of it and arrows directed towards another blob saying "self-identified enemies of America" I would get the approximate same message.

     Most of the time I'd be able to send you back a card with instructions as to the place you might be able to put me on that diagram as well:  Pretty much on your general side of things, but really rteally wanting a better pair of glasses so I could get a clearer view of the landscape.  I like to have a better understanding of what I agree with and what I'm putting my energy into.

     The Saudis are selling a lot of that oil that helps cause a lot of that global warming.  So what that Osama may be  right about us helping cause a lot of of it.  The issue at this point is what do we do to stop it and to turn the process around as much as possible.  Guilt can be a very useful motivator.  It needs to be distinguished from shame, which tends to be thought of as not something which can be dealt with and addressed, but something which is part of a person's identity, and which they feel helpless to deal with.  It tends to make people sag and collapse.  Guilt offers options and motivations to the person who feels it in terms of adressing the things about which they feel guilty.  I polluted the earth, I can work hard to clean it up and leave it better than the way I found it.  I have shamed myself, my who sense of personhood is changed forever and I will be forever somebody who did X.

     If you're Saint Peter, you can say to yourself, "I told them I never heard of the Man three times in one night on the One Night when I felt it Most Mattered to God and The World."  That would be difficult for Saint Peter to tolerate, and would be something he would be ashamed of for the rest of his life.  

     There's nothing absolute about shame, mind you.  You might have forgiven Saint Peter.  If you'd have been Saint Peter, you might have only had Guilt to deal with, but you and Saint Peter may have been built differently.  Jesus forgave him in advance.  As far as Jesus was concerned, it wasn't a thing to be ashamed about.  It could be forgiven.  I've forgiven worse — from my lights — and not forgiven less — the same.  I'm different again.

     Osama is a dork and his point of view is not yours for the most part, except for the part where he's inflexible about blame and forgiveness.  Who and what you blame and forgive may be different, but the two are you have that lack of flerxability in common, I think.

     So what does his though and feeling about global warming have to do with yours?  If he says Green, does that mean that you're right off obligated to disagree with him about the subject?  Or does that mean that you're right off obligated to agree with him about the rigidity of the style of thinking?

     Whichever it is, or whether it's neither, you won't know unless you actually lay out what your own thinking on the matter is.  At that point, it doesn't really matter what Osama says or what The National Review says.  What you have to say is usually more interesting anyway, even when I don't agree with it.

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“After all, the biofuel scam that is one of many disfiguring spin-offs from the “global warming” scare — driven by the poisonous clique of mad scientists whom Nature so uncritically defends — has taken millions of acres of farmland away from growing food for people who need it and towards growing biofuels for clunkers that don’t. Result: a doubling of world food prices, mass starvation, and death, leading to food riots in a dozen major regions of the globe.

You won’t have seen much about these riots in the Western news media: they are too busy reporting on every putative icicle putatively dribbling in putatively melting Greenland.”

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/climategate-once-respected-nature-n ow-staffed-by-moaning-ninnies/?singlepage=true


“Result: a doubling of world food prices, mass starvation, and death, leading to food riots in a dozen major regions of the globe.”


That deserves repeating.

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This is an interesting point John.  

However, in the end it is all about the united states having power crap.

Bin Ladin is using (like always) the same plot as Hitler did.  "The US has money and power, because they have done something wrong to everyone else. rise up against the US... bla bla bla"

In fact you could probably take what ever Bin ladin says ans replace "US" with "JEw" and "Islam will take over the world" with "third rank will take over the world" and you will notice very close resemblances.  

I swear some one should do a hitler binladen comparison on youtube. creepy similiar.

-Juju  

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     The annoying Mr. Monckton appears again.  The first of these citations takes Mr. Monckton's claims to making reasoned argument on directly.  He apparently tends to fabricate his data, including what he says about Mr. Gore.

     The next two simply go on a bit.

     Apparently he buffs everything he says a great deal and claims that it's all Shinola.  A judicious sniff and a closer examination reveals this not to be the case.
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Food riots were in the news; that much I remember . . .

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Food riots were in the news; that much I remember . .


They were indeed, and they will be again, but claiming that the rising cost of food was a direct result of a move towards biofuel production is a bit of a stretch. It was certainly a contributing factor but a minor one in my opinion and, probably more importantly, an easily reversed factor. Ironically the reduction of food production due to climate anomalies in major food producing countries – particularly Australia the second biggest wheat exporter – have had a far bigger impact.

The good news is that food prices, like oil prices, plummeted in 2009 thanks to the global economic crisis. There’s a silver lining if ever I saw one – unfortunately once the economy starts to recover the shinola will once again hit the fan.


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157 posted 03-17-2010 04:43 PM       View Profile for Juju   Email Juju   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Juju's Home Page   View IP for Juju

Yeah... There is and was food riots.  

And al Gore aint a saint.

-Juju

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Who thinks really deep thoughts
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Yeah... There is and was food riots.  

And al Gore aint a saint.

-Juju

-"So you found a girl
Who thinks really deep thoughts
What's so amazing about really deep thoughts " Silent all these Years, Tori Amos

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     Theology wasn't your intention in the discussion, though, was it, Juju?  If it was, I never would have passed the entrance.  

     I think John may be right about the cost effectiveness of ETOH from corn at this point, though I'm reasonably sure that it doesn't cut into the grain export markets for food.  It's simply an expensive way of making gas right now.  It may not be if the price of gas goes up again; I don't know.

     What are your thoughts?
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Hehehehehe

Would any of us?

-Juju

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